Dermacrine - The Perfect Winter Supplement
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johnyq
Active member
I wish there was more feedback around here about your products. But I jumped in and ordered one of each.
I've wanted to give sustain a run for a long time, but I figured what the hell, and will try each one out. Once my log for diesel nut ends, I'll put one up for dermacrine.
I've wanted to give sustain a run for a long time, but I figured what the hell, and will try each one out. Once my log for diesel nut ends, I'll put one up for dermacrine.
Eric Potratz
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davidcyt
Member
I have a question regarding to apply direction. i usually do cardio in the morning and i sweat a lot, my shirts are always like soak in water when i finish cardio.
If i apply sustain when i wake up will that influence the effect?
From i wake up to doing cardio is about 1hr.
Thanks Pp
If i apply sustain when i wake up will that influence the effect?
From i wake up to doing cardio is about 1hr.
Thanks Pp
Eric Potratz
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davidcyt
Member
Thanks for the answer. I read from your website, someone get insomia even apply at 7:30 AM is that possible?
Highlanda01602
Well-known member
PP,
How would you compare Dermacrine to transdermal Formestane? To the best of my knowledge, Dermacrine seems to be more effective when addressing direct recomposition through increased test, while Formestane is more geared towards estrogen control, in tern relating to increased test levels.
For simplicity, which product would you say has a better impact on recovery and muscle composition? I train with a lot of running and crossfit, and I'm about to give Formestane + Activate Xtreme a go. Would I be better suited with Dermacrine + Activate Xtreme?
How would you compare Dermacrine to transdermal Formestane? To the best of my knowledge, Dermacrine seems to be more effective when addressing direct recomposition through increased test, while Formestane is more geared towards estrogen control, in tern relating to increased test levels.
For simplicity, which product would you say has a better impact on recovery and muscle composition? I train with a lot of running and crossfit, and I'm about to give Formestane + Activate Xtreme a go. Would I be better suited with Dermacrine + Activate Xtreme?
Eric Potratz
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This is very rare... especially if you have some kind of weight lifting regimen or physical activity you participating in. Most men actually find themselves sleeping better while on Dermacrine.
-Pp
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
Formestane and Dermacrine are quite different products for different uses, as you pointed out. Formestane is too strong of an anti-estrogen IMO which will likely end up hurting athletic performance (glycogen metabolism) and making athletes more injury prone from the negative effect on joints by estrogen deprivation.
Dermacrine keeps estrogen in a normal range which is desirable for the athlete and it keeps the anabolic and androgenic hormones high that help an athlete maintain aggressive mental focus and fast muscle repair & recovery. It probably beats many steroids for its endurance and athletic performance enhancing abilities without weighing a user down with excessive bodyweight. (ie. excessive sodium/water/glycogen retention)
-Pp
davidcyt
Member
You mean someone on Sustain sleeping better right?
i just purchased Sustain two mins ago...haha
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
Opps, thought you were talking about Dermacrine...but either way you should be fine on Sustain. Some guys notice a "rush" or feeling of excitement after putting on the Sustain so that might be a reason to only put the product on in the morning.... but this feeling may be totally psychological.
-Pp
slowprogress
Member
Could you take a peek in your forum please primordial performance 
Got some q's there.
Got some q's there.deadlifter25
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Right now i am running a stack of trans formestane with diesel test hardcore and trib test extreme...and im loving it btw! Once my form runs out i was thinking about using one of your products as a sort of pct. Mainly because im loving the libido boost right now and i dont want a repound effect from coming off of these products. Doi you think Sustain or regular Dermacrine would be a good option for me?
Highlanda01602
Well-known member
As a tac-on question to deadlifter's question, who is stacking Form/DTHC/Tribulus - What if he were to sub the Form for Dermacrine? Would Dermacrine stacked with a booster such as DTHC or Activate Xtreme be advisable?
Eric Potratz
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Eric Potratz
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Travis
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Eric Potratz
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Yeah, I don’t see a problem using either product with Dermacrine, but I think other pro-hormone type products stack best with it. (activate extreme has a couple pro-hormones doesnt it?)
The DTHC seems like something that would stack better with the Sustain… for natural stimulation of testosterone.
-Pp
Highlanda01602
Well-known member
True, I hear ya on stacking it with other PH's (read some feedback here and there about how guys love the results/libido it brings to say, an Epidrol cycle), but I'm actually not into PH at the moment... a lighter version with minimal sides however, such as your Dermacrine, definitly interests me though.
Just for knowledge - no active PH's in activate xtreme (just a test boosting product, but regarded as one of the better ones out there). Diesel Test Hardcore competes with it, in a way.
So, if I were to stack Dermacrine (saving Sustain for a sudo-pct type deal afterwards) with something of no PH signifigance, such as an OTC test booster, is there anything I should avoid? I'm assuming no, but just thought I'd ask for clarification!
Eric Potratz
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Your right I think I had Activate confused with another product. So yes, your plan sounds solid!
-Pp
BoneDaddy
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I have Epistane, HDrol, and Havoc on hand as well as PheraPlex. Just from what I've read, Dermacrine would stack well with the Epistane, Havoc, or HDrol without being too suppresive, right? Would I be ok with Post Cycle Support by AI and Sustain with an NHA stack with either of those 3 stacks? I know I couldn't with the Phera as I have a serm for that already. Thoughts?
Eric Potratz
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It not so much what PH your taking as it is the length of time you are on that will determine the amount you are “shut down”. IMO, pro-hormones can be just as suppressive as AAS. (assuming the same half-life) For example, a non-aromatizing AAS would be just as suppressive as a non-aromatizing pro-hormone… just like a lightly aromatizing AAS like Boldenone is just as suppressive as some of the lighter pro-hormones on the market. It’s all relative and just because something is legal doesn’t mean it’s less suppressive.
So to answer your question, I think that you could run a combo of any of those products long as you kept the length of the cycle under 6 weeks. Sustain, perhaps combined with a typical SERM or T booster would be fine for PCT.
-Pp
BoneDaddy
Well-known member
Right, totally understand. I'm definitely sticking to 4 weeks for the most part and want to stay away from SERMS if possible due to fear of buying in light of recent events. I'm thinking of starting with HDrol stacked with Dermacrine, followed by PCT by AI and Sustain with a NHA stack. Thanks for the reply.
Botch
Active member
That sounds like a good stack, I'm sure you'll enjoy it and bounce back quick in PCT. I usually get lethargic on H-drol and the Dermacrine def. helps in that department.
BoneDaddy
Well-known member
Thanks for the reply bro. Did you have any recomp effect with HDrol or was it primarily mass? I think the Dermacrine and the Sustain should give me both with the HDrol? Did you dose @ 50mg or 75mg?
Botch
Active member
I was on a bulk w/ low body fat so no recomp but a gain of 7 lbs. The picture in my avatar is 3/4's of the way through my cycle so that should give you an idea of where I am at. I ran the H-drol at 50mg venturing to 75mg only a few days. If you are looking for a body recomp. then these products are perfectly suited to aid you in achieving that goal so long as your diet and training are in order first.
fatburner2007
Well-known member
Just came across Dermacrine and from what I have seen so far, it looks quite impressive.
Currently running Activate Xtreme, Alpha Drive XL, and Restore. Have surgery scheduled in late January, but already planning for the following stack to help jump start my workouts afterwards:
Dermacrine:
4 weeks
Dermacrine Sustain and Restore:
4 weeks
Anyone else done this type of cycle so far?
Currently running Activate Xtreme, Alpha Drive XL, and Restore. Have surgery scheduled in late January, but already planning for the following stack to help jump start my workouts afterwards:
Dermacrine:
4 weeks
Dermacrine Sustain and Restore:
4 weeks
Anyone else done this type of cycle so far?
Bering C
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I ran a 4 week Dermacrine, followed by sustained sustain. I am on my second botle of sustain and have tapered the dose down to just half the recomended dosage. I have had a better experience with sustain than dermacrine. The D wasn't bad mind you no real side effects to worry about for me but I had a better response to sustain. I have not updated my log recently but will try to get to it soon with some pics. My results have mainly been noticeable leaner especially around the very stubborn lower abb fat that I have never really been able to shed as well as a constant state of fullness. Probably at 41 a lower dose will provide good results since nat test is already diminished. Good stuff!
davidcyt
Member
thanks for the review
fatburner2007
Well-known member
How long are you planning on running Sustain for?
Curious why you didn't get better results with the Dermacrine compared to the Sustain? Did you combine the Dermacrine with anything else?
Curious why you didn't get better results with the Dermacrine compared to the Sustain? Did you combine the Dermacrine with anything else?
T-Bone
Banned
Without reading much of this thread I am going to respond to the part I underlined. I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. Pro-hormones are converted to steroids through enzymes in the body. So I see no real difference between the two besides the conversion.....
Eric Potratz
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Right, I think we are on the same page here…
I was basically saying all pro-hormones, pro-steroids, and steroids can essentially have the same potential to cause muscle growth and induce side effects. Just because something is a “pro-hormone” doesn’t mean it’s less effective or less suppressive than a “steroid”.
For example, 150mg/week of Testosterone is probably as suppressive as a regular 5 pump dose of Dermacrine. (ie a high enough dose of DHEA as a pro-hormone is as suppressive as testosterone as a steroid)
-Pp
evan
Member
I have commented before and will again, This is a top notch company, everything from good customer service(VERY knowledgeable when I asked questions on the phone), lightning fast shipping, and effective products, I have used all three of their transdermals, and they meet product claims(Increased leanness,libido, strength, and overall well being)
Just putting the word out because they do not sell(as of yet) to online stores, so they don't get the attention they deserve.
Just putting the word out because they do not sell(as of yet) to online stores, so they don't get the attention they deserve.
Bering C
Board Supporter
Dermacrine was solo as was Sustain. I can't really answer your question as to why sustain SEEMED to work better. I definitly got results with D. I have used PH in the past and whiile I have gotten good results I always seem to get the same or better with a product that increases test on a more natural level. Could be age related, I also have been running sustain for around 10 weeks now following 4 weeks of D so it could be just that long of elevated test levels. I might keep running sustain I have not decided yet. I can say that I feel great, have lots of energy and this time of year tends to be super busy for me with very long sesions of work sometimes lasting up to 48 hrs plus add to that the serious riding that will be happening as soon as we get some more snow, I think sustain will be a part of the staples now. My wife has had great results with Tea-3 and Derma and is now willing to put some pics up.
fatburner2007
Well-known member
I have to agree with you! :goodpost:
Accidentally came across this thread the other day and then checked out their website. Cannot wait for my Dermacrine and Dermacrine Sustain stack I am going to run in January. :thumbsup:
Accidentally came across this thread the other day and then checked out their website. Cannot wait for my Dermacrine and Dermacrine Sustain stack I am going to run in January. :thumbsup:
fatburner2007
Well-known member
Primordial Perf - How long is it recommended to run Sustain? Bering C seemed to indicate the longer he runs it, the better the results.
Eric Potratz
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Yes, Sustain can be a long-term supplement for overall health and hormonal optimization.
Whether or not testosterone continues to rise I couldn’t say, but resveratrol has a myriad of health benefits that are likely contributing to BeringC's good results. (increased cardiovascular health, insulin sensitivity, positive mitochondrial modulation, ect)
-Pp
Travis
Banned
PP, I have been meaning to ask you this but I thought at some point you mentioned Dermacrine stacked with another oral or whatever can act somewhat like HCG. Could you explain that a little more if I am recollecting that correctly?
I noticed when I used the Dermacrine with an oral only cycle testicular atrophy was much much less noticeable then without it. Maybe it was just luck though...
I noticed when I used the Dermacrine with an oral only cycle testicular atrophy was much much less noticeable then without it. Maybe it was just luck though...
Eric Potratz
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I don’t think any of our products can quite match up to hCG.
However, I did write an article for Meso about modulating AR binding with opioid antagonists to prevent suppression of LH from anabolic steroids but that was a totally different deal…
-Pp
DMac
New member
I can attest to this, I did a dermacrine cycle back in the spring when I was training for a submission wrestling tourney. The biggest thing I noticed (besides the libido increase) was stamina. I started passing up all the guys in my weight class in stamina and by the end of the 8 weeks we trained for I was beating guys who were better than me just because they would tire out faster.
fatburner2007
Well-known member
From what you have seen so far and along the lines of what BeringC indicated, is it more effective to just start with the Sustain instead of doing the Dermacrine for 4 weeks?
DMac
New member
I have read many Dermacrine logs, on here, Elite, and PP's website. I've also used Dermacrine and Sustain myself.
It seems like Dermacrine varies in strength depending on how your body reacts to the DHEA, but in general Dermacrine is the stronger product. If you want max gains I would say Dermacrine is your best bet. If you are afraid of PH products and you want the maximum natural Test production then just using Sustain is a better bet. For most people I would say 4 weeks of Dermacrine, then 4 weeks of Sustain for max gains, as opposed to 8 weeks of Sustain.
PP you agree?
Eric Potratz
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Yeah, I would say this is true.
I also think that Sustain tends to be a better product for overall health, libido and sexual performance, whereas Dermacrine tends to be better for increasing strength and gym performance because of its ability to push hormone levels past normal physiological levels. It’s a little more hardcore.
-Pp
fatburner2007
Well-known member
4 weeks of Dermacrine followed with Sustain then should be solid stack. :thumbsup:
Primordial Perf - Now the question is what is the best duration of using Sustain? Also, after the use of stack, should you take a break for several weeks before running Dermacrine again?
I am thinking of adding in Restore too when I start the Sustain.
Primordial Perf - Now the question is what is the best duration of using Sustain? Also, after the use of stack, should you take a break for several weeks before running Dermacrine again?
I am thinking of adding in Restore too when I start the Sustain.
Eric Potratz
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Yes I think taking slightly more time on Sustain than Dermacrine would be a good idea if you plan on cycling the two for a long time. This way you can be sure you’re not compromising your natural T production. (say 6 weeks sustain, then 4 weeks Dermacrine, ect)
-Pp
Eric Potratz
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Yes, from what I’ve heard an epistane and Dermacrine stack is great... I think the Dermacrine really compliments the epistane with its slightly more androgenic and estrogenic properties which would help lead to more muscular gains. I know guys have successfully ran Sustain as PCT for this stack too.
-Pp