What is wrong with ND

[machine528]

Seriously i am a ND fan, this year is absolutly lousy. Ive heard arguments that Charlie Weis is the reason they are so lousy. Ive heard people say its a lack of talent with the upperclassmen. Im looking for some other fan bases opinions

 

[Outside Backer]

hahahahaahha

notreshame hasnt been good in yrs

thank god a bcs bowl bid isnt being wasted this yr

10 yrs of losing in the bowls finally comes to an end for u guys look at the bright side lol

 

[jmh80]

Seriously i am a ND fan, this year is absolutly lousy. Ive heard arguments that Charlie Weis is the reason they are so lousy. Ive heard people say its a lack of talent with the upperclassmen. Im looking for some other fan bases opinions

I honestly have no idea. I'm a Miami fan - we aren't much better than you guys.

Look at it this way - at least your team didn't get DRUBBED 48-0 in the last game at their stadium (which they've won 3 national titles in) by Viginia of all teams.

I'll wallow in depression with you, my friend, even though I'm no ND fan. I feel pity for you guys - like I do for my Canes.


I'm not sure if it's Weiss or the players he's bringing in. Look at Clausen compared to some of the other frosh QB's - he doesn't get it yet. I wonder if ND has fallen into the Rivals/Scout recruiting phenomenon (I.E. they just go down the top 100 and start recruiting from there). Maybe they need to get players that fit their system.

The team isn't as talented this year though - after losing Quinn, Smarj-whatever, and Darius Walker. I'm not surprised ND is worse - am surprised they are this bad.

 

[Distilled Water]

hahahahaahha

notreshame hasnt been good in yrs

thank god a bcs bowl bid isnt being wasted this yr

10 yrs of losing in the bowls finally comes to an end for u guys look at the bright side lol

Thank You!!!! I have been saying that for years!!!!!!!!!!

They always are picked to be a top team in the nation then lose their 3-4 games on their easy schedule and get the crap kick'd outta them in the bowls.

The next team that needs to be kick'd off their hi-horse is Michigan

 

[AE14]

As an ND fan, I think the future is bright. They have a top 5 recruiting class, and Claussen will get better with time. Just gotta give Charlie a little more time to build Claussen and get more athletes in there

 

[AE14]

Thank You!!!! I have been saying that for years!!!!!!!!!!

They always are picked to be a top team in the nation then lose their 3-4 games on their easy schedule and get the crap kick'd outta them in the bowls.

The next team that needs to be kick'd off their hi-horse is Michigan

easy schedule? wow, you are not too familair with college football huh?

@ Penn St
@ Michigan
@ Purdue
v. BC
v. USC
v. Michigan St.
v. GTech

That is not easy by any stretch

 

[Distilled Water]

easy schedule? wow, you are not too familair with college football huh?

@ Penn St
@ Michigan
@ Purdue
v. BC
v. USC
v. Michigan St.
v. GTech

That is not easy by any stretch

All are 4 and 5 lose teams and the 2 or 3 lose teams have WEAK loses. They didn't even play these teams close this year.

When they went to the BCS a few years ago they had one win over a team that was .500 or better and it was navy who was like 7-5.

I'm a MSU fan so I know how it feels to lose, lol.

 

[machine528]

JMH, i agree with you about the rivals recruiting. ALot of the top recruits do not pan out depending on the system. My best friend is a Miami fan also. I think Miami will turn it around. They just need to get rid of the players that see the U as a free ticket to the NFL.

 

[jmh80]

JMH, i agree with you about the rivals recruiting. ALot of the top recruits do not pan out depending on the system. My best friend is a Miami fan also. I think Miami will turn it around. They just need to get rid of the players that see the U as a free ticket to the NFL.

Agree. We also have a lot of SOFT players we have to get rid off. Lots of deadweight.

I think Randy has set the tone - and the softies have pretty much quit. It's unbearable now - but absolutely the right move long term. We couldn't continue down the country club path Larry Coker laid out.

 

[Outside Backer]

easy schedule? wow, you are not too familair with college football huh?

@ Penn St
@ Michigan
@ Purdue
v. BC
v. USC
v. Michigan St.
v. GTech

That is not easy by any stretch

the only team there worth a **** is USC

scheuling army navy airforce coast guard and the citadel doesnt work either

 

[machine528]

Navy will never be off ND's schedule, during world war 2 all of ND's male students went to war and the school was about to go bankrupt. The only thing that saved them was Navy paying ND to send its cadets there. In return ND will always play Navy. I would love to see us replace Purdue and Boston college. Being from Pennsylvania i wish ND would play PSU every year and throw in an SEC school or 2. Instead of a flame fest on ND i was hoping to get some serious responses from other fan bases as to what the problem is. They are finally bringing talent back to the school and so far it doesnt seem to shine on the football field.

 

[jmh80]

You guys played Tennessee a few times. I watched the '99 game in Neyland.

I remember Julius Jones at that game - I watched him play in high school at Powell Valley, VA.
(Also his brother a few years earlier.)


Dunno man - I've got no clue how ND digs themselves out of this hole. Not totally sure how they ended up here. Not quite as clear cut as Randy Shannon at Miami - cut the dead weight.
I don't think Weiss has dead weight to cut out - these are mostly kids he recruited.

 

[Rogue Drone]

It's Charlie Weiss and ND's S & C.

He slots players to his NFL level scheme, not schemes to his Collegiate players, their talents.

Ever notice how few successful college coaches do well in the NFL and the opposite is also true?

To use a military comparison - The NFl is like the Army Rangers, College is like Recruits - Rangers are killer dedicated fulltime professionals that do things clean without excess feel clinically by the numbers, recruits are emotionally variable raw athletic talent that need to be skilled molded and physically developed to a system, commanders/coaching requirements are very different, the NFL is employing specialists in statistical defined probability situations, College is about finding leaders and talent to get the gangs, the units, motivated to follow their individual assignments.

It takes a very different day to day management style and substance for someone to be an NFL coach versus being a college coach, it's night and day, very few of the best on either side can make the switch.

I probaly did'nt write this well, but maybe y'all get the idea, it's Charlie, he's a numerical OC playing the NFL specialist slotting game, not the emotionally motivating father for a collegiate program and

S & C (Strength and Conditioning) ND players are fat and slow, they are using an old H.I.T. style eat steak program of machines and unsupervised eating ,not enough Plyometrics and dietary controls, they need a program that develops explosive power and stamina, power and wind, they are way behind the times.

 

[machine528]

Rogue, i agree 100 percent with what your saying.


Ive felt that Charlie will win games when he has vetran players running his schemes. In college that isnt acceptable because you will have 2 years like this year and then have 2 decent years.

In my opinion Mendoza is a horrible strength and conditioning coach. The best results at the combine for ND was Brady Quinn, who from what i hear had been doing his own workout and not following Mendoza's. Zibby was one hell of a player his Junior year, he actually got slower and regressed his true senior year and his 5th year. If Les Miles goes to Michigan and that LSU coaching staff gets broken up. I would pray that ND offers LSU's strength and conditioning coach.

Maybe when Weiss meets with the patriots in the off season Belechak will tell him to simplify the offense.

 

[jmh80]

Great post RD. Always appreciate the knowledge and insight you provide about the NFL and college.

Even if you are a Niner-hating mongoloid. :duel:

 

[jmh80]

Hey - all this parity means it might take Miami only 4 or 5 years to get back to national title contention.

Instead of 10.

 

[Iron Warrior]

Great post RD. Always appreciate the knowledge and insight you provide about the NFL and college.

Even if you are a Niner-hating mongoloid. :duel:

Couldn't have said it better myself It's always good to hear the opinions of people who know what they're talking about.

BTW, now is a good time to hate the 49ers, what a fvcking joke they've become :rant: The owner needs to give up control and Mike Nolan needs to make sure they attack a little more on offense, hell, it's freaking offense which means must attack by nature !

On the Cryin' Irish: Charlie's system is not suited for college ball, just like Urban Meyer's isn't suited for the NFL. Casey Clausen is not Tom Brady and he needs to adapt his system to suit his players' skills. They also need to upgrade their D-Line. They only 2 dominant D-Linemen I can think of are Anthony Weaver and Bryant Young, that's 2 D-Linemen since 1993.

 

[jmh80]

If I was running Miami, I would recruit in B10 country for Offensive Linemen, Linebackers and Punters/Kickers and Pac country for a QB, they need to run recruiting more nationally than just fighting with the other FL teams for local talent.

Miami was THE NFL Pipeline, they need to invest in better facilities and sell the badass G rep and the values of playing in the Sunshine State, Sunshine Girls, to Out of State Recruits.

I can tell you that's not Shannon's MO at this point. He's going back to the Howard Schnellenburge days of the "state of Miami" (early '80's).
(Some line from like West Palm Beach all the way across the state and down - then he started moving the line up towards FSU/UF parts of FLA.)

Most of the kids we have now in our '08 class are from FLA. We've got 6 kids from the #1 HS team in USA (Miami Northwestern).

We are recruiting some of the star kids from out of FLA. We are in the top 3 for the #1 linebacker (Arthur Brown) - from Kansas. (Helps that the LB coach has videos on You Tube - Mike Barrow.)

I think the MO is still bring back the state of Miami first - but also recruit kids that fit our system from out of state in case we don't get the kids we have targeted from FLA.

That 2nd part is one thing Coker did WRONG!
We had no back up kids - that's why we have 2 not so good QB's with only a kid that redshirted behind them.

If we sell the NFL results we've had just since '00 - we'd get plenty of kids. I'm not sure those are the kids that fit the UM system though. We've gotten in trouble with kids coming here just looking toward the NFL, IMO.
Hard balance with that aspect.

I think you'll be surprised at the win's we'll get in the state of FLA over the Gators and Noles.
We have a staff geared towards recruiting more than anything (Barrow is a good example).