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Epistane H-drol or jungle warfare

havoc07

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Which one of these would be best for gaining weight and increasing strength? Im currently 5'10 180lbs max bench is 275lbs
would any of these let me maybe get 190 and my bench up to around 315 with proper diet included? Thanks And on the sides which is less likely to cause hair loss? thanks again
 
This is not a fair comparison because Epi and HD are PS's and JW is not. That being said, Epi is an awesome strength compound and is mild as well.
 
I haven't taken Epi personally, but there are tons of logs on here by people who have done a cycle of it.
 
is it exactly the same as havoc my gains on havoc were mediocor and didn't really get that alpha male feeling i was hoping for.
 
havoc07 said:
is it exactly the same as havoc my gains on havoc were mediocor and didn't really get that alpha male feeling i was hoping for.
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Well, no supplement is going to make-up for a lackluster diet and training program so you may need to re-evaluate those before lloking into anything else.
 
H-drol and Epistane are both PHs and both require good post cycle therapies. JW may not, but some people have argued that a long cycle of JW will cause shut down and require a mild post cycle as well.
 
God damn. I'm no adonis but I used Havoc in the Summer and put on 15 lbs of lean mass. If PHs (steroids) aren't working for you then you aren't working for them (I.E. eat the way you know you need to be and work like a beast in the gym).
 
havoc07 said:
Which one of these would be best for gaining weight and increasing strength? Im currently 5'10 180lbs max bench is 275lbs
would any of these let me maybe get 190 and my bench up to around 315 with proper diet included? Thanks And on the sides which is less likely to cause hair loss? thanks again
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Good strength and size gains w/epi. All of mt core lifts(bench, squat and deads) went up approximately 10%. Repage increased as well plus I gained 9 lbs and kept 7ish, on a 4x/week 4 week pulse cycle. Virtually no sides except some minor shedding of the hairline.
 
dhuge67 said:
God damn. I'm no adonis but I used Havoc in the Summer and put on 15 lbs of lean mass. If PHs (steroids) aren't working for you then you aren't working for them (I.E. eat the way you know you need to be and work like a beast in the gym).
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:clap2: Never used Havoc but that's just it, People first look to PH's as a crutch to poor dieting and training. People hear it all the time but I think people are too impatient to stick with it. I feel sort of bad when you see that someone's first post or first couple of posts here is asking which PH to use. All the white diet and training take the backseat. :aargh:
 
LiftNDestroy said:
:clap2: Never used Havoc but that's just it, People first look to PH's as a crutch to poor dieting and training. People hear it all the time but I think people are too impatient to stick with it. I feel sort of bad when you see that someone's first post or first couple of posts here is asking which PH to use. All the white diet and training take the backseat. :aargh:
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I agree completely. I have friends talk to me all the time about this taking this and that PH or steroid, while I know for a fact that their diet is completely out of wack, because for one they make fun of the way I eat and second because I've seen first hand how they eat. Then the time comes and they buy said drug and take it and gain a few pounds and a little strength and think there on top of the world until their cycle ends and they lose everything and end up smaller and weaker than they began.
 
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