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Anyone here own a Mac?

I am an avid pc user but my next investment into computing goes to mac. I am tired of messing around with computers in hardware and software. I am known as the goto guy for pc issues and i think im burnt out on it. I just want my computer to run without worrying about stupid stuff like IE getting corrupted. I really have no beef with pcs my issues are with microshaft. I cant say its all thier fault though because they have to write code for a variety of endless hardware, whereas macs os is specific design to a single set of hardware. I just tell everyone who comes to me with pc questions now to get a mac. Pcs are for people who know what they are doing and want to mess around with stuff. Most people just want a computer thats reliable for web browsing and email and i believe macs have this niche over microsofts unreliable os.

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I started off as an Amiga owner, myself - an early 1000 and a late 2000HD (the one w/ the 50mb hard drive - if you want to whine about the expense of upgrades, research the cost of Amiga upgrades & peripherals back when they were still in production).

In many ways the Amiga *was* ahead of its time - and in many ways it was stupidly designed & permanently crippled thereby (512k ChipRAM bottleneck, anyone?). Yes, Commodore screwed the pooch like the pooch had never been screwed before, but the graphics bottleneck, the moving target that was expansion-slot design, and the plain old bad timing of the Amiga's entry into the market pretty much arranged to have the pooch lubed up & tied to the barrel by the time Gould & Ali staggered in.

I find it entertaining to hear the Windows crowd talk about Macs now the same way the pre-Windows crowd talked about Amigas (with interesting inversions: the DOS gang loved to play the "game box, not a real computer" line, while now, 'sub-par' game performance is used to bash the Mac as 'not a serious computer').

After years of programming, supporting & maintaining professional computing setups on a dozen different OSs, there came a time when I had to admit that my Amiga was not going to come back from the grave after the C/A bankruptcy, that it would never be a more satisfying computing (or internet!) that it already was (and face it: what DO you expect from a 12-year-old computer?).

Not just time for a new computer: a need to change platforms.

This was during the browser-wars phase of the Microsoft monopoly action, the Clinton impeachment, and the Japanese economic meltdown ('cause context is everything) - and the iMac was brand new.... I looked at PCs, I looked at SPARCstations, I looked at old DG Eagles, I seriously considered a 3B2, I looked at Macs. I'd been an observer & fringe participant in the computer world since the pre-Apple S-100 days, and a paid participant in the industry since the time of the PC Junior, and so able to weigh the various possibilities with some dispassion. Based on my evaluations of the companies, personalities, roadmaps, etc, I decided to get a Mac, and to buy stock in the company - on the theory that, if I was right in my assessment, I stood to make a basket of cash.

Since then, I've used Windows XP in a professional environment and I do not care for it. I've used Linux, too - and OS X is not based on Linux (BSD with a mach kernel, neither of which is Linux - or even especially Linux-like, as these things go), and while I like it, I'm keenly aware of how many years have slipped by while I dicked around with that level of detail.

The deciding factor on getting a Mac was the copy of Virtual PC that came bundled with it; the truth is, I've never found any reason to run it - I simply have no need for, or interest in, Windows, anything it can do, or anything that runs on it.

Oh, and on the subject of the expense, two things:
a) - TCO
b) - "If money's all you want, then that's all you'll get!" - Leia to Han, Episode 4

I'm lucky I can afford the things I can afford; I know that. My daughter, food in my stomach, a roof over my head chief among these. Most often, people can afford the things they decide to afford, the alternative being to simply throw money around for the hell of it. I could hurl FUD and frustration & vent my impotent rage by slamming the companies that make really nice HD video stuff, but the simple truth is, I'm not willing to pay those prices - but I know they'll come down in price even further than they have. Until then, I don't sit and drool and fume, I get on with my life & use the things I have. Probably just part of getting old....

Speaking of which, this is a very old conversation for me, and since today's my birthday, I'm going to stop here, finish my second cup of coffee, have a brisk walk, and spend the rest of the day installing and playing with Logic Studio.

Maybe I'll write a song for you guys....
 
Sign up for a 1 unit course at a JC or something.

That's my plan:)

Speaking of which, this is a very old conversation for me, and since today's my birthday, I'm going to stop here, finish my second cup of coffee, have a brisk walk, and spend the rest of the day installing and playing with Logic Studio.

You could do it way better in Sonar7 bro :) (J/K - that's another endless argument right there)

Happy B-Day , btw!

Just to say it again, Microsoft did really screw up with Vista. Its just crap.

I've used Vista, while I think it could be better, Im sure it will mature into a decent OS just like XP. I'm using XP64 right now and I'm really digging it.

BV
 
That's my plan:)



You could do it way better in Sonar7 bro :) (J/K - that's another endless argument right there)

Happy B-Day , btw!



I've used Vista, while I think it could be better, Im sure it will mature into a decent OS just like XP. I'm using XP64 right now and I'm really digging it.

BV

I've used XP64 bit before. I had it installed but had problems with a few things, and now I have the 32 bit version installed. Hopefully 64bit will take off in the near future but for now there is hardly any software that takes advantage of its capabilities. Also there are not a lot of 64 bit drivers.
 
That's my plan:)



You could do it way better in Sonar7 bro :) (J/K - that's another endless argument right there)

Happy B-Day , btw!



I've used Vista, while I think it could be better, Im sure it will mature into a decent OS just like XP. I'm using XP64 right now and I'm really digging it.

BV

I've used XP64 bit before. I had it installed but had problems with a few things, and now I have the 32 bit version installed. Hopefully 64bit will take off in the near future but for now there is hardly any software that takes advantage of its capabilities. Also there are not a lot of 64 bit drivers. For now it just sits on my desk. Maybe I'll sell it on Ebay or something.
 
I've used XP64 bit before. I had it installed but had problems with a few things, and now I have the 32 bit version installed. Hopefully 64bit will take off in the near future but for now there is hardly any software that takes advantage of its capabilities. Also there are not a lot of 64 bit drivers. For now it just sits on my desk. Maybe I'll sell it on Ebay or something.

There are a lot more 64-bit drivers available now that there were last year - I havent had a problem at all with any of my hardware. I wanted to upgrade to 64-bit because my main DAW app, Cakewalk Sonar, has a native 64-bit version and its really slick. Plus now I can use all 4GB of the RAM I have installed...
 
There are a lot more 64-bit drivers available now that there were last year - I havent had a problem at all with any of my hardware. I wanted to upgrade to 64-bit because my main DAW app, Cakewalk Sonar, has a native 64-bit version and its really slick. Plus now I can use all 4GB of the RAM I have installed...

Yeah that was exactly the reason I purchased the 64bit version. The thing is though, I really don't need 4GB of ram, I'll never use it. With my two graphics cards in SLI mode the 32 bit os only sees 3GB of the 4 installed. Half way through builiding the system I decided on SLI and that it would be a gaming system. The thing is I purchased about 3 games and played them a few times, and just don't enjoy gaming like I did say in my early 20's with Super Nintendo. Its just not appealing to me anymore. The next computer I build with have one low end graphics card in it that I won't pay more than $50 for and not more than 2-3 GB of RAM....I guess I'm just an old and boring guy now-a-days.
 
Yeah that was exactly the reason I purchased the 64bit version. The thing is though, I really don't need 4GB of ram, I'll never use it. With my two graphics cards in SLI mode the 32 bit os only sees 3GB of the 4 installed. Half way through builiding the system I decided on SLI and that it would be a gaming system. The thing is I purchased about 3 games and played them a few times, and just don't enjoy gaming like I did say in my early 20's with Super Nintendo. Its just not appealing to me anymore. The next computer I build with have one low end graphics card in it that I won't pay more than $50 for and not more than 2-3 GB of RAM....I guess I'm just an old and boring guy now-a-days.

LOL I hear that man, when I built my system last October I bought an X1900XT, which at the time was one of the best GPU's available. While I still love playing games, I just dont have time to really get into it - and today's games need real dedication to really immerse yourself.

I miss the days when I could just flip on my computer, blast aliens for 20-30 minutes and feel fulfilled. Now Im in Oblivion for 4 hours and it still feels like I didnt get anywhere, and I just feel guilty that I could have been doing something productive.

What I want to see is a really killer, pure shooter like Raiden Fighters or R-Type - but with DX10 graphics and an awesome array of weapons and bad ass bosses to use them on!


BV
 
I'm a developer and I could not live without my OS X machines at home. I am forced to use Windows at work and I feel like killing myself everyday.

To those that think you are unable to tinker with OS X, you obviously do not have a degree in Computer Science (like I do).
 
I'm a developer and I could not live without my OS X machines at home. I am forced to use Windows at work and I feel like killing myself everyday.

To those that think you are unable to tinker with OS X, you obviously do not have a degree in Computer Science (like I do).
Definitely much more "tinkerable" than Windows. The other cool thing is that with a C2D w/ 2.0GB+ RAM running windows via parallels desktop is a charm, and even better is the coherence option which lets me completely integrate windows programs into OS X. Its freggin' sweet. If only the prices on macs were a bit more reasonable, or even better, if OS X was licensed out. That'd be awesome. I've made a "hackintosh" out of an AMD system I had, but, it was just a bit too unstable and way too much work if something so simple as an upgrade to OS X killed all my hard work.
 
To those that think you are unable to tinker with OS X, you obviously do not have a degree in Computer Science (like I do).


That's the point. Most reasonably competent people can tinker with windows. Mac operating systems are sealed off the from casual user. If you can't get the OS to do something, you're basically screwed without a degree in computer science. I just spent an hour trying to set-up a stupid router on my kids' mac. With a windows machine, I just plug it in and the computer recognizes and integrates the hardware...but I can't even get the freakin mac to recognize that the hardware is connected to it.:frustrate

I'm not a novice. I've built many a computer from parts (pc). When something goes wrong (like this failure to recognize a piece of hardware) I could fix it by poking around in windows. With the mac OS, I'm just shut out of the level of access I need to fix the problem if one of the default wizards doesn't fix it. That makes for a great machine for people who just want to turn it on an type things but its frustrating for me.
 
That's the point. Most reasonably competent people can tinker with windows. Mac operating systems are sealed off the from casual user. If you can't get the OS to do something, you're basically screwed without a degree in computer science. I just spent an hour trying to set-up a stupid router on my kids' mac. With a windows machine, I just plug it in and the computer recognizes and integrates the hardware...but I can't even get the freakin mac to recognize that the hardware is connected to it.:frustrate

see thats the opposite of how i veiw macs..i dont remember the last time i had to load any software into my macs(from digital cams to printers). airport setup assistant wouldnt reconize the router? should have called apple care they are very very patient.
 
Did you check to see if airport was turned on? What version of OS X are you running. I've never had an issue recognizing a router.
 
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Did you check to see if airport was turned on? What version of OS X are you running. I've never had an issue recognizing a router.

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running the latest OSX with all updates (My office replaced it with the newest generation iMac last fall and I bought it at a surplus price for my kids.

It doesn't have an airport card but the salesman at the Mac store told me not to bother with an internal card and to just
buy a cheap D-link router (they're mac compatable). Of course, the machine isn't recognizing that the new hardware is plugged into it.

Maybe the Mac salesperson was wrong (though the router does say that it's mac compatable).
 
yea he is wrong imo,call 1800- apl -care ..you need a internal card ,ebay has them cheap last i checked.i had a flat panel g4 i just replace and i ahd to install a card in that
 
I'm a developer and I could not live without my OS X machines at home. I am forced to use Windows at work and I feel like killing myself everyday.

To those that think you are unable to tinker with OS X, you obviously do not have a degree in Computer Science (like I do).

I'm a developer too, with a degree in CS. I definitely prefer windows over OSX, but to each their own :) If I could install a 'real' copy of the Mac OS on a machine I built myself, I might give it another chance...I'm too particular about the hardware I use to let Apple decide what Im going to run with and how much Im going to pay for it.

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running the latest OSX with all updates (My office replaced it with the newest generation iMac last fall and I bought it at a surplus price for my kids.

It doesn't have an airport card but the salesman at the Mac store told me not to bother with an internal card and to just
buy a cheap D-link router (they're mac compatable). Of course, the machine isn't recognizing that the new hardware is plugged into it.

Maybe the Mac salesperson was wrong (though the router does say that it's mac compatable).

If it doesn't have an airport card it has no way to communicate with the wireless router.

Look for OS X compatible USB wireless NIC's (make sure your iMac has USB, which it should) and that should probably do the trick.

Just to double check, go to Apple Menu --> About this Computer --> More info --> network and see what cards you have installed.
 
I'm a developer too, with a degree in CS. I definitely prefer windows over OSX, but to each their own :) If I could install a 'real' copy of the Mac OS on a machine I built myself, I might give it another chance...I'm too particular about the hardware I use to let Apple decide what Im going to run with and how much Im going to pay for it.

bv

I gather that you mean 'real' as in not a hackintosh? I ran a hackintosh for over a year as my daily (and only) machine. I loved it and the only reason I have a new iMac is to appease the girlfriend. I do miss my overclocked c2d though... :(

Just read go over the HCL and see if your hardware is supported, if it is, it will run like any other Macintosh.
 
That's the point. Most reasonably competent people can tinker with windows. Mac operating systems are sealed off the from casual user. If you can't get the OS to do something, you're basically screwed without a degree in computer science. I just spent an hour trying to set-up a stupid router on my kids' mac. With a windows machine, I just plug it in and the computer recognizes and integrates the hardware...but I can't even get the freakin mac to recognize that the hardware is connected to it.:frustrate

I'm not a novice. I've built many a computer from parts (pc). When something goes wrong (like this failure to recognize a piece of hardware) I could fix it by poking around in windows. With the mac OS, I'm just shut out of the level of access I need to fix the problem if one of the default wizards doesn't fix it. That makes for a great machine for people who just want to turn it on an type things but its frustrating for me.

I beleive that you are just unfamiliar with the internals of a *nix based OS, which is fine. No one but us nerds really care. It is much different than Windows in how its subsystem behaves. That being said, it is still very easy to find solutions to problems like trouble shooting software, preferences, drivers, etc... In fact, once you get familiar with the OS and where things are stored, it's MUCH easier to correct small issues than it is with a Windows OS. It just takes some getting used to, like you initially did with Windows back in the day.

Also, fixing Registry problems in Windows is a god damned nightmare for the average user... Just thought I'd throw that out there.
 
In fact, once you get familiar with the OS and where things are stored, it's MUCH easier to correct small issues than it is with a Windows OS. It just takes some getting used to, like you initially did with Windows back in the day.
Just the fact that something broken in OS X can be fixed without needing to reformat is pretty incredible. :lol: My hackintosh had "supported" hardware, but, I think some hackintosh hardware just doesn't run well--mine didn't. Anyway, I got plenty of time in fixing my hackintosh, stuff that I could never do with windows.

Also, fixing Registry problems in Windows is a god damned nightmare for the average user... Just thought I'd throw that out there.
Yeah....that's why we just reformat Windows when it starts acting up. Its much quicker that way.
 
So are you Mac people saying that you never have to reinstall the OS at all?. There is no slow degradation with installs and uninstalls. So the MAC OS will run just as fast as did when first installed a year later?. That would be pretty impressive to me. I would buy a mac laptop if I had the money just to mess around with it, if only they had reasonable prices.
 
So are you Mac people saying that you never have to reinstall the OS at all?. There is no slow degradation with installs and uninstalls. So the MAC OS will run just as fast as did when first installed a year later?. That would be pretty impressive to me. I would buy a mac laptop if I had the money just to mess around with it, if only they had reasonable prices.

No one has ever said this but it isn't that far from the truth. The entire time I ran my Hackintosh I reinstalled OS X a grand total of zero times. Even with the hacked updates the system still ran like a champ. Even when I swapped out the mobo and processor (from Intel board + Pentium D to a Asrock board with a Core2Duo) I didn't reinstall. I just had to patch a kext file for sound, isntall ethernet drivers and update the kernel (which was as simple as running script, i could have done it manually, but the script was faster).

A big part of the reason Windows starts to slow down is from fragmentation and the registry becoming very bloated (and this is assuming you don't have viruses and spyware). OS X defrags the space on the drive where you install an app whenever you run an installer and there is nothing close to a registry like there is in windows. (there is a registry-like foundation in OS X but it is no where near like the mess that Microsoft puts in their OS, it's used primarily to tell what is installed on the OS)

Look, I don't want to turn this into a Mac vs Windows pissing contest. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I am just tossing my two cents into the arena. :head:
 
Just the fact that something broken in OS X can be fixed without needing to reformat is pretty incredible. :lol: My hackintosh had "supported" hardware, but, I think some hackintosh hardware just doesn't run well--mine didn't. Anyway, I got plenty of time in fixing my hackintosh, stuff that I could never do with windows.
Yeah, before I bought all my hardware I read a **** ton on the osx86project (now insanelymac) forums to make sure it would work.
Yeah....that's why we just reformat Windows when it starts acting up. Its much quicker that way.
Very true, my first machine of my own was a windows 98 box. I formatted that drive more than 100 times, no joke.
 
Well they have to bring the prices down...I mean with a windows based machine you can get chose how much you want to spend. You can get a cheap emachine and it will work for just browsing the internet, or you can pay over $5000 for a "gaming pc". I really don't have any interest in playing games anymore. There is no difference between the two these days macs and pcs correct?. They are the same except for that chip that says its a mac itel and not a pc itel so you can't install OS X on a "PC". So why do they have to charge so much?. Reading this thread I would really like to get a mac book, laptop, or whatever the name is of a mac laptop. I haven't really looked that far into it because of price. I know you can run Windows on a Mac with bootcamp, but you can't run MAC OS X on a "PC" even though they are basically the same exact thing!. So you see my frustration?
 
Well they have to bring the prices down...I mean with a windows based machine you can get chose how much you want to spend. You can get a cheap emachine and it will work for just browsing the internet, or you can pay over $5000 for a "gaming pc". I really don't have any interest in playing games anymore. There is no difference between the two these days macs and pcs correct?. They are the same except for that chip that says its a mac itel and not a pc itel so you can't install OS X on a "PC". So why do they have to charge so much?. Reading this thread I would really like to get a mac book, laptop, or whatever the name is of a mac laptop. I haven't really looked that far into it because of price. I know you can run Windows on a Mac with bootcamp, but you can't run MAC OS X on a "PC" even though they are basically the same exact thing!. So you see my frustration?


When you compare the specs of all the compaines, Apples machines are very well priced. The macbook is $1100 and that's not too shabby at all. The Mac mini is also very reasonably prices. The Mac Pro is priced VERY well compared to what you would get from dell. An 8-core machine for under $4k is very, very nice.

Also, you have to keep in mind that you are getting an OS X machine, if you want a cheap laptop, you are going to have to deal with Windows (or linux if you are savvy enough). A freind of mine who is a dental student at OSU just bought his first mac, a macbook, and absolutely loves the thing. He was dead against it and even after he got it, he was not sure. Now, three weeks later he can't live without it.
 
I gather that you mean 'real' as in not a hackintosh? I ran a hackintosh for over a year as my daily (and only) machine. I loved it and the only reason I have a new iMac is to appease the girlfriend. I do miss my overclocked c2d though...

Just read go over the HCL and see if your hardware is supported, if it is, it will run like any other Macintosh.

Right, not OSx86 but a real, supported, licensed copy of OSX. I've been meaning to install OSx86 just to check it out, as well as Linix/Beryl -just been so busy that I havent got around to it. I'm also really happy with XP64, and I'm not really interested in any software that's OSX-specific right now.

No one has ever said this but it isn't that far from the truth. The entire time I ran my Hackintosh I reinstalled OS X a grand total of zero times. Even with the hacked updates the system still ran like a champ. Even when I swapped out the mobo and processor (from Intel board + Pentium D to a Asrock board with a Core2Duo) I didn't reinstall. I just had to patch a kext file for sound, isntall ethernet drivers and update the kernel (which was as simple as running script, i could have done it manually, but the script was faster).

A big part of the reason Windows starts to slow down is from fragmentation and the registry becoming very bloated (and this is assuming you don't have viruses and spyware). OS X defrags the space on the drive where you install an app whenever you run an installer and there is nothing close to a registry like there is in windows. (there is a registry-like foundation in OS X but it is no where near like the mess that Microsoft puts in their OS, it's used primarily to tell what is installed on the OS)

Look, I don't want to turn this into a Mac vs Windows pissing contest. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I am just tossing my two cents into the arena.

There are plenty of tools to help alleviate the issues with fragmentation and dead registry entries with Windows, and they do help out a lot. I have used Perfect Disk 8.0 and Registry Mechanic with great success...

I have to agree with you though, maintaining a squeaky clean Windows OS seems like second nature to me - but Im a total geek and can understand how it might seem like rocket science to the casual user. Ive recommended Macs to friends who I know are computer illiterate to a fault, because I know they'll be better able to deal with the machine on their own (and not call me in the middle of the night for computer help)

bv
 
When you compare the specs of all the compaines, Apples machines are very well priced. The macbook is $1100 and that's not too shabby at all. The Mac mini is also very reasonably prices. The Mac Pro is priced VERY well compared to what you would get from dell. An 8-core machine for under $4k is very, very nice.


The stock Mac Pro, is configured as a Two CPU dual core, with 1GB of RAM (2 x 512), and a 250GB hard drive and its $2500.

With two quad core CPU's, 4GB of RAM, a RAID card, and 2 500GB drives that price blows up to nearly $7k

The only reason I know this off hand is because I had a friend interested in a monster, server class PC for his music studio. He prefers the Windows OS, as he's already pretty much dedicated to it with the software he uses. He was considering going with a Mac Pro because of its popularity in the music production world, until I spec'd out a system for him:

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Better graphics, 8GB of RAM, dual 10,000 RPM Raptors in addition to dual 500GB SATA2 drives...and its $3000 less than the Mac Pro.

I have to disagree that the Mac Pro is competatively priced...considering its base configuration at $2500, you could build an overclocked Kentsfield rig for less than half that cost that would eat it for breakfast.

BV
 
The stock Mac Pro, is configured as a Two CPU dual core, with 1GB of RAM (2 x 512), and a 250GB hard drive and its $2500.

With two quad core CPU's, 4GB of RAM, a RAID card, and 2 500GB drives that price blows up to nearly $7k

The only reason I know this off hand is because I had a friend interested in a monster, server class PC for his music studio. He prefers the Windows OS, as he's already pretty much dedicated to it with the software he uses. He was considering going with a Mac Pro because of its popularity in the music production world, until I spec'd out a system for him:

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Better graphics, 8GB of RAM, dual 10,000 RPM Raptors in addition to dual 500GB SATA2 drives...and its $3000 less than the Mac Pro.

I have to disagree that the Mac Pro is competatively priced...considering its base configuration at $2500, you could build an overclocked Kentsfield rig for less than half that cost that would eat it for breakfast.

BV

Of course you can build your own setup for a fraction of the price, all OEMs are like this. Look at dell, their top of the line home gaming rig is over 5k (with an lcd) but only has one OC'ed quad core core2extreme.

Also, anyone that buys ram from apple needs their head checked. They are so damn overpriced it's insane.

The Mac Pro is going to mop the floor with that Dell machine, with it's 8-cores and if you put half of the max ECC Ram in it, it's lights out.

If I were to order the Mac Pro, I'd just get it stock with the exception of the dual quad-cores. Buy my own memory, buy a PC video card, use Natit to run it in OS X, and buy some 10k HDD's. Save a ton of money. (could do this for a grand total of around 4.5-5k)

Anyhow, this all boils down to OS. I prefer OS X, you and your buddy prefer Windows so building his own box would be a much better choice.

I actually think I'll be building another hack in the next year or so when I move into another apartment with more space. :)
 
Well a lot of people don't need all that extra crap. Just a pc that you can surf the internet with, no need for games, just a reasonably priced machine. Sure it would be fun to have all that power, but if your not gonna take advantage of it, it is pointless and a waste of money. I would like to see you do a comparisson of cheap ecomony pcs verses the most economic mac choice.
 
Well a lot of people don't need all that extra crap. Just a pc that you can surf the internet with, no need for games, just a reasonably priced machine. Sure it would be fun to have all that power, but if your not gonna take advantage of it, it is pointless and a waste of money. I would like to see you do a comparisson of cheap ecomony pcs verses the most economic mac choice.

I couldn't agree more. That's why I have an iMac, very middle of the line. My brother has a Mac Mini and my sister has my old PowerPC MDD that suits her just fine.
 
a lot of people once they see leopard will be switching

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..and a mac mini is very reasonable..
 
a lot of people once they see leopard will be switching

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..and a mac mini is very reasonable..

oh hell yeah man! I have been pumped about this since it was previewed a loooong time ago. I actually have had quite a few betas of it but never installed it, want to save it all for the final build! :)
 
If I were to order the Mac Pro, I'd just get it stock with the exception of the dual quad-cores. Buy my own memory, buy a PC video card, use Natit to run it in OS X, and buy some 10k HDD's. Save a ton of money. (could do this for a grand total of around 4.5-5k)

I agree with you on that one - if i wasnt going to build my own workstation and had to choose betwen the mac pro and the dell, Id take the route you described and run XP on it.

a lot of people once they see leopard will be switching

Apple - Mac OS X Leopard

..and a mac mini is very reasonable..

I have to admit I am interested in checking out Leopard, that does look pretty cool.

Well a lot of people don't need all that extra crap. Just a pc that you can surf the internet with, no need for games, just a reasonably priced machine. Sure it would be fun to have all that power, but if your not gonna take advantage of it, it is pointless and a waste of money. I would like to see you do a comparisson of cheap ecomony pcs verses the most economic mac choice.

For the price of a $799 Mac Mini, you could put together a Dell Inspiron that would have a bit more horsepower than the $1199 iMac.

If you needed a small form factor PC, that $799 would get you a Dell 'Slim' Inspiron with 2GB of RAM, NVIDIA 8300GS GPU, 250GB hard drive, the 1.83Ghz Core2 CPU, and a 20" widecreen LCD.

Clearly, more computing power for your money.

FWIW, I do like Macs and think OSX , while not for me, is a cool OS. I just dont like how Apple builds loyalty with the "This is the best computer you can buy" shtick, and then charges a premium for a lesser machine. They're just being sneaky about ripping you off, while Microsoft rips everyone off conspicuosly and is proud of it :)

At the bottom line they are both corporations out to maximize the bottom line...and when it comes to what type of computer you need it just a personal choice.

I'm not a fan of any OEM manufactured PC, Apple, Dell, or otherwise...compared to a machine you can build (or have built) they are all very limited in terms of upgrade potential and generally overpriced for what you get.

BV
 
yea but straight up i buy Macs for the software,bottom line..the OS is what appeals to me.i do have vista on this mac so my gf can use office for school but i can count on one hand how many times she has used it.she never switches out..i understand windows has it place and 95% of the world runs on it but i love my mac.i am basically paying for convenience and i dont mind because this mac just runs
 
yea but straight up i buy Macs for the software,bottom line..the OS is what appeals to me.i do have vista on this mac so my gf can use office for school but i can count on one hand how many times she has used it.she never switches out..i understand windows has it place and 95% of the world runs on it but i love my mac

amen brother. I installed Vista with Bootcamp for this stupid massively multiplayer 2D fighting game called Rumble Fighter (kind of like Powerstone, if anyone ever played that) and while its a pretty cool game, I've just can't bring myself to boot into vista...

However, the newest build of VMware Fusion has DirectX 9 support, so that brings possiblity there. Then there is also Cider, which is interesting. :)

God, I'm really nerding this thread up.
 
yea well vista might come in handy as i jsut bought a iphone clone ..lol..i refuse to buy a first gen iphone but man i am jonesing to,so this clone better help..i need a new cell anyway

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amen brother. I installed Vista with Bootcamp for this stupid massively multiplayer 2D fighting game called Rumble Fighter (kind of like Powerstone, if anyone ever played that) and while its a pretty cool game, I've just can't bring myself to boot into vista...

However, the newest build of VMware Fusion has DirectX 9 support, so that brings possiblity there. Then there is also Cider, which is interesting.

God, I'm really nerding this thread up.

I salvaged a Sun E450 server from my company's scrap pile so i could run Solaris 10 on a Sparc CPU based machine, just hauling it to my office counted as half a leg workout...just a random comment to add to the nerd fest:)

yea well vista might come in handy as i jsut bought a iphone clone ..lol..i refuse to buy a first gen iphone but man i am jonesing to,so this clone better help..i need a new cell anyway

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Where'd you get that Wojo? How's it compare to the iPhone?
 
I am still studying for my Microsoft exams to get the MCSE, just to let you guys know. Yeah I'm an old man that went back to school/training. Its not a college, but a training facility/shop, probally the biggest place in the State and the only one north of portland that is Apple/Mac certified so they do work on macs and my teacher just got a Macbook so that is what sparked my interest. I spend too much time on here though and not enough time studying. I should have taken my real test already but I'm procrastinating like hell!.
 
hey t-bone i am 30 and thinking of going back too,i wanna be a "mac genius"i just have no idea where to look and i have a great job but i can see me wanting to move on in a few years and would love to go back for comps..no shame in that...

BV,the phone is CECT p168,it is from china and they are all other ebay..triband phone ,so it will work with t-mobile.i havent recieved it yet but i will let you know i should have it by friday
 
If it doesn't have an airport card it has no way to communicate with the wireless router.

Look for OS X compatible USB wireless NIC's (make sure your iMac has USB, which it should) and that should probably do the trick.

Just to double check, go to Apple Menu --> About this Computer --> More info --> network and see what cards you have installed.


I was probably sloppy in describing it. This router is actually hardware that plugs into the mac and replaces the function of the wireless access card (it's essentially an external card). Once connected, it should enable me to access my home network. I'm just having difficulty getting the mac to recognize that the new hardware has been added.

I had to work late tonight so haven't tinkered with it again. I'll take another run at it sometime this week....probably google around message boards and see how other people have resolved the same issue.

On a related note, I just had my macs at work (latest iMacs) choke on a word document created with Office 2007. Apparently there's a coding change. I was able to open it with my laptop (pc) after downloading a quick compatability update to my Office 2003 suite....but our IT guy says the new (compatable) mac suite won't be available until January.
 
I have Macs at work and PCs at home. I hate the Macs.

For me, Macs are like computers with training wheels. They're fine for people who don't know what they are doing or who just want to do the simple things that are already allowed by the programs. However, whenever I need to do something complicated (like fix a software interface glitch) it's just a giant pain in the ass because the Mac OS isn't designed to allow people to tinker under the hood. Moreover, I'm always encountering problems because the Mac software programs often have trouble with documents created by PCs (which the rest of the business world uses). The newest OS greatly mitigated this problem but it is still agitating when it happens. I have to apologize and ask that they just send the document to my home computer.

I've had Macs at work for ten years so have experience with all sorts of Mac tech and OS variations.

OTOH, when I needed a computer for my 4-year-old, I bought a used first generation iMac for $40 because it is easy to use and essentially a disposable computer (for the inevitable day when he breaks it).

I agree.
 
I was probably sloppy in describing it. This router is actually hardware that plugs into the mac and replaces the function of the wireless access card (it's essentially an external card). Once connected, it should enable me to access my home network. I'm just having difficulty getting the mac to recognize that the new hardware has been added.
How does the router plug into the iMac? Ethernet or USB? Have the brand/model of the router?

On a related note, I just had my macs at work (latest iMacs) choke on a word document created with Office 2007. Apparently there's a coding change. I was able to open it with my laptop (pc) after downloading a quick compatability update to my Office 2003 suite....but our IT guy says the new (compatable) mac suite won't be available until January.
Yeah, that is a big bummer. MS puts out all the new software for Mac OS about a year after its release for Windows. But, if they didn't they'd be hurting themselves, so I can see why.

Even windows machines with Office 2003 or below can't read the new DocX format for Office 2007. However, the user has the option in Office 2007 to save in an office 1997-2003 format (*.doc) and that will work in Office 2004 in OS X.

Also, there are DocX to Doc converters available for OS X, so its not a huge hindrance by any means.
 
yea well vista might come in handy as i jsut bought a iphone clone ..lol..i refuse to buy a first gen iphone but man i am jonesing to,so this clone better help..i need a new cell anyway

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I actually just bought an iPhone a few weeks ago and unlocked it to work with my tmobile. I'm a huuuuuge cellphone whore. I easily switch between 4 cellphones every year and I can say that iPhone is hands down the greatest piece of hardare I have ever owned. That's out of consoles, computers, anything. It does suck for the people that updated to the newest firmware though, can't use any third-party apps or antyhing and it also fvcks the unlock up, so I am still with the second (out of three) firmware version.

Yeah, CECT is known for making shoddy knockoffs. I was looking into that when it came out a little while ago but to get it, it would be almost as much as a real iPhone is now... so I figured might as well get the real deal.

Oh, incase you didn't know, the iPhone works just fine in Windows (XP or Vista), copies songs, contacts, photos and everything just the same.
 
I was probably sloppy in describing it. This router is actually hardware that plugs into the mac and replaces the function of the wireless access card (it's essentially an external card). Once connected, it should enable me to access my home network. I'm just having difficulty getting the mac to recognize that the new hardware has been added.

I had to work late tonight so haven't tinkered with it again. I'll take another run at it sometime this week....probably google around message boards and see how other people have resolved the same issue.

On a related note, I just had my macs at work (latest iMacs) choke on a word document created with Office 2007. Apparently there's a coding change. I was able to open it with my laptop (pc) after downloading a quick compatability update to my Office 2003 suite....but our IT guy says the new (compatable) mac suite won't be available until January.

Let us know what piece of hardware it is that you are using. I'm assuming it's a USB Wifi adapter.

As for the Office backwards compatibility, yeah. Microsoft is notorious for breaking support for older versions of Office with each release. They do it just about every time. You could always switch over to Open Office beta on the Mac, it supports Office 2007 documents. ;)

(I know that isn't actually plausible, but it may be a temporary solution)
 
I actually just bought an iPhone a few weeks ago and unlocked it to work with my tmobile. I'm a huuuuuge cellphone whore. I easily switch between 4 cellphones every year and I can say that iPhone is hands down the greatest piece of hardare I have ever owned. That's out of consoles, computers, anything. It does suck for the people that updated to the newest firmware though, can't use any third-party apps or antyhing and it also fvcks the unlock up, so I am still with the second (out of three) firmware version.

Yeah, CECT is known for making shoddy knockoffs. I was looking into that when it came out a little while ago but to get it, it would be almost as much as a real iPhone is now... so I figured might as well get the real deal.

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yea i wanan stay with t-mobile and i didnt wanna unlock a iphone so i figured i would buy this as a hold over...how easy is it to unlock? i bought the cect phone from someone on ebay with a return policy..so maybe i will return it and buy a iphone and unlock it
 
yea i wanan stay with t-mobile and i didnt wanna unlock a iphone so i figured i would buy this as a hold over...how easy is it to unlock? i bought the cect phone from someone on ebay with a return policy..so maybe i will return it and buy a iphone and unlock it

The unlock takes about three minutes to do. Now the hardest thing to do is find an iphone that has one of the two old firmwares on it. The newest one disables all the cool **** you can do with it.

Setting up the iphone for the unlock is about 10 minutes of work and it's very easy to do, there are about a million guides out there.

I will never switch t-mobile and was not going to get an iphone until the unlock came out. When it was about to be released, I went to the apple store that day and bought it. :)

Aside from unlocking, there are hundreds of apps you can install on it through this program that runs on the iphone, you just tap what you want, it installs it and shows up on your springboard (the fancy name for 'desktop' on the iphone)
 
yea that sux..there are a crap load of unlocked iphones on ebay but i wont pay 600 for one..lol..i found a easy guide to relock it and yea like you said after that last firmware update i have to be careful.i'll stick with the clone for now.god i hate at&t but i wants me a iphone so we will see what happens
 
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