W hat products work the best for Natty Bodybuilder's that pass the rules?

rpen22 said:
This is very true, IME. However, just because other guys might be going against the rules, doesn't mean that they will be better than you.

Also, some shows(like the NPC one I competed in) do a polygraph test, instead of a piss test. In this case, if the tester is doing their job, it will be hard for someone to justify past use just because the hormones aren't still present in your system. If you want strict testing, don't go with an NPC show.
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rpen22 said:
This is very true, IME. However, just because other guys might be going against the rules, doesn't mean that they will be better than you.

Also, some shows(like the NPC one I competed in) do a polygraph test, instead of a piss test. In this case, if the tester is doing their job, it will be hard for someone to justify past use just because the hormones aren't still present in your system. If you want strict testing, don't go with an NPC show.
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Yeah ha NPC is as bad as IBFF to be honest. My friend is 5'6" and is 270-280 in the off season and competes at 230 in npc... thats all i have to say.
 
ReaperX said:
gear/pro steroids all that stuff is just a tool towards bodybuilding like any other supplement. The health risks are real and I wonder if people don't really acknowledge them or something. If you do things natural, you don't have to worry about post cycle therapy, 'losing your gains' or whatever that crap is.
You can still lose gains from natural supplements and there are also natural stuff out there that have potential harmful effects
Let's do a hypothetical scenario. You run 100mg of Dianabol and 150mg of Anadrol-50 for...4 weeks. Ok cool, then you post cycle therapy and you keep your LBM gains. Let's say you get in a car wreck and are hospitalized and unable to move for 12 weeks. All those gains out the window, but you know what ? When you were on that cycle your liver and internal organs got jacked up. Anyone who cant move for 12 weeks would lose a whole lot of gains, natty or not. I dont understand what your saying
If steroids provided PERMANENT gains that could never be taken away that's one thing, but they are just simply an intermediate. Look at Craig Titus. He is 180lbs, balding, and flabby, not to mention in jail. What does he have to show for years of steroid use ? Nothing at this point. He looks like absolute shlt. Although I'm sure his health was probably affected through the course of his gear use.
Craig Titus is an extreme example and also a guy that abused gear thru his career. All the stress from his whole ordeal didnt help either, dude wasnt even in the right state of mind not to mention skyrocketed cortisol levels.


'I had a tumor the size of a grapefruit removed from my liver. Also when they cut me open they found 3 more more tumors the size of golf balls on the other side of my liver.' -Steve Michalik, IFBB pro.
OKay this is a IFBB pro and no one here is one or uses as much gear as they probably do
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You may be making points on the health and safety benefiets of being natty but your post seems to attack others here that arent so natty....
 
ReaperX said:
Why thanks Lan, that input was greatly appriciated.


When you say 'only like 6 people banned' does that mean there are 6 people banned or there is approx. 6 people banned ? Sorry the 'like' in there threw me off.
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YOU, my absolutely brilliant friend, are QUITE welcome! For a second, your spelling of appreciated threw me off.....

Sorry........ I didn't feel like going to the site to see the extremely short list of people they have banned (compared to the number of competitors) and I didn't want to state a number as if it were fact. Hence, the use of "like". Sorry i didn't type like an english professor. There are some members here who do not pretend to be more than they actually are.

Me? One of em'. You?

Next time, I will be more precise in my statements. Better yet, I will discuss things as if I am the foremost expert on the subject......... :box: it seems to work wonders for you ;)
 
Lanbane said:
YOU, my absolutely brilliant friend, are QUITE welcome! For a second, your spelling of appreciated threw me off.....

Sorry........ I didn't feel like going to the site to see the extremely short list of people they have banned (compared to the number of competitors) and I didn't want to state a number as if it were fact. Hence, the use of "like". Sorry i didn't type like a english professor. There are some members here who do not pretend to be more than they actually are.

Me? One of em'. You?

Next time, I will be more precise in my statements. Better yet, I will discuss things as if I am the foremost expert on the subject......... :box: it seems to work wonders for you ;)
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Lan....thanks handyman. Anything else ? How many times did you edit your post ? :clap2:
 
ReaperX said:
Lan....thanks handyman. Anything else ? How many times did you edit your post ? :clap2:
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I think I edited it twice. Had to take out all the comments about how the majority of forum members TRULY feel about you. This post.... yep, edited as well.
 
Smeton,

Where are you from that you would consider IDFA & NGA?

I've competed several times in both. The NGA and IDFA are truly clean. The NPC "natural" shows, f**k no! I did one NPC natural show when I competed in the teen division, I won (I'm natty) but the guy that got 2nd was definatley not clean!

A true natural bodybuilder can win in the natural organizations. I work with 2 pro natural bodybuilders in the NGA and IDFA. 100% clean. I've won in the NGA before. Basically if you are "truly" natural, just pick your shows wisley.

Smeton, also if you've done Superdrol, how long ago? I know the NGA is 7 years clean. I think FAME, NPC Natural is 1 year clean.

What show you thinking of doing??
 
there's no such thing as a truly "natty" bodybuilder. for the average joe or even for the genetically gifted, to truly achieve the extreme requires you to overreach and go to extremes. eating and training will only get you so far. but especially nowadays, when every pro is on juice, and bodybuilders are rapidly setting new records, the only way to compete on that level (and even other levels) is to take juice.. i think. unfortunately.
 
rpen22 said:
This is very true, IME. However, just because other guys might be going against the rules, doesn't mean that they will be better than you.

Also, some shows(like the NPC one I competed in) do a polygraph test, instead of a piss test. In this case, if the tester is doing their job, it will be hard for someone to justify past use just because the hormones aren't still present in your system. If you want strict testing, don't go with an NPC show.
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You do know that Polygraph test is bull right? Almost 50% of the test results are inconclusive, this came from the guy who gave me a voice stress analyser which he claimed was 100% accurate. I sat there and lied like a mofo with full confidence and a smile on my face, I passed without any problems.
 
ReaperX said:
Yeah I did Superdrol 1 year ago for 4 days @ 30mg from Day 1-4. Yeah, that's the last time I ever do that bullsh-t again.

IMO, 6-OXO/ActivaTe is an extremely effective combo. 6-OXO metabolizes into hydroxy-test-blah-blah which is banned in natural competitions.
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I thought it was formastane that metabolized in to test-OH. As far as I know 6-oxo is still on the natural list. By the way, do you have any recent pictures of Craig titus that proves that he is only 180 ish?
 
Grimmy i didnt think of that but yes i did see a video of titus in jail and he still looked bigger than most of the guards so i doubt he is less than 215.
 
Grimmy said:
You do know that Polygraph test is bull right? Almost 50% of the test results are inconclusive, this came from the guy who gave me a voice stress analyser which he claimed was 100% accurate. I sat there and lied like a mofo with full confidence and a smile on my face, I passed without any problems.
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Which is exactly why I said, "If you want strict testing, don't go with an NPC show".
 
HITscientist said:
Smeton,

Where are you from that you would consider IDFA & NGA?

I've competed several times in both. The NGA and IDFA are truly clean. The NPC "natural" shows, f**k no! I did one NPC natural show when I competed in the teen division, I won (I'm natty) but the guy that got 2nd was definatley not clean!

A true natural bodybuilder can win in the natural organizations. I work with 2 pro natural bodybuilders in the NGA and IDFA. 100% clean. I've won in the NGA before. Basically if you are "truly" natural, just pick your shows wisley.

Smeton, also if you've done Superdrol, how long ago? I know the NGA is 7 years clean. I think FAME, NPC Natural is 1 year clean.

What show you thinking of doing??
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NGA is five years clean> LOoks like Ill have to wait another three years.Unless I can get away with Superdrol.Im adding more mass anyways(DC =)) Damn I wish I never done it, It wasnt really impressive and not worth it. O well. Ive moved on. theres a show right by me September the fifteeth. Im no way in shape for it currently. Right now MY goal is to gain muscle mass without any unwanted fat. Much Respect to you! Got pics
 
smeton_yea said:
NGA is five years clean> LOoks like Ill have to wait another three years.Unless I can get away with Superdrol.Im adding more mass anyways(DC =)) Damn I wish I never done it, It wasnt really impressive and not worth it. O well. Ive moved on. theres a show right by me September the fifteeth. Im no way in shape for it currently. Right now MY goal is to gain muscle mass without any unwanted fat. Much Respect to you! Got pics
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There are ways to get around on a polygraph test or voice stress analyser test. I can guarantee you that the dudes that you are going against just used the real stuff not too long ago. When you get the test they are going to ask you to lie on few questions, the trick is to show a darn good reaction. Take your breath, hold it, hold your sphincter muscle tight, and tell whatever answer they want you to say. For the rest of the questions answer as you are exhaling. Now I deserve some reps for sharing my wisdom

Rep hore wanna be who doesnt molest goats regards
Grimmy
 
All I know is that real natural shows do rid some 99% of drug users. They guys look totally different. A heavyweight in a NGA show looks the same built as a middle weight in a "so called natural" NPC show.

Smeton, yes I have pics, but do not know how to post them on here????
 
pistonpump said:
i say on oceans thirteen dude just stepped on a thumbtack everytime he lied. it was in his shoe.
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Anything that shows a sudden heart beat increase works. Also, he might want to practice some breathing techniques if he is taking the polygraph. Just train to get a normal breathing pattern for 5 minutes everyday. Most of the time when people lie they try to control their breathing pattern which the machine can read. It is much easier to cheat the Voice stress analyser in my opinion.
 
HITscientist said:
All I know is that real natural shows do rid some 99% of drug users. They guys look totally different. A heavyweight in a NGA show looks the same built as a middle weight in a "so called natural" NPC show.

Smeton, yes I have pics, but do not know how to post them on here????
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You can upload them on photobucket.com if you have a digital. if you have regular pics you have to have a scanner to upload.
 
Grimmy said:
Anything that shows a sudden heart beat increase works. Also, he might want to practice some breathing techniques if he is taking the polygraph. Just train to get a normal breathing pattern for 5 minutes everyday. Most of the time when people lie they try to control their breathing pattern which the machine can read. It is much easier to cheat the Voice stress analyser in my opinion.
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I beleive in doing things right. If this "cheating the system" does work deep down you know you cheated and itll eventually catch up with you in some way , shape or form. Mentally or other-wise. know what Im saying bro
 
A anabolic user beating the system and winning a natural show... not much to be proud of in that except maybe you beat a test. IMO....

Smeton, I'll work on it. I have digital contest pics on my computer, just not computer savy enough to put on photobucket.
 
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