Fat loss after Holidays - 1st approach to Intermittent Fasting

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  1. sigh, fasting time today is going bonkers because I have friends who love late dinner AND chinese food.
    any suggestions?
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  2. Just go enjoy yourself socially with your friends. Don't over do it, try and keep it as clean as you can but enjoy your time with your friends. Extend your fast tomorrow, your fast doesn't have to be the same times every day. Its just recommended to get yourself on a schedule at a physiological level. For instance, normal fast:11-7/today you break fast at 10 pm, fast til 2 tomorrow to make up for the 3 hours. That's what's great about IF.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by jswain34 View Post
    Just go enjoy yourself socially with your friends. Don't over do it, try and keep it as clean as you can but enjoy your time with your friends. Extend your fast tomorrow, your fast doesn't have to be the same times every day. Its just recommended to get yourself on a schedule at a physiological level. For instance, normal fast:11-7/today you break fast at 10 pm, fast til 2 tomorrow to make up for the 3 hours. That's what's great about IF.
    agreed, plus start thinking about your calories on a weekly level too.... Helps with those binges...

    best thing i did during the holidays was work out on thanksgiving and new years mornings, i opened my fast with those big meals an hour after training and it was AMAZING!

  4. well, it could have been definitely worse. I luckily still feel full-ish so fasting today will possibly be easier
    this evening, after the workout, will eat some whole grain carbs.
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  5. another day of training. very little cardio but I did manage to fast up to 3pm. tomorrow is another night out so I'll try to contain myself a lot.
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  6. Just noticed this thread and scanned through. I started following longer fasting states about a year ago maainly due to too much flex in my work schedule it was difficult to have regular meal times. Fell back into it inadvertently come January. Subbed to learn and give feedback on what I've learned. It's an interesting concept all said and done. Not for everyone but certainly can be done with huge success after MUCH trial and error. Good luck. And don't worry if one day here and there you fall off from a lunch date or something... It's not that serious just don't make a habit.
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  7. I couldn't sleep last night, and by 3:00am I gave in and had a bowl of cinnamon life. 10 minutes later I passed out. Worth breaking my fast and diet for.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Ape McGrapes View Post
    I couldn't sleep last night, and by 3:00am I gave in and had a bowl of cinnamon life. 10 minutes later I passed out. Worth breaking my fast and diet for.
    To me, this says your macros aren't in check. Shouldn't be waking up midsleep to eat. Lesson learned the hard way.

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  9. Quote Originally Posted by OrganicShadow View Post
    To me, this says your macros aren't in check. Shouldn't be waking up midsleep to eat. Lesson learned the hard way.

    -OS-Team AppNut
    I agree and it may have been me dropping carbs lower. However I hadn't been able to sleep up to that point. So it wasn't waking from my sleep.

  10. lol I don0t understand. I think I eat a lot and the day after everything is good. another day I think I starve and the day after I weigh more.

    then again, the Leangains method could theoretically recomp without any change in weight, but I am not THAT blindly optimistic.
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  11. Well, 2 things you can do IMO. Eat the same diet consistantly, or weigh yourself less often; every week, once a month etc...

    I haven't weighed myself in over a year now. Was my 2012 resolution, and I renewed it for 2013. One of the best things I ever did for myself.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Ape McGrapes View Post
    Well, 2 things you can do IMO. Eat the same diet consistantly, or weigh yourself less often; every week, once a month etc...

    I haven't weighed myself in over a year now. Was my 2012 resolution, and I renewed it for 2013. One of the best things I ever did for myself.
    what? why?
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  13. Because the scale messes with your head and body composition isn't as easy as looking at the number. Water weight fluctuates 5lbs in a given day. I don't know what I weigh right now... Somewhere mid 160s. Should be eating with consistently anyway. That's just how it works.

    Ape, its possible. Did you replace those calories with fats or protein? Also consider micronutrients you need. But your saying its been this way before. If it is diet related here's one way to try and figure it out: as soon as you wake up what's your instinctive go to food source? There's something in there you need and subjectively know it has
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Ansem View Post
    lol I don0t understand. I think I eat a lot and the day after everything is good. another day I think I starve and the day after I weigh more.

    then again, the Leangains method could theoretically recomp without any change in weight, but I am not THAT blindly optimistic.
    Weigh yourself once a week on the same day.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by huggy77 View Post
    Weigh yourself once a week on the same day.
    Same time.

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  16. I understand, good thinking. so even if I don't weight myself but my trousers feel larger I should consider it a good sign?
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by OrganicShadow View Post
    Because the scale messes with your head and body composition isn't as easy as looking at the number. Water weight fluctuates 5lbs in a given day. I don't know what I weigh right now... Somewhere mid 160s. Should be eating with consistently anyway. That's just how it works.

    Ape, its possible. Did you replace those calories with fats or protein? Also consider micronutrients you need. But your saying its been this way before. If it is diet related here's one way to try and figure it out: as soon as you wake up what's your instinctive go to food source? There's something in there you need and subjectively know it has
    Good drop on the extra knowledge here.

    As for me;I really think it was a mix of not sleeping, and boredom. However, like I said it seemed to be exactly what I needed.

    First thing in the AM is my Alphamine, but this would usually be coffee.

    Hour later its protein pancakes and eggs. Oats, cottage cheese, and eggs are the main batter ingredients.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Ansem View Post
    I understand, good thinking. so even if I don't weight myself but my trousers feel larger I should consider it a good sign?
    Its hard to say because your log really could use more numbers. If your consistently getting 1 gram of protein per lb of body weight, your calories are where they have to be and your are exercising regularly the diet will work.

    I think the fast in a lean gains program has just enough positive impact on your hormones to really make the difference for someone who is stuck with their current diet.

    In regards to weighing yourself every day i can put on 8-10 pounds in a day on a carb refeed, so i would weigh myself on the same day every week and make sure that day was a low carb day (water weight).

    again, i would play around with something like this to get your baseline macros, http://www.1percentedge.com/ifcalc/

  19. That's an awesome page I use it everytime. Regardless of using IF or not it's just a good way to calculate macros for the diet and see where the numbers are. I have the print out in front of me as I'm rewriting my carb cycling.

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  20. that looks like an useful website .)
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  21. sooo... apparently I started to see a *beginning* of iliac crest (only when facing opposite light) yesterday after the training. I still think I am possibly deluded BUT STILL, it is something that never happened before.
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  22. I think I finally understood the meanng of "water weight", especially when eating carbs.

    have started taking alphamine + triazole, it does help with hunger suppression.
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  23. Hey whatever little things drive you to keep on keepin on.

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  24. do carbs influence water weight?
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Ansem View Post
    do carbs influence water weight?
    '

    Absolutely. Consider that all things a made and broken down with water. And osmosis plays a role as well. If a cell is filled with carbohydrates then water will rush in to maintain an isotonic concentration to the surrounding area outside the cell. It's important as for when it comes time to break down glycogen that water is essential to retrieving glucose molecules:

    (Glucose-Glucose) + H2O = Glucose + Glucose <---Glycolysis of glycogen into glucose monomers
    Glucose + Glucose - H20 = (Glucose-Glucose) +H2O<---Glycogenesis forming glycogen by binding of glucose monomers

    This is a very very simple model.... there's a lot more to it than that.

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  26. so the more carbs are eaten the more water they actually store.
    this explains a lot :P
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  27. During my fast can I have a low carb monster pretty sure its under 50 calories? Also cycling in a ECA stack im only taking them on my low calorie day then stop during my weight lifting.

    What do u guys think?

  28. again, I do not understand IF. one day I eat a lot and nothing happens, another I think I starve and I weigh more. ah well :P
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by rhino65 View Post
    During my fast can I have a low carb monster pretty sure its under 50 calories? Also cycling in a ECA stack im only taking them on my low calorie day then stop during my weight lifting.

    What do u guys think?

    Ultimately your calorie intake at this time should be zero. 50 is too much ill give you that right now. Ive done the Absolute Zero and its been ok but high amounts of citric acid might affect you - its person dependent with that. In addition, Martin Berkam also states you should never "drink" your calories but I break fast with a post workout shake while I prepare a monstrous breakfast.

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