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  1. Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    "On any given day, there are more than 8 million cows on U.S. dairy farms—about 14 million fewer than there were in 1950. Yet milk production has continued to increase, from 116 billion pounds of milk per year in 1950 to 170 billion pounds in 2004.(6,7) Normally, these animals would produce only enough milk to meet the needs of their calves (around 16 pounds per day), but genetic manipulation, antibiotics, and hormones are used to force each cow to produce more than 18,000 pounds of milk each year (an average of 50 pounds per day)."

    "at least 5% of milk on shop shelves is reportedly contaminated with Mycobacterium avium subsp. paratuberculosis (MAP), a bacterium linked to Crohn's disease."

    "Milk contains Insulin Growth Factor (IGF). IGF-1 is very rich in milk. It's doubly rich in modern milk, partly because cows have been selectively reared to produce milk during pregnancy. This milk is especially rich in oestrogen. On top of that, in the US cows are treated with bovine growth hormone (BGH), which is a growth hormone capable of further increasing milk yield by about 12 per cent. All this means a cow's daily milk production has gone from 3 to 30 litres. Not surprisingly, this milk has two to five times the amount of IGF-1, while the beef from a BST treated animals has about double the IGF. Casein, the protein in milk, helps to carry the IGF into us. The more milk you drink the higher your blood level of IGF-1."

    "In addition to digestive problems, milk has been linked to ailments ranging from acne and weight gain to heart disease, cancer and diabetes. Plus, according to a Harvard Medical School analysis of the evidence, milk does not protect against osteoporosis. The study revealed that countries with low calcium intake (just 300 mg/day) tend to have a lower incidence of hip fractures (an indication of osteoporosis) than those with higher calcium consumption rates."

    "dairy can cause digestive disorders and allergies. Most adults are unable to properly digest milk sugar (lactose). The enzymes needed to digest lactose typically phase out of the human body around age seven, when they would no longer be needed in nature. Your body responds to undigested lactose with mucous and inflammation.

    Excess mucous in your system will clog up your digestive and respiratory tracts. The common results are frequent colds, asthma, allergies, sinus problems, tumors, cysts, constipation, colon trouble, Candidiasis, and excess weight. People suffering from these conditions often experience “miraculous” recovery when they eliminate dairy from their diet or find a healthy milk substitute.

    Eating dairy products also contributes to an acidic condition in your body. An acidic body is the perfect environment for a wide variety of diseases. "

    "The cows are milked throughout their pregnancies and pushed to their limit of milk production, stimulating the release of stress and sex hormones into the milk. The presence of these hormones has been linked to the early onset of puberty of young girls in industrialized countries as well as the development of hormone related cancers (breast, prostate and ovarian). This is true, albeit to a lesser extent, of commercial organic milk as well.

    Cows on factory farms are exposed to high levels of environmental toxins from their feed, water and surroundings. The cow’s body naturally protects itself by storing these toxins in its fatty tissues and milk. Consequently, high levels of concentrated dioxins, pesticides and other toxins wind up in the commercial milk supply. When tested, modern milk shows a 400% higher pesticide level than an equivalent sample of grains.

    In addition to this contamination, all commercial milk is pasteurized and homogenized. Pasteurization is designed to kill harmful bacteria. It also destroys nutrients and the vital enzymes needed to digest the milk.

    Homogenization breaks apart the fat molecules so the cream and milk no longer separate. This practice has serious health repercussions. Homogenization allows the enzyme Xanthine Oxidase (XO) to enter the bloodstream instead of being excreted as it normally would. This XO enzyme passes easily through the intestinal lining. There it acts as little knives inside your veins and arteries, cutting away at the artery walls. Your body makes cholesterol to repair these wounds. This process leads to atherosclerosis, high cholesterol and heart disease. These diseases are now being discovered even in the bodies of very young children and homogenized milk is suspected as the cause."
    I knew you would come through! Less work for me trying to dig up info.. I think I have a couple actual studies bookmarked on my PC. When I get home from work I'll add it in
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    Milk, it does a body good!

    I say keep the milk if you like it, just make sure you keep your macro count in place. That probably means sacrificing some other food during the day, but should be doable. Part of the whole thing is finding what's right for YOU which is not necessarily right for everyone else. If I said you'd lose lots of weight being Vegan, does that mean you'd become a Vegan?

    I'm trying to cut to low single digits, so I've cut most dairy out (kept greek yogurt for post workout). However, for a guy like you I don't see the need to cut out milk right now if you enjoy it. I personally prefer skim milk, but it's up to you and fitting the macros/calories into your overall diet. If your weight loss stalls, maybe consider making changes. If you find something that works, stick with it until it doesn't meet your goals anymore!
    Agree 100% with the bolded portion
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    How about organic milk?

    See what you started Taman!
    Milk really is sort of a iffy topic that's why I originally said it's debatable. A big part of the reasoning why milk is bad is based on the milk that is in your local grocery store. There are problems that range from the source of the milk to the process it goes to before it gets to your grocers fridge. So one can argue: what about free range raw milk then? This is where it gets tricky.. I haven't really seen much info on why this is bad for you other than the argument that milk is a relatively new food to us and that our bodies haven't fully adjusted to the consumption of it, but I think alot of that research is based on theories and isn't too concrete.

    For the purpose of taman, if his goal is loosing weight then he will prolly be better off without it, for the purpose of health.. That will have to be a personal decision he will have to make after weighing the info
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  4. i know for myself i felt horrible when i used to drink milk. constantly bloated, skin issues, sinus clogging.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    i know for myself i felt horrible when i used to drink milk. constantly bloated, skin issues, sinus clogging.
    Never had that issue.

    But in actuality, if I am going to be more carb conscious, it does make sense to not add an extra 11 grams of simple carbs every time I have a protein shake. I do really not like Myofusion mixed with just water, so this morning I also tossed in a tbsp of extra light olive oil to see what that was like (when mixed with water). Actually seemed to make it a bit better. If it puts more healthy fats into my diet to burn while cutting carbs and makes the stuff more pleasant to drink, why not? At this point, about 90% of my dietary fat is from olive oil, flax seed/fish oil/Omega 3's, peanuts and peanut butter with a bit coming from my meats or cottage cheese.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by taman6886 View Post
    Never had that issue.

    But in actuality, if I am going to be more carb conscious, it does make sense to not add an extra 11 grams of simple carbs every time I have a protein shake. I do really not like Myofusion mixed with just water, so this morning I also tossed in a tbsp of extra light olive oil to see what that was like (when mixed with water). Actually seemed to make it a bit better. If it puts more healthy fats into my diet to burn while cutting carbs and makes the stuff more pleasant to drink, why not? At this point, about 90% of my dietary fat is from olive oil, flax seed/fish oil/Omega 3's, peanuts and peanut butter with a bit coming from my meats or cottage cheese.
    Sounds like a plan
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  7. Here's you daily dose of skittles.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by bluehealer View Post
    Here's you daily dose of skittles.
    NOM NOM!

  9. Quote Originally Posted by taman6886 View Post
    Never had that issue.

    But in actuality, if I am going to be more carb conscious, it does make sense to not add an extra 11 grams of simple carbs every time I have a protein shake. I do really not like Myofusion mixed with just water, so this morning I also tossed in a tbsp of extra light olive oil to see what that was like (when mixed with water). Actually seemed to make it a bit better. If it puts more healthy fats into my diet to burn while cutting carbs and makes the stuff more pleasant to drink, why not? At this point, about 90% of my dietary fat is from olive oil, flax seed/fish oil/Omega 3's, peanuts and peanut butter with a bit coming from my meats or cottage cheese.
    peanuts are too high in omega 6 and no omega3. almonds are a more favorable nut. you should replace peanuts and peanut butter with whole eggs
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    peanuts are too high in omega 6 and no omega3. almonds are a more favorable nut. you should replace peanuts and peanut butter with whole eggs


    Oh crap, I forgot the eggs. Thanks Anton, probably put down about 6-12 boiled eggs weekly. I don't usually get almonds because they have a lower protein content/cal compared to peanuts and peanuts are cheap and easy to get. Usually have a bag between breakfast and lunch and a second between lunch and the gym if I don't have a protein bar (which I have been forgoing due to carb content.)
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by taman6886 View Post
    Oh crap, I forgot the eggs. Thanks Anton, probably put down about 6-12 boiled eggs weekly. I don't usually get almonds because they have a lower protein content/cal compared to peanuts and peanuts are cheap and easy to get. Usually have a bag between breakfast and lunch and a second between lunch and the gym if I don't have a protein bar (which I have been forgoing due to carb content.)
    Change that to 6-12 daily.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by bluehealer View Post
    Change that to 6-12 daily.
    lol i was just about to say, i put down close to 12 hardboiled in one sitting sometimes. i usually average 14-18 eggs a day
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    lol i was just about to say, i put down close to 12 hardboiled in one sitting sometimes. i usually average 14-18 eggs a day
    I had to slack off a bit over the winter but the hens are starting to lay more as spring rolls in so I'll be bumping it back up. My bud brought me 2 dozen yesterday. I have my eggs hand delivered to work. The runner here has free range chickens.
    Taste the rainbow.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by bluehealer View Post
    Change that to 6-12 daily.
    420-840 calories?

    Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    lol i was just about to say, i put down close to 12 hardboiled in one sitting sometimes. i usually average 14-18 eggs a day
    980-1260 calories?

    What else are you guys eating? That seems REALLY high unless you're talking about egg whites with 1-2 yolks.

    I can understand 10-20 egg whites, but whole eggs seems high...

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    420-840 calories?



    980-1260 calories?

    What else are you guys eating? That seems REALLY high unless you're talking about egg whites with 1-2 yolks.

    I can understand 10-20 egg whites, but whole eggs seems high...
    I'll through out the white before the yoke, it's the best part of the egg.

    I eat a lot of fish, some blsl chicken breast, and tons of veggies and fruit.
    Taste the rainbow.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    420-840 calories?



    980-1260 calories?

    What else are you guys eating? That seems REALLY high unless you're talking about egg whites with 1-2 yolks.

    I can understand 10-20 egg whites, but whole eggs seems high...
    no no only whole eggs brother. i wouldnt dare throw out the yolk. i also eat vegetables, a can of salmon, steak/bison.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    no no only whole eggs brother. i wouldnt dare throw out the yolk. i also eat vegetables, a can of salmon, steak/bison.
    David Suzuki Foundation: In January 2001, BBC News produced a program "Warnings from the Wild, The Price of Salmon". The program cited a pilot study conducted by Dr Easton with David Suzuki Foundation. The study found that farm raised salmon and the feed they were fed appeared to have a much higher level of contamination with respect to PCBs, organo-chlorine pesticides and polybrominated diphenyl ethers than did wild salmon. It concluded that it seems that contamination in farm fish comes from the feed.

    EWG Report: In July 2003, the Environmental Working Group EWG released a report stating that farm raised salmon purchased in the United States contain the highest level of PCBs in the food supply system. In the report, EWG reported that farm raised salmon have 16 times PCBs found in wild salmon, 4 times the levels in beef, and 3.4 times the levels in other seafood. EWG recommends that consumers choose wild salmon instead of farm raised salmon, and they should eat an 8 oz serving of farm raised salmon no more than once a month.

    Science Journal: In January 2004, the journal Science warned that farm raised salmon contain 10 times more toxins (PCBs, dioxin, etc.) than wild salmon. The study recommends that farm raised salmon should be eaten once a month, perhaps every two months as they pose cancer risks to the human beings.


    Why do Farm Raised Salmon contain more PCBs than Wild Salmon?


    Fishmeal/Feed: Studies found that the fishmeal fed to farm raised salmon is highly contaminated with PCBs
    Farm Raised salmon are "fatter": farm raised salmon are generally bigger in size and contain more fat than wild salmon. PCBs are stored in fat and remain there for an extended period of time, therefore farm raised salmon contain more PCBs.
    I quit eating salmon. I also read, somewhere, there was a big imbalance between the omega 3 and 6 in farm raised salmon.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by bluehealer View Post
    I quit eating salmon. I also read, somewhere, there was a big imbalance between the omega 3 and 6 in farm raised salmon.
    yea exactly. i buy cans of Alaska wild caught salmon. they simply catch them, cut them up and stick it into cans. no farm raised salmon for me
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    yea exactly. i buy cans of Alaska wild caught salmon. they simply catch them, cut them up and stick it into cans. no farm raised salmon for me
    I didn't know they sold it that way. I thought all wild salmon gets sent to restaurants. Gotta get me some of that.
    Taste the rainbow.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by bluehealer View Post
    I didn't know they sold it that way. I thought all wild salmon gets sent to restaurants. Gotta get me some of that.
    yea go to the store and find canned salmon. pink is usually a dollar something and red is like $3 for 7.5oz. make sure it says wild caught
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  21. also, there is probably only a handful of restaurants in any city that use wild caught salmon. its way more expensive and doesnt have that popping red color that farm raised has (because its not fed dye).
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    i know for myself i felt horrible when i used to drink milk. constantly bloated, skin issues, sinus clogging.
    No one is picking a fight here.

    ok, so you're obviously lactose intolerant.

    no one is debating that lactose intolerant people shouldn't drink milk, obviously.


    I, as do most individuals of european descent, love milk and would drink it as

    water, if it wasnt so damn expensive here ( $3.30ish).

    The one thing i miss about colorado - gallons were $1.58!
    For me, the action IS the juice.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by soontobbeast View Post
    No one is picking a fight here.

    ok, so you're obviously lactose intolerant.

    no one is debating that lactose intolerant people shouldn't drink milk, obviously.


    I, as do most individuals of european descent, love milk and would drink it as

    water, if it wasnt so damn expensive here ( $3.30ish).

    The one thing i miss about colorado - gallons were $1.58!
    i see that you didnt read the stuff i posted about milk. I myself am from Europe and that doesnt give me any more reasons to drink that nasty $hit.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    i see that you didnt read the stuff i posted about milk. I myself am from Europe and that doesnt give me any more reasons to drink that nasty $hit.
    I read it. However, my emperical evidence contradicts it. IT is actually the single most laughable and ridiculous piece of fiction i've read in quite some time on AM.

    If pasteurization kills all the nutrients, how can i build muscle from protein gotten from milk?

    Why am i not getting sick from all the alleged pesticides?

    I don't get frequent colds. i am allergic to nothing. I don't have excess mucous. No constipation. No bloat or gas.

    I don't have digestive problems. I dont have astma.

    Amazingly, i exhibit zero of these supposed facts.

    All due respect of course. I am not battling you on this. I am saying they don't have any idea what they are talking about. Or I am a superhuman. I have a hard time believing something so completely opposite to decades of contrary experiences.
    For me, the action IS the juice.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by bluehealer View Post
    I'll through out the white before the yoke, it's the best part of the egg.
    Quoted for truth, I remember the days of eating egg whites. Gimme them whole eggs.
    Just inject.
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  26. Mar 11, 2011
    Name: Day 4, wk 8
    Start Time: 04:55 PM
    End Time: 06:00 AM
    Duration: 1:05
    Notes: Lifting proceeded by 5 minute warm up.


    # Exercise Name Set Lbs. Reps

    1 Barbell Squat To A Bench
    #1 185 8
    #2 225 8
    #3 275 5
    #4 315 2
    #5 225 12
    After a month of working on flexibility, I finally have reached sub parallel squatting. Warm ups at bar, 135,, sets 1(185), 2 (225) and 3(275) were down to a bench, sets 4 and five were to parallel with out bench. No belt any sets.

    2 Romanian Deadlift
    #1 235 8
    #2 235 8
    #3 235 8
    #4 235 8

    3 Leg Extensions
    #1 190 12
    #2 190 12
    #3 190 10

    4 Lying Leg Curls
    #1 80 12
    #2 80 12
    #3 80 10

    Today's dietary info so far:1767 cals (68 carbs, 162 protein, 95 fats). Please note that rather than I cheat day, I am having a cheat meal of General Tso's chicken. Estimated output, 4226, so should still be at somewhat of a deficit.
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  27. Interesting day, 8 year old had a youth wrestling tournament, he did not do so well but at least he is starting to get more aggressive. Anyways, was a fun day with him and my oldest, my get back on the mats myself next year .

    Anyways, a bit off on the macro's today, but low cals at least.

    2388 cals, (162 carbs, 170 protein, 118 fats) with estimated output of 3688 for an even deficit of 1300. Taking a week off of the iron but plan on at least 3 days of doing some cardio, come back refreshed and ready to go.

  28. It must be taking a lot of dedication to remain in that large of a deficit. I go under by 400-500 calories and I'm starving.
    Just inject.
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    It must be taking a lot of dedication to remain in that large of a deficit. I go under by 400-500 calories and I'm starving.
    Appreciate the props HTS. I have been running this kind of deficit since May 2010 until I started the Halotest run in November and really started packing on the pounds and kind of said "screw the scales, let's go strength gaining" and shot up from 285 to 322 Would be 250 now if I had avoided that, but live and learn.

    Anyways, point is that I am accustomed to this and the weekly cheat day/meal helps put off cravings ("You can wait!") Although I will admit I do hit the occaisional midnight snack grab but try to keep that to a minimum and sane when it happens.

    Anyways,

    Did 12 30x30 HIIT cycles at 6/15 and 8/15 resistance levels and then coasted a bit. 151 cals total. Nutrition info later. Am on track so far today except my protein is down a bit low.

  30. My favorite midnight snack - 2 scoops whey, tbsp almond butter, and some almonds. Mix all together with a tiny bit of water and pop in the freezer for a couple minutes. It is delicious!!!!! And has a pretty healthy profile to it
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