CKD and cardio

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  1. CKD and cardio


    Hey people, I started doing CKD about 3 weeks ago, getting more used to it and having higher energy now, so that's a plus. I was wondering if doing HIIT or just medium-intensity cardio for about an hour is OK while doing CKD. And also what a good fat burner would be while on CKD, other than the ECA stack. I'm 150 lbs, 14%-15% BF


  2. HIIT in the morning on an empty stomach + the CKD diet is great, altho I for one would not do an hour, I think 20-30mins is enough. Are you lifting weights at all?

    What kind of fat burner did you have in mind a stim or a non stim? I like to use albuterol as my stim and use lean xtreme for its cortisol control and fat burning properties. I have yet to try DCP, but I have only heard great things about it, it is a non stim fat burner as well.

    ~GX
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by GXbcmFTO View Post
    HIIT in the morning on an empty stomach + the CKD diet is great, altho I for one would not do an hour, I think 20-30mins is enough. Are you lifting weights at all?

    What kind of fat burner did you have in mind a stim or a non stim? I like to use albuterol as my stim and use lean xtreme for its cortisol control and fat burning properties. I have yet to try DCP, but I have only heard great things about it, it is a non stim fat burner as well.

    ~GX
    Agree with the HIIT.

    Just wondering why you would suggest it on an empty stomach, anytime I hear the argument for empty stomach cardio its in favor because the body would burn more fat rather than anything else, essentially this is what we attain in keto.

  4. This is terrible advice, in my opinion.
    Quote Originally Posted by GXbcmFTO View Post
    HIIT in the morning on an empty stomach + the CKD diet is great

  5. That's what I'm looking for as far as supps, thanks

    About the HIIT on empty stomach, like Thomas said, why empty stomach? I would just end up needing to eat more fat that day to make up for it right?
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  6. The main issue is the fact that you said you are on CKD. Low-carb diets and high-intensity cardio lead to muscle wasting. Whenever I am doing low-carb, I stick to medium-intensity treadmill work. 3mph @ 5-10% incline.

  7. And to answer your supplement question, I prefer PAL Leviathan (though USP ReCreate was good as well). I am one of the very few people (maybe the only one?) that hasn't seen any added benefit from DCP, but it appears to be very solid from reviews. I used to use ECA stacks in the past, but I prefer the two mentioned above to ECA now.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by tribaltek View Post
    The main issue is the fact that you said you are on CKD. Low-carb diets and high-intensity cardio lead to muscle wasting. Whenever I am doing low-carb, I stick to medium-intensity treadmill work. 3mph @ 5-10% incline.
    I tend to disagree slightly. Your endurance might suffer from ckd but I do not think 20min of intense cardio is going to cause muscle wasting on an empty stomach.

  9. Regardless of our varying opinions, please make sure you have some BCAA's in you at the very least if you are doing any kind of "empty stomach" cardio.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by SureShot View Post
    I tend to disagree slightly. Your endurance might suffer from ckd but I do not think 20min of intense cardio is going to cause muscle wasting on an empty stomach.
    I agree with this, endurance will most likely suffer, however 20-30mins of 400m sprints is not going to lead to much muscle loss if any, especially if you eat shortly there after. I would recommend BCAA's tho as tribaltek suggested.

    ~GX

  11. Quote Originally Posted by GXbcmFTO View Post
    I agree with this, endurance will most likely suffer, however 20-30mins of 400m sprints is not going to lead to much muscle loss if any, especially if you eat shortly there after. I would recommend BCAA's tho as tribaltek suggested.

    ~GX
    Agreed completely. However, I am sure there were not bcaas around in bulk back when hunter gatherers had to probably do HIIT to kill their food for the day...and they were ripped.

  12. Being "ripped" like a caveman (I assume you mean scrawny and starving?) and retaining a high percentage of LBM are two totally different ball games, bro.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by tribaltek View Post
    Being "ripped" like a caveman (I assume you mean scrawny and starving?) and retaining a high percentage of LBM are two totally different ball games, bro.
    Point taken but I really do not think that using bcaas before/during 20min of total activity is going to make much of a difference. Are we talking performance or appearance here? I agree that for performance/endurance that bcaas as well as a carbo source will definitely help. I have done HIIT while drinking xtend for a month and done it for 2-3months 4-5x per week while drinking crystal light and have not noticed any difference.

  14. I'm speaking purely about anti-catabolism.

  15. Hmmmm, so BCAAs beforehand and how long afterwards should I eat? I'd be waking up around 5 or 5:30, then need to be at school which is a half hour away, at 8. I'd wanna eat around 6:40, would that be OK?

    And thanks for the supp info again, I will prolly go with either DCP or Leviathan.

    Some days I may do the medium-intensity cardio, then prolly 2-3 times a week do fasted HIIT. I do also do weights by the way, so the medium intensity will be on workout days, and the fasted HIIT will be in the mornings of my break days.

    Would it be good for me to do HIIT on Fridays, after the final workout, but before my carb-up begins?(Goes till midnight sat)

  16. Quote Originally Posted by SureShot View Post
    I tend to disagree slightly. Your endurance might suffer from ckd but I do not think 20min of intense cardio is going to cause muscle wasting on an empty stomach.

    I don't think CKD will cause any lapse in cardiovascular capability, endurance wise anyway. From all the CKD stuff i've read, endurance isn't effected.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by ThomasRivera View Post
    I don't think CKD will cause any lapse in cardiovascular capability, endurance wise anyway. From all the CKD stuff i've read, endurance isn't effected.
    in a twenty minute HIIT session endurance is not a factor regardless.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by tribaltek View Post
    I'm speaking purely about anti-catabolism.
    As am I. I do not see 20min of HIIT being catabolic.

  19. Alright, so it's not catabolic, I still need the BCAA's right? And I put some questions in my last post ^^^^^^

  20. Quote Originally Posted by ShadowFury View Post
    Hmmmm, so BCAAs beforehand and how long afterwards should I eat? I'd be waking up around 5 or 5:30, then need to be at school which is a half hour away, at 8. I'd wanna eat around 6:40, would that be OK?

    And thanks for the supp info again, I will prolly go with either DCP or Leviathan.

    Some days I may do the medium-intensity cardio, then prolly 2-3 times a week do fasted HIIT. I do also do weights by the way, so the medium intensity will be on workout days, and the fasted HIIT will be in the mornings of my break days.

    Would it be good for me to do HIIT on Fridays, after the final workout, but before my carb-up begins?(Goes till midnight sat)
    Yes to all.

  21. Alright, thanks.

    Should I have my post-workout shake(100% Gold Pure Whey, or something like that) after I do HIIT? I'm thinking the food will be good enough, but just checking.

  22. I still believe high intensity cardio on a low carb diet (on an empty stomach even) is not the way to go. You can tell me all day that it isn't catabolic, but I just can't agree.

    Now if we were talking about a diet with "regular" 40/40/20 type macros, then I would totally agree with you. But seeing as he is going to be in a glycogen depleted state, catabolism is going to occur.

  23. Well, I'm going to do it for 10-12 mins for a week or so and see what happens, or until we can get a definite answer on the " is it catabolic" question

  24. I don't have a degree in the field or anything, I'm just telling you from personal experience.

    Maybe Bobo or someone in that caliber can post and school us all.

  25. I agree with trib. I have been doing CKD for 2.5months now and have lost 30lbs of fat and have gotten the strongest I have ever been. I would suggest doing 30-45min of elliptical or stairmaster after heavy weights.
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