Yohimbine Homebrew

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  1. WELL THERE THEY ARE YOU GUYS OWE ME BIG... hehehe. Talk to ya.

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    WOW! You never cease to amaze me Curt! Everyone be sure to give a big thanks to the man

    Chemo
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  3. Wewp! We definately all owe you one curt!

  4. Ahhh both of you just shut up and post something good for once.... hehehe...
    Talk to ya..
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    Curt

    I am absolutley astounded at the amount of work that you have put into this thread, I am impressed.














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  6. Ok here is a little more...
    We may need to put some alcohol in but just to make a menthol solution... Here is what i came up with. I can get 500g of menthol crystals for 50cad 30usd... it takes 66mg disolved in 100ml of ISO to make a 75% menthol solution(same as cornmint oil)... This would take the place of the cornmint oil. menthol crytals are more redily avalibe and cheaper I think. And here is why....

    You take 500g mentholdisolve it in 750ml of ISO and you get 750ml's of 75% solution menthol.....
    If we use 15% in the recipe then we need 36ml/240ml bottle..
    Then we can get the menthol for 20.8 bottles for about $35.. That s for about $1.70/ bottle fo4r the menthol. Now thats not too bad... Here would be the price aprox for the recipe that I will use...


    48% aloe $1.00
    25% water(free)
    15% menthol(in alcohol) solution $1.70
    10% PG $0.20
    2% DMSO$0.50
    Y-hcl 3.5g for 1month supply...$17.50

    Well what do you guys think about $21.00 Is that going to cut it...
    This is a minimal ingredient recipe for least dollars..........

    PS. I did not do the calc on the solution. My sister in law did and she is in chem eng so i trust it.. But I did really figure it out. Yeh thats what we wil go with.. hehehe Talk to ya..

  7. curt2go,

    Looks good bro. Did you mean 66g instead of mg for the menthol? If it is 66mg, you would get much more than 20 bottles out of 500g, no? Are you going to mix some up soon and give it a shot?
  8. Ok, tell me what you guys think.


    There's an article in Duchaine's Dirty Dieting called The Art of Spot Reduction. It basically the states that there is such a thing as spot reduction(we all know this) and goes on to explin a more involved method than simple Yohimbine.

    The steps include:

    1. Increasing cAMP in the area in which the fat loss is desired. The methods they recommend are injectable clenbuterol or albuterol.

    2. Once cAMP is elevated in the fat cells, an enzyme called phosphodiesterase(PDE) wil appear. PDE destroys cAMP so we have stop take care of the PDE. Two PDE inhibitors are suggested (amrinone & milrinone), but they are next to impossible to get. The next best things for destryoing the PDE's are theophylline or caffeine.

    3.The next step is either destoying or blocking the Alpha 2 receptors. One unatainable drug called atipamezole detroys them and as we all know, Yohimbine blocks them.

    4.The more cAMP rises, the more adenosine is found in the fat cells. Adensine needs to be blocked also, but the caffeine or theophylline will do the trick.

    5. Start slow with each step. First as the beta agonist, then a few days later the PDE inhibitor and lastly the Alpha 2.

    I was thinking of using albuterol or a mixture of albuterol and forskolin to raise cAMP, theophylline & Yohimbine, in three different transdermal mixtures.

    Has anyone else read this article or have any suggestions on what trans mixture might be best for each compund??

  9. Originally posted by curt2go
    Ok here is a little more...
    We may need to put some alcohol in but just to make a menthol solution... Here is what i came up with. I can get 500g of menthol crystals for 50cad 30usd... it takes 66mg disolved in 100ml of ISO to make a 75% menthol solution(same as cornmint oil)... This would take the place of the cornmint oil. menthol crytals are more redily avalibe and cheaper I think. And here is why....

    You take 500g mentholdisolve it in 750ml of ISO and you get 750ml's of 75% solution menthol.....
    If we use 15% in the recipe then we need 36ml/240ml bottle..
    Then we can get the menthol for 20.8 bottles for about $35.. That s for about $1.70/ bottle fo4r the menthol. Now thats not too bad... Here would be the price aprox for the recipe that I will use...


    48% aloe $1.00
    25% water(free)
    15% menthol(in alcohol) solution $1.70
    10% PG $0.20
    2% DMSO$0.50
    Y-hcl 3.5g for 1month supply...$17.50

    Well what do you guys think about $21.00 Is that going to cut it...
    This is a minimal ingredient recipe for least dollars..........

    PS. I did not do the calc on the solution. My sister in law did and she is in chem eng so i trust it.. But I did really figure it out. Yeh thats what we wil go with.. hehehe Talk to ya..
    Curt, first of all thanks bro for reposting the thread! your a good bro!

    I like the idea of using dissolved menthol crystals in the solution. But I am still a bit weary on the DMSO. This is a new formula I came up with that should be close to yohimburn's formula:

    50% Aloe
    34% Water
    6% L-Menthol
    10% - Glycerol
    3.5 g y-hcl (4oz bottle) or 7 grams for 8oz bottle


    I think duplicating yohimburn's formula is the cheapest and most effective way of creating a yhcl homebrew. Yohimburn has been reported by many to deliver the results it claims - on the spot fat reduction. If we can duplicate it then I would think we would have a pretty good homebrew.

  10. Hey NDN as far as I know the l-menthol is pepermint oil which is only 43% menthol and if you are using only 6% do you think that is enough...

    Hey skazzel good catch. i did mean 66g of menthol..

    I also thought of the 3.5g in 4oz but I want ot see how easy the yom disloved first.... I will be getting some yom soon and the menthol i can get any time.So I will be trying it soon..If 3.5g will disolve in the 4oz then we can get 41.6 bottles worth out of the 500g of menthol. Talk to ya...

    Hey with that article do you think that some caffine in the mix would be benificail? Talk to ya..

  11. Menthol is on the way....hehehe. So is the Y.. Should be fun to see if it works..It will don't worry! Talk to ya..

  12. Originally posted by curt2go
    Hey NDN as far as I know the l-menthol is pepermint oil which is only 43% menthol and if you are using only 6% do you think that is enough...

    Hey skazzel good catch. i did mean 66g of menthol..

    I also thought of the 3.5g in 4oz but I want ot see how easy the yom disloved first.... I will be getting some yom soon and the menthol i can get any time.So I will be trying it soon..If 3.5g will disolve in the 4oz then we can get 41.6 bottles worth out of the 500g of menthol. Talk to ya...

    Hey with that article do you think that some caffine in the mix would be benificail? Talk to ya..
    For my 240 ml mixture, i added 15ml of peppermint oil (6%). I did this because the guys who created yohimburn use a ratio of 8 parts aloe to 1 part peppermint oil. Not to mention the scent is pretty damn strong for such a small amount, i couldnt imagine it being stronger.

    I didnt have much of a problem dissolving the stuff. I used hot water and mixed in the y-hcl and mixed it until it dissolved. Mess around with it and let us know how much you can get.

    For the caffine I have always thought it would be a good idea. The y-hcl transdermal causes you to hold water, while caffine, which is a natural diruetic, can take care of this problem. But for this purpose i think that Aminophylline would be a better choice. It is what many other transdermal fat loss products use to remove water weight.

  13. Originally posted by ndn diablo
    For the caffine I have always thought it would be a good idea. The y-hcl transdermal causes you to hold water, while caffine, which is a natural diruetic, can take care of this problem. But for this purpose i think that Aminophylline would be a better choice. It is what many other transdermal fat loss products use to remove water weight.
    Isn't aminophylline controlled?

    Chemo

  14. Originally posted by Big Daddy Chemo


    Isn't aminophylline controlled?

    Chemo
    Aminophylline is a fat-soluble version of the drug theophylline, an asthma control drug that also breaks down fat. Its the active ingredient in dozens of over the counter transdermal weight loss products.

  15. Why don't we just get Mini-Bing to test the LipoDerm-Y solution? That is if Par hasn't put a hit on the guy! Anyway, I have used LipoDerm-Y and I didn't notice a thing and I was only 8% BF at the time, I sent it back for a refund.

  16. We don't need Par's formula here. Yohimburn is simple it works and its cheap to reproduce... Talk to ya.

  17. Originally posted by curt2go
    We don't need Par's formula here. Yohimburn is simple it works and its cheap to reproduce... Talk to ya.
    Agreed. One of the reasons many of us choose to homebrew is to save money. If you plan on spending the money on purchasing all the ingredients par uses in his formula and trying to make a copy of lipoderm-y, you might as well goto 1fast400.com and buy the real thing.

  18. Originally posted by ndn diablo


    Agreed. One of the reasons many of us choose to homebrew is to save money. If you plan on spending the money on purchasing all the ingredients par uses in his formula and trying to make a copy of lipoderm-y, you might as well goto 1fast400.com and buy the real thing.
    To get all the ingredients for LipoDerm maybe, but I have bought all the ingredients that are in his pro-hormome gel and while it was kind of a pain geting them all together, I will save tons of money doing multiple cycles. I have never used Yohimburn, it just may work better than Par's formula, but I would be surprised if it did. Par, like him or not, knows transdermal delivery better than anyone else I know.

  19. Anyone can portray themselve to be knowledgeable. Look at me....hehehe. Yeh I hear what you are saying but to buy all par's formula stuff i don't know if you will save money.. Why don't you price everything out and let us know.Then we will all know.. Talk to ya

  20. OK guys

    Probably a rookie question, so bear with me. Do you apply this to areas that are fatty, or is it absobed and transported throught the body like PHs.

    As always thanks for the help

  21. It is a spot remover.... Just rub on fatty area and whalla. Its gone(hopefully)..


    Talk to ya.

  22. Well you know how we were thinking about caffine in the mix well my wife sells Beuti control and they have a celulite remover product. It has a whole bunch of big chems in it but it does has caffine in it.. SO it looks like it might be a good idea... Can anyone speculate on how much /dose.... 50mg??????? Talk to ya..

  23. 60% aloe to make it a gel
    10% propylene glycol(a must for hydrphilic substances)
    10% d-limonene( shown to be a good penetrant for hydroliphics)
    8% water (It will promote absorption of hydroliphics)
    2% DMSO(cause it helps anything to get in)

    I think this was Curt2gos last recipe. I am getting the stuff together. Is this the final recommendation?

    We are putt 3.5 grams of Yo in 240ml. Right ?

  24. Nope. That one is old. Here is my latest...

    48% aloe
    25% water
    15% menthol(in alcohol) solution
    10% PG
    2% DMSO
    Y-hcl 3.5g for 1month supply...

    This is what i will be using as soon as everything gets here. I still have to order some yom though.. talk to ya

  25. Originally posted by curt2go
    Nope. That one is old. Here is my latest...

    48% aloe
    25% water
    15% menthol(in alcohol) solution
    10% PG
    2% DMSO
    Y-hcl 3.5g for 1month supply...

    This is what i will be using as soon as everything gets here. I still have to order some yom though.. talk to ya
    I thought based on the post by BDC that glycerol would be a better choice than PG in our homebrews? I know that he was talking about with PH/PS but would it matter with Y-CL as well?

  26. Originally posted by curt2go
    Nope. That one is old. Here is my latest...

    48% aloe
    25% water
    15% menthol(in alcohol) solution
    10% PG
    2% DMSO
    Y-hcl 3.5g for 1month supply...

    This is what i will be using as soon as everything gets here. I still have to order some yom though.. talk to ya
    I thought based on the post by BDC that glycerol would be a better choice than PG in our homebrews? I know that he was talking about with PH/PS but would it help with Y-CL as well?

  27. I like PG i have lots and it is easy to get. The reason that BDC likes the gyc better is that it worked more effiecintly with ISO.... You can use it if you like.. Obviously but I'm just going to use PG.. Talk to ya

  28. Originally posted by curt2go
    Anyone can portray themselve to be knowledgeable. Look at me....hehehe. Yeh I hear what you are saying but to buy all par's formula stuff i don't know if you will save money.. Why don't you price everything out and let us know.Then we will all know.. Talk to ya
    Curt, lol. Glad you have a sense of humor and took my joke about being "hardcore" the right way. Just speculation on my part, but DMSO is such a powerful carrier that it may push the yohimbine right into your system and defeat your intent of "localized delivery" for spot-reduction.

  29. The thing about the DMSO is that it gets things accross the SC. It disrupts it very good and pull things in. Well with the ph fromula we put it on thin skined areas becasue we know there is blood vesels there. Well with fatty areas there is not too many blood vesels in fat. Am I correct?... If my theory is correct then the DMSO will get the yom very quickly across the SC and on the other side of the SC is fat with no blood vessels. The DMSO has done its job to get the yom across it not like it digs deeper.... SO the yom will be in the fat where ther is no blood vessels to do its work. It is not going to carry the yom farther than the menthol and other pe's they will all carry the yom the same length across the SC. But since ther is no blood vessels. It just leaves it there deposited in the fat.....

    Am I totally off base here or what... That is my theory anyways....Talk to ya..
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