Yohimbine Homebrew

curt2go · 10-21-2002, 12:59 PM

SKAZZEL:

Both l-menthol and benzyl alcohol can be sourced from theeyeofnewt.com.

curt2go · 10-21-2002, 01:00 PM

WARDOG:

I wouldnt suggest the DMSO. As stated, we want it to NOT get to the bloodstream, I think DMSO is going to not help us towards that end. As far as skazzels comment, I also highly recommend Eyeofnewt..great people, and great service.

curt2go · 10-21-2002, 01:04 PM

ME:

Here is some other considerations for menthol... look and see what you think. I don't know if any are cheaper but I will find out. Pepermint oil is a little expensive... Talk to ya

MENTHOL CRYSTALS IP/BP/USP-LARGE BOLD SMALL (MEDIUM /RICE /FINE)
MENTHOL CRYSTALS IP/BP/USP-LARGE BOLD SMALL (MEDIUM /RICE /FINE)
MENTHOL POWDER (FLAKES) TOTAL MENTHOL 97%
MENTHA ARVENSIS OIL (CORNMINT OIL ) TOTAL MENTHOL 75 %80% 88% 90%
PEPERMINT OIL DEMENTHOLISED (WITH TERPENES) NATURAL /RECTIFIED/ TRI -RECTIFIED TOTAL MENTHOL 50% MIN (L-.MENTHOL 38% 40 % DEMENTHOLISED MINT OIL BP) PEPPERMINT OIL PIPERTIA- FIRST CUT/ SECOND CUT/CONFIRMING TO BP /USP NATURAL /RECTIFIED
SPEARMINT OIL ( L- CARVONE 55% TO 95%) THYMOL BP/USP/FCC LIQUID MENTHOL 95% 98%
MENTHONE 95% 98% PLUS (L-MENTHONE 65% 70% 80% 90 % 95%)
L-MENTHYL ACETATE 98% PLUS
MINT TERPENES
CIS 3 HEXENOL 50% TO 95%
CIS-3HEXENYL ACETATE 93% PLUS
3 OCTANOL 97% PLUS
3 OCTANOL ACETATE 97% PLUS
MENTHA CITRATA OIL LINALYL ACETATE 70% 80% 85% (EX- CITRATA OIL )
BASIL OIL (MENTHYL CHAVICOL (ESTRAGOLE TYPE) MENTHYL CHAVICOL (ESTRAGOLE) 99% PLUS
ANETHOLE 99.5% PLUS (EX BASIL OIL)
LINALOOL 98% PLUS (EX BASIL OIL)
L-LIMONENE 80% 95% (EX SPEARMINT OIL TERPENES)

curt2go · 10-21-2002, 01:07 PM

ME:

Look like corn minto oil is very cheap. I have found it for $14 for 32oz. And from the article obove it is 80-95% menthol.. What do you think... Talk to ya

curt2go · 10-21-2002, 01:07 PM

ME:

Look like in this that it is only 40% menthol.. Let me know. talk to ya

curt2go · 10-21-2002, 01:08 PM

ME:

more on corn mint.... The oil is derived from steam distillation of the herb of Mentha Arvensis immediately prior to the inflorescence of the plant. This slightly thick liquid is pale yellow and has 70-88% of menthol as its main constituent. It forms crystals easily and is insoluble in water and blends well with Peppermint, Spearmint and wintergreen. It is used as a Masking agent, Herbal, Oral products (tooth paste and mouth washes), Mint and peppermint.

curt2go · 10-21-2002, 01:08 PM

ME:

This is why cornmint is better than pepermint for us......!! Talk to ya.. Peppermint (Mentha piperita) is an essential oil used world wide in the food and flavouring industries, especially for confectionery and toothpaste. It also has some use in the cosmetic industry. Peppermint oil can be derived from a number of Mentha varieties. The highest quality oil comes from M piperita which is the variety grown here in Australia and in the USA In other countries such as China and Brazil, the common crop grown is M arvensis or Cornmint. These oils have a menthol level of 80-85% (compared to the much more desirable levels of 43-49% of M. piperita) but these oils can be processed to reduce the menthol levels and hence substituted for M.piperita. This practice is declining as the major buyers look to M piperita for their high quality oil.

curt2go · 10-21-2002, 01:10 PM

ME:

quote: Originally posted by Big Daddy Chemo I'm not saying that iso should be the main ingredient but that it should be the main solvent. Maybe in the 20-25% range. Accordingly, I'm leaning towards Glycerol instead of PG for the Yo as well. DMSO in the 5% range. Chemo

Yom disolves in water does it not. If that is true then iso is not needed as a solvent it will disolve in the water just fine...??????? The second is yom HCL what we will use in the t-heat...

YOHIMBINE FORMULA-C21H26N2O3
MELTING POINT- 235 C. BOILING POINT- SUBLIMES SOLUABILITY WATER-SLIGHTLY SOLUBLE
ALCOHOL-SLIGHTLY SOLUBLE
ETHER-SLIGHTLY SOLUBLE
BENZENE-SOLUBLE WHEN HOT
ETHER- CHLORFORM-SLIGHTLY SOLUBLE RETURN TO INDEX

YOHIMBINE HYDROCHLORIDE FORMULA-C21H26N2O3.HCL MELTING POINT- 235 C.
SOLUABILITY WATER- SOLUBLE WHEN HOT
ALCOHOL-SLIGHTLY SOLUBLE
ETHER-INSOLUBLE ACETONE-INSOLBULE

What do you think...Talk to ya...

curt2go · 10-21-2002, 01:12 PM

ME:

Loks like we are not he only one sdoing this. I found this on some thread not related to bb... Very interesting...

Buy some 5mg yohimbine hcl caps from a supplement supplier, then buy some liquid aloe vera (the real deal, not the banana boat gel stuff), then buy either some plastic wrap & Ben Gay type cream (the menthol is the thing here) or Icy Hot patches. Either open up an Icy hot patch and sprinkle the contents of 4 of the yo' caps on it, or get your pastic wrap and brush on some Ben Gay creeam and then sprinkle the yo' on it. Prep your selected fatty deposit with an alcohol wipe, then a little aloe vera. Slap on your patch or wrap. If using wrap, you will have to secure the "wrap patch" somehow. I usually just wrapped more plastic around it (usually my waist since I was using it on my abs). I have found it best to do this before bed, since you may not want to go to work making the squeaky plastic wrap noise ... but if you are using the Icy Hot patch, you should be good anytime. The alcohol, menthol, and aloe are all carriers that will help the yo' get absorbed by the skin. I am going to start with the Icy patches within a week or so, just to finish up my cycle on the right note. LOL. All of the stuff listed above is readily available, is ALOT cheaper than Cutting Gel or Yohimburn, and will last longer. If you can't find yo' hcl in caps, www.supplementdirect.com carries it. And I gain nothing by sharing that with you all. They do good business and ship promptly.

Talk to ya

curt2go · 10-21-2002, 01:13 PM

ME:I LOVE TO HEAR MYSELF TALK SORRY!

Well after careful considerations I think this is what I will try... Just need the yom hcl now.... i will try to mix this tommorow and tell you how it goes.... Just a 120ml batch without yom...

48%Aloe gel**must be 100%** (PE and skin hydrator)
15%Isopropyl myristate(PE)
15%cornmint oil(80%menthol)
10%water(heated and yom put in)
10%Propylene Glycol(PE and skin hydrator)
2%DMSO(just because)

It should be very cheap to make the costly ingredient will be the yom @ 5$/gram from 1fast What do you think????

curt2go · 10-21-2002, 01:14 PM

SKAZZEL:

curt2go,
Good stuff. The l-menthol is a bit pricey, however I'm not sure how much will actually be needed. The reason for it's addition is to help the yohimbine penetrate the stratum corneum, which is the outermost layer of skin (composed of dead skin cells in a fatty matrix). This layer of skin is very thin, but is one of the most difficult barriers to bypass and without the l-menthol, most of your yohimbine will end up stuck here, bonded to dead skin. We only need enough l-menthol to effectively saturate the stratum corneum - any extra will be wasted.

curt2go · 10-21-2002, 01:14 PM

ME:

The l-menthol is a derivitive of menthol which is found in cornmint @ 80%...Yohimburn uses pepermint which only has 43-49% menthol and it WWWWAAAAAYYYYYY more expensive because it is more useful for flavoring at the lower menthol level. The cornmint is awsome and cheap for our application. Like I said in one of the threads like $14 for 32oz of cornmint... Talk to ya

curt2go · 10-21-2002, 01:14 PM

SKAZZEL:

curt2go, No alcohol in your latest recipe? Do you think the yhcl could be dissolved in heated aloe?

curt2go · 10-21-2002, 01:15 PM

ME:

It will disolve in heated water... Look a couple threads up it shows that yhcl is more soluable in heated water than alcohol.So it will be added to heated water then added to the rest of the brew. Talk to ya....

curt2go · 10-21-2002, 01:16 PM

ME:

skazzel here is more:

Yohimbine.HCl [Y1002]
Description: alpha2-adrenoceptor blocker.
Chemical Formula: C21H26N2O3.HCl
Molecular Weight: M.W. 390.9
Solubility: Soluble in Water (10 mg/ml).
CAS Number: CAS [65-19-0]
Active Product: N
Appearance: White to Off-White Solid Purity: >99%
Handling: Store in Tightly Sealed Vial. Storage: Room Temperature.
Shipping: Express Courier Literature Reference: 1. Merck Index., 1996., 12:, 10236..
Bulk Quantity: Inquire $0.00

curt2go · 10-21-2002, 01:17 PM

SKAZZEL:

curt2go, I am concerned about drying times with all of that aloe and water in there. I think 10 minutes is about the max anyone would want to have to wait around for it to dry.

curt2go · 10-21-2002, 01:17 PM

ME:

Thats why I am going to try it out. Yom free...... I love beta testing...... Talk to ya.... Just goto get my hands on some cornmint tommorow... then its all good. As far as the rubbing in I think it will be fine. With the 10% water we are we are only talking 2ml/application @ 30mg/ml(7g in 240ml) which is only .2ml of water which is not very much and 1ml aloe. Not very much at all... Uh oh just thought of something.. The thread above says disolves in 10mg/ml of water with only 24ml of water to get even 3.5g to disolve in just the water is 145mg/ml... Just thinking out loud here. i may have a problem........CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!! I am going ot have to think on this tonight.. Talk to ya...

curt2go · 10-21-2002, 01:17 PM

ME:

How the hell does everyone elso disolve it??????? it does not disolve in alcohol!!!!! **** CRAP DAM..... This pisses me off.....CRAP... talk to ya