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10-09-2002, 01:59 PM
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| Brewing Anabolic Minds  | Quote:
Looks something like this:
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10-09-2002, 02:01 PM
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| Homebrew Help, Inc.  | Looks like Par is double dipping.....!!!!!.. This is his formula in Purcu-lean. Click on perculean at the bottom and it atkes you to the facts. they are the EXACT same as Par's.Even the formula... HUH.. Juts thought it was interesting...  http://www.richgaspari.com/newslette...erculean_4.htm |
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10-09-2002, 02:08 PM
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| Brewing Anabolic Minds | Quote:
 Skip the BA, n-methyl, and laurocapram...still will have a kick ass brew! Chemo | |
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10-09-2002, 02:19 PM
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| Homebrew Help, Inc. | Here is another recipe and product... Take a look... IPM is in there???? http://www.netrition.com/global_liponiq_page.html |
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10-09-2002, 02:25 PM
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| Brewing Anabolic Minds | Quote:
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10-09-2002, 02:29 PM
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| Homebrew Help, Inc. | Here is something i have yet to figure out exactly. Yom has an oral boiavalibility of 22% read that somewhere. Does the yom go through the skin and deposit into the fat or is it supposed to go into the blood stream???? If it is supposed to go into the blood stream then it really won't work for spot reduction will it. If it is to go into the fat then the dmso might be tooo much. But if it is to go into the blood stream then why not just eat it with and eca???? we could call it an ecay stack!!!! Well let me know what you guys think... This is a major factor in the recipe. i think we have to figure this out first... Talk to ya... |
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10-09-2002, 05:24 PM
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| Registered User | Curt, It needs to go into the fat, otherwise we would just use the prohormone brew. Pars brew has science to back up why his is concentrated locally and works for spot reduction. The yohimburn doesn't have the literature, but the anecdotal evidence is huge and it no doubt works too. |
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10-09-2002, 07:07 PM
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| Registered User | as for 1,4-dione, big cat also wrote (or corrected) in his articles that 1,4-dione is better than diol, but i remember pa saying on bb.com that he didn't think there was any real proof of that... also some people have claimed good results with the diol... -5 |
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10-09-2002, 07:12 PM
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| Brewing Anabolic Minds | I agree with the 1,4-andro --> I have to see the proof or at least read the logic. An oral dione being more effective than a diol?? Sounds counter-intuative...if someone finds the article or thread where he makes the claim and offers proof post the link!! Chemo |
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10-09-2002, 07:55 PM
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| Banned | This is what llewellyn had to say: 1) The 17 beta-hydroxy group of converted boldenone is extremely stable with ingestion of the 1,4 andro. There is no need to search for another enzyme pathway (3BHSD). The diol likewise should have a much lower active conversion rate in comparison, not better. 2) The diol MAY impart eastrogenic activity due to the fact that its partially unsaturated A ring resembles Estradiol closely). I have seen no documentation to support this however, but PA's suggestion of this seems plausable. 3) It costs more to manufacture. Heres the link to the thread: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...highlight=diol but then agian his company does sell Boldione (1,4andro-dione), so he might not be 100% honest about this. |
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10-10-2002, 10:06 PM
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| Brewing Anabolic Minds | Well...it seems to me that the 17b-hydroxy is more stable and as in a diol it is already there. Now, the 3b-hydroxy should tend to be more stable in the keto form since this would increase the conjegation of the system. I see his point, though, since there is also another stable resonance form (estradiol) that may have a similiar energy content. Chemo |
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10-10-2002, 10:53 PM
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| Homebrew Help, Inc. | I can't even fake my way through this conversation...hehehe. Just let us know which one is better . gee wiz....   |
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10-11-2002, 12:35 AM
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| Registered User | What about: 50% Aloe 20% Isopropyl Alcohol 10% Benzyl Alcohol 10% Glycerol 10% L-Menthol I think the aloe will provide plenty of water. I'm not sure whether DMSO is a good addition or not? And l-menthol is preferable to limonene. |
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10-11-2002, 12:53 AM
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| Brewing Anabolic Minds | Also sounds like a good recipe... How about this one:
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10-11-2002, 01:46 AM
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| Registered User | BDC, My reasoning for the iso+benzyl alcohols was the article posted by megadeth regarding trans-phase delivery systems. What benefits will the IPM provide? Moisturizer? 35% Aloe 20% Isopropyl Alcohol 10% Benzyl Alcohol 10% IPM 10% Glycerol 10% L-Menthol 5% DMSO I think prehaps the next best step would be to source the ingrediants and some yhcl and try things out. A few things I'm wondering: 1. Will the aloe make it take too long to absorb / evaporate? I think ideally, it should be clear of the surface of the skin in 10 minutes tops. If the aloe is slowing things down too much, we could add more alcohol and lower the aloe. 2. Will DMSO get too much into the blood? It will be easy to tell the first time one tries this on himself  3. How strong is the scent from L-menthol? |
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10-11-2002, 10:49 AM
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| Homebrew Help, Inc. | I think the l-menthol is hard to get and expensive right. thta is why I suggested the derivitive d-limonene. Easy to get and cheap... Which is good for the homebrewer.... Also id benzyl alcohol easy and is it cheap. We should not even suggest things that are not easy to get and cheap.. Don't you think? I need to get some yohimbine first I have someone that will try it out.. Should I get it from 1fast????? Or chemo are you getting some soon? Let em know.. Talk to ya |
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10-11-2002, 11:46 AM
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| Registered User | The only thing I don't like about these brews is the DMSO. I won't be using it. I thought we were trying to keep the skin hydrated? Even at 5% my skin will get way too dry. |
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10-11-2002, 12:30 PM
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| Brewing Anabolic Minds | Quote:
I'm looking for a source for the powder but no luck as of yet. Chemo | |
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10-11-2002, 04:55 PM
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