A shame that such a good thread ended in flaming,bashing and name calling.So someone patended a transdermal delivery system. So what? There are millions of patents, thats not to say that this patented system is the best way, nor THE ONLY WAY, its not the holy gospel. As we all know there lead many roads to Rome. When Dan D, wrote in MM2000 about spotreduction everybody thought he was crazy, no such thing possible. Now injectable spotreduction is normal and broadly exepted,see Anabolics 2004. I was asked to brainstorm about the best way to deliver the active ingredients in Helios (yohimbine hcl, clenbuterol and T3) in a gel since many people prefer this method over frequent injections. I hope to find in this forum knowledgable members that are willing to cooperate with me, what I need is to find a gel or cream that is suitable for sale. After manufacturing we are planning to do a lot of "real life" testing with volonteers.