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    Quote Originally Posted by rockme View Post
    Body type is not reflective of bodyweight. You guys seem to be fixated on weighing over 200 lbs. A meso will have the upside down triangle structure with shorter legs and longer upper torso, women will typically have an hour glass figure. In addition to this, he will often have developed legs even as a juvenile. The meso also looks older than his actual age as a teen, displaying a mature look a few years beyond his age. They also gain weight and or lose weight quickly. Bone structure is also indicative, if your middle finger and thumb overlap your wrist and just touch.

    Ectos are rectangular shaped, have a flat chest and thin legs, have trouble gaining weight, and when wrapping thumb and middle finger around wrist they will overlap. They are also skinny and gawky looking as a juvenile, often looking younger than they actually are.

    Endos are round shaped with a high waist. They have a hard time losing weight, but an easy time gaining muscle. They also usually have smallish hands and short arms. They are often chubby as kids and display a maturity look that is often spot on or a little younger than they actually ar as a juvenile. When wrapping thumb and middle finger around wrist they do not touch.
    And my finger and thumb don't overlap but I definitely have issues gaining weight, and look younger than I am.

    Strange, I must be an anomaly. (Or maybe people aren't as cut and dry as you like to think)
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockme View Post
    My numbers are actually quite pathetic right now after being obsessed with bodybuilding/being lean for the past 12+ mos. But I've always looked stronger than I actually am, so I don't really care. I don't doubt you are stronger than me, but I'm pretty damn sure I look a hell of a lot better than you. But I digress... 315 dead, 225 bench, 275 squat. When I weighed 205 the maxes were 470 dead, 290 bench, 375 squat. Never been the strongest lb for lb. But have always been of the bodybuilding persuasion, so as long as my legs look like they can squat 405, and my chest looks like it can hit 315, it's all good!
    Another weak person giving out advice and critique on a strength template. There's a freaking shock. Seriously, one of my training partners 14 year old, 140lb DAUGHTER squats more than you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by napalm View Post
    Let's see, whose ideas and opinions on training gets more weight: a guy who squatted 1k, or some skinny douche on a forum who thinks he has huge legs and has a bad habit of repeating the definitions of ecto/meso/endomorphs for all to read?

    It's pretty clear to me...
    1k squat, huh? I believe you. But I would like to see the depth/form on that. Did you have a suit on with wraps, straps, big ass belt? I don't lift with anything other than occasional chalk; I'm not saying that makes me superior, just noting it. I also squat ass to the grass with plenty of TUT.

    I had to elaborate on the endo/ecto/meso terms because some of you endomorphs seem to think that what the scale says is the determining factor.

    You think my legs are skinny? Damn, I have got to see your wheels, dude. You must have some tree stumps! Put a pic up of them and I will do the same. In fact, put up a whole body shot and I will have my girl take a pic of me right now, cold, no food, no pump, and we will see who looks more like an athlete. Oh yeah, I am under the assumption you are natty. Yes?

    And what's with the name calling? Those are some mondo cyber balls you got there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockme View Post

    1k squat, huh? I believe you. But I would like to see the depth/form on that. Did you have a suit on with wraps, straps, big ass belt? I don't lift with anything other than occasional chalk; I'm not saying that makes me superior, just noting it. I also squat ass to the grass with plenty of TUT.

    I had to elaborate on the endo/ecto/meso terms because some of you endomorphs seem to think that what the scale says is the determining factor.

    You think my legs are skinny? Damn, I have got to see your wheels, dude. You must have some tree stumps! Put a pic up of them and I will do the same. In fact, put up a whole body shot and I will have my girl take a pic of me right now, cold, no food, no pump, and we will see who looks more like an athlete. Oh yeah, I am under the assumption you are natty. Yes?

    And what's with the name calling? Those are some mondo cyber balls you got there!
    He's talking about Jim Wendler, you know...the guy who has actually accomplished something as a lifter,and has years of experience that you (or many on this board) don't have. You must know who I'm talking about, since you think you know more than him.
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    ^^^^^ While equipped, I GURARANTEE the depth met the parallel requirement of every PL federation. Form? Really? It's not a press, you can't squirm your way to a 1/2 ton squat.

    You're arguing aesthetics in a thread about a strength program. We don't give a damn about aesthetics, we're here to push iron. Period.

    I, for one, simply do not care how you look. You are more "cut" than I am. Do you know why? Because I don't CARE about being lean. I want to be big, I want to lift heavy shyt, and that's it.

    Comprende?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    I agree. Fairly pathetic.

    I run distance every day (not by choice mind you), weigh considerably less than you (164 yesterday morning), and beat you on everything but BP (and you only have me by 5lbs.)....

    But you know more than Wendler, right?
    This is not unusual. There is a tall, skinny guy at my gym that stands 6'2 and weighs 215. He squats 500, pulls 575, and benches 320. But my physique is far better than his. What's your point? I never claimed to be the boss on strength. I am much more concerned with the finished visual result.

    I certainly know more about training and eating to look like a bodybuilder/athlete than Wendler. Or maybe I don't and he's just an undisciplined man with a sweet tooth and a taste for all things fried who prefers to hoist hevy weights with no concern for the visual reuslt. It's possible. I mean, this is a bodybuilding/powerlifting forum, so I was just under the assumption that we all trained to achieve a certain look.
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    I feel sad about what this thread has become...so much fail going on.

    Completely serious question...you really feel you added appreciable amounts of mass despite huge drops in strength over the past year?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockme View Post
    This is not unusual. There is a tall, skinny guy at my gym that stands 6'2 and weighs 215. He squats 500, pulls 575, and benches 320. But my physique is far better than his. What's your point? I never claimed to be the boss on strength. I am much more concerned with the finished visual result.I certainly know more about training and eating to look like a bodybuilder/athlete than Wendler. Or maybe I don't and he's just an undisciplined man with a sweet tooth and a taste for all things fried who prefers to hoist hevy weights with no concern for the visual reuslt. It's possible. I mean, this is a bodybuilding/powerlifting forum, so I was just under the assumption that we all trained to achieve a certain look.
    Powerlifting is about a look? WTF!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Another weak person giving out advice and critique on a strength template. There's a freaking shock. Seriously, one of my training partners 14 year old, 140lb DAUGHTER squats more than you.
    So what? I saw a 14 year old girl bench 275 (50 lbs more than me) on Dana Linn Bailey's youtube channel. She had all her gear on with the most insane arch and super wide grip that allowed for a paltry range of motion. I don't train that way. I train for hypertrophy. I want to get stronger of course, but not at the expense of the latter. The fact that your training partner's daughter squats more than me means absolutely jack squat to me. There are too many variables at play anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    I feel sad about what this thread has become...so much fail going on.

    Completely serious question...you really feel you added appreciable amounts of mass despite huge drops in strength over the past year?
    It was awesome to get into the kind of condition I did over the summer. Got lots of attention in the gym, but I got so impressed with it that I tried staying with it too long and did waste away some months that should have been rerouted back to mass and strength. BTW, I did use Erase Pro and ABE to assist me in getting there. Super pumped to run the same stack again this summer
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockme View Post
    So what? I saw a 14 year old girl bench 275 (50 lbs more than me) on Dana Linn Bailey's youtube channel. She had all her gear on with the most insane arch and super wide grip that allowed for a paltry range of motion. I don't train that way. I train for hypertrophy. I want to get stronger of course, but not at the expense of the latter. The fact that your training partner's daughter squats more than me means absolutely jack squat to me. There are too many variables at play anyways.
    By gear you mean wrist wraps, which are allowed in nearly every raw federation out there, and a legal width grip? An arch is the proper way to bench and the fact that you're trying to rationalize to yourself is pretty sad.
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    Ok I was just wondering because I think it would be a poor choice to neglect strength as an aspiring natty bodybuilder. All the best ones I follow seem to be strong as hell as well as being muscular..
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    Ok I was just wondering because I think it would be a poor choice to neglect strength as an aspiring natty bodybuilder. All the best ones I follow seem to be strong as hell as well as being muscular..
    Bingo. I have no clue as to why strength has become the bastard step-son of the lifting world, but it's one of the worst shifts in paradigm in the recent decades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    I cannot do that. But the range of motion is nothing. He would get much better growth if he sqauted all the way down and up, sans the gear too. But to each his own
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockme View Post

    I cannot do that. But the range of motion is nothing. He would get much better growth if he sqauted all the way down and up, sans the gear too. But to each his own
    Lol because you are more muscular than him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockme View Post
    I cannot do that. But the range of motion is nothing. He would get much better growth if he sqauted all the way down and up, sans the gear too. But to each his own
    You're straight up trolling now. :shaking:
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    Lol because you are more muscular than him.
    I will take my look and strength over his look and strength. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swanson52 View Post
    You're straight up trolling now. :shaking:
    I don't even know what that means
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockme
    I certainly know more about training and eating to look like a bodybuilder/athlete than Wendler.
    You know more about training than a guy who was strength coach at a D1 school?
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    It was awesome to get into the kind of condition I did over the summer. Got lots of attention in the gym, but I got so impressed with it that I tried staying with it too long and did waste away
    I don't think I've ever come across someone, even on the innerwebz, whose been so impressed with himself while accomplishing nothing
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    Wow! I thought I would read through and get some good advice! Time to close this thread because it's going nowhere fast!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Wow! I thought I would read through and get some good advice! Time to close this thread because it's going nowhere fast!
    There's no advice to give. Everything you need is laid out in the book(s) and the only people that ever have anything negative to say about it only used the system for a month when it is designed to be used for a minimum of six months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post

    There's no advice to give. Everything you need is laid out in the book(s) and the only people that ever have anything negative to say about it only used the system for a month when it is designed to be used for a minimum of six months.
    Agree Rodja. The comment was meant for the OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockme View Post

    I don't even know what that means
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    Quote Originally Posted by napalm View Post

    You know more about training than a guy who was strength coach at a D1 school?

    I don't think I've ever come across someone, even on the innerwebz, whose been so impressed with himself while accomplishing nothing
    I have been on various forums for over 10 years. I have seen many like him using the same debate tactics and they are all trolls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asooneyeonig View Post
    I have been on various forums for over 10 years. I have seen many like him using the same debate tactics and they are all trolls.
    Exactly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asooneyeonig

    I have been on various forums for over 10 years. I have seen many like him using the same debate tactics and they are all trolls.
    Nah Oz, the ego here is on another level. A 185 lb ahem...bb'er, whose physique redefines the term awesome, AND who knows more about training than a guy who trained D1 athletes and squatted 1k.

    This my friend is a special kind of moron...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Wow! I thought I would read through and get some good advice! Time to close this thread because it's going nowhere fast!
    Yeah man like Rodja said. Everything you need to know is in the book. Wendler is a very accomplished powerlifter and had been in the game awhile. His advice, pick a template and follow for as many cycles as you can and then adjust as needed. But main thing is the dedication to the program and following through. Results are not overnight and 531 is meant to be a long term program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by napalm View Post

    Nah Oz, the ego here is on another level. A 185 lb ahem...bb'er, whose physique redefines the term awesome, AND who knows more about training than a guy who trained D1 athletes and squatted 1k.

    This my friend is a special kind of moron...
    Definitely agree. The guy completely puts down a guy that is very accomplished and established in the iron game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post

    Agree Rodja. The comment was meant for the OP.
    Yeah...I popped in here to catch up on replies.... and back out I go - I've got some reading to do
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