- 12-12-2008, 10:02 AM
Alright, so here's my dilemma.... I have been noticing, that as of late, some of my lifts have been dropping in weight and or intensity... I have been struggling more with weight that I used to be able to nail. It's only some exercises though. Others are still progressing. Here is a typical week's workout schedule..... All workouts are done for 4 sets of 16, 12, 8, 4 reps unless otherwise noted...
Incline Flys (or Dec. Flys)
DB Decline (or DB Inc.)
Icarian Fly Machine
Cable Crossovers (or Low Cable Cross)
Push-ups to failure (one set of each: Flat, Dec, Inc)
DB Front Raises
Seated DB Rear Delt. Raises
BB Shrugs (or Behind the Back Smith Machine Shrugs)
Leg Extensions (very light weight, high reps. 4 sets ~50lbs - 30 reps)
Seated Calf Raises
Standing Calf Raises
Walking DB Lunges
Lat Pulldowns (behind the back)
Weighted Back Extensions
Reverse Grip Pulldowns
Seated Pulley Rows
Alternating Incline DB Curls
Forearm Curls (both ways)
Standing DB Preacher Curls (deep stretch)
Overhead DB Extensions
That's a typical week's worth of workouts for me, not mentioning cardio... But like I said, that's a perfect week. But we all know how sh*t comes up and we can't do what we'd like. So, some weeks it gets bumped down the line and I end up working out my back on Saturdays and arms on Sunday, then turn around and start over with chest on Monday.
I've started to notice a plateau in my Chest PRESSING exercises as well as a few Arm lifts. And a decrease in Military press and Arnolds...
I'm sure the Chest pressing has to do with arms a day or so before. I also hear that doing chest and back close together is a no no. I dunno, I feel like I'm just too fatigued and sore by the end of the week. Like i'm using the same muscles too many days in a row and not giving them proper rest.
How should I set up a 5-day split to better accommodate proper rest?
- 12-12-2008, 10:15 AM
When was the last time you took 5 or more days off? Sounds like you know you're overtraining but you don't want to take a break
12-12-2008, 10:26 AM
12-12-2008, 11:10 AM
No mention of age, which can be a factor.
But regardless of age, in my estimation, you are doing way too much. You don't need to set up a 5 day split, unless you bring volume way down. If you want to maintain volume, then you need to lean out the frequency to every other day.
And you need to take some time off before you do any of that.
12-12-2008, 11:21 AM
I used to do 3 sets of 10, 8, 6 roughly...
I just fully implemented the 4 sets of 16, 12, 8, 4 about a month ago probably.
I took about 2 weeks off due to illness about 2-2.5 months ago now I'd say. And if time constraints really become an issue any given week, I ditch the arm day...
And I do little things every week to switch up a little. For instance:
-I'll do DB Incline, Flys and Low Cable Crosses one week and the next week I'll do DB Decline, Incline Flys and Cable Crosses.
-Front Plate raises as opposed to DB Front raises...
-DB Shrugs and BB Shrugs one week and DB Shrugs and Behind the Back Shrugs the next...
-Standing Weighted Kickback instead of Lunges
Other than that, I haven't really had an EXERCISE overhaul per say. I always thought tweaking it a little here and there always kept the body guessing and growing.... Maybe i'm not tweaking enough? Ideas please....
BF: ~15% or so
12-12-2008, 12:52 PM
IMHO you are doing too much volume. Without AAS, you will be over training with that much volume. I was doing a very similar 5 day split last year when I was running test/anadrol. This year, I've been doing 3 day splits, much less volume, and have noticed that I am now at the same strength level as last year on cycle. I would suggest taking a week off, then switching up your routine. A lot of people have a misconception that more is better, and it is simply not true. It's the intesity of the workout. Hope that helps. ~freq~
12-12-2008, 04:48 PM
I'm definitely open to the idea that I'm trying to do too much and in turn it's having a negative impact on me. I guess I'm just looking for some workout examples that you guys have used and had success with.
12-12-2008, 06:09 PM
Everyone is different. One thing won't work for everyone. Blah blah.
No disrespect, but your workout plans suck. It looks like one of those 'Get Jay Cutler's Body' workout plans from Flex.
Freedom means nothing here.
12-12-2008, 07:24 PM
My current routine is a 3 day.
day 1, chest/biceps
day 2, back/triceps
day 3, shoulders/back
Been working excellent for me
12-12-2008, 07:26 PM
12-12-2008, 11:21 PM
12-13-2008, 12:20 AM
12-13-2008, 02:31 PM
12-15-2008, 06:33 AM
12-15-2008, 11:17 AM
12-15-2008, 01:30 PM
Its all going to be relative to your own individual diet and how hard you actually push yourself in the gym. Not to say you do or dont, but 3x10 with 155 on bench isnt anyhting like 3x10 with 255. You could be just annihilating yourself every time and with your diet, it is hard to keep up. You may just want to take one, even two weeks off and just do some light cardio and sprints everyday. You may feel like you are "losing it" but anything youve gained wont disspear that fast, especially if you're "overtraining." Im a firm believer in the philosophy that you cant over train, just underrecover.
12-15-2008, 05:55 PM
And as far as diet is concerned, I know I definitely need to pay more attention to what I eat. Not that I eat poorly, but I rarely keep track of caloric intake. I try and eat close to the same amounts or types of things every day. I estimate a 40/40/20 macro breakdown, but like I said, I haven't actually crunched the numbers. So, that may have something to do with it as well. Once I get the time, I will have to sit down and figure out my base meal plan and go from there.
Thanks for all the input/ideas so far guys....
12-15-2008, 06:02 PM
I mean, numbers and measuring your food is great and useful, but in the end, those numbers will all be relative to you. You may need more, just as part of your makeup. I think you just should overhaul your diet and make sure all meals and such around your workout are on point.
12-15-2008, 06:37 PM
Shifty, as FOG has said everybody is different. I'd try to scale back on volume and see how your results measure up.
This was a successful routine for me with about 12-16 sets each day:
Day 1: Vertical push/pull (Shoulders/back)
Day 2: Legs (Hams/Quads)
Day 3: Horizontal push/pull (Chest/back)
I like this routine because it gives me plenty of time to focus on lats, a trouble area of mine. I typically will only be lifting 3 days a week to give myself plenty of rest and time to grow.
I think the key thing for you to do is experiment with different volumes and intensities. For instance, you may get better results by not going to failure.
I've found my formula for success is low volume, med/high intensity 3-4 times a week. I've found that diet means about 5x as much toward results as what routine you do, however, I'd wager that your overtraining is limiting your results even with a perfect diet.
12-16-2008, 11:41 AM
Sometimes a little active rest is in order. Instead of just laying on the couch watching TV try doing another activity for a week. Basketball, soccer etc.
12-16-2008, 04:00 PM
12-17-2008, 02:30 AM
What are your goals? and your age?
I'm not posting to offend by any means but this looks like the type of routine a lot of the freshmen do at my school.
There is absolutely no way, without AAS, that you are able to keep intensity high with all those sets.
You'd be better off with either a MWF fullbody routine or a lower/upper split routine.
IMO, you should take a week off and take the time that you usually go to the gym and scour these boards and ask any questions you might have about routines, diet, supps or whatever else you have questions about and return the next week refreshed and ready to start a much better routine.
You'll probably be focused and hyped up more than ever knowing that your on the right track.
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