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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    being gmp certified does not prevent you from being a **** up. also, just cuz you were compliant with the rules when they audited you and gave you the stamp of approval doesnt mean you continue to do things correctly once they leave the premises
    this is quite true, not like its impossible to fudge some log book entries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flightposite View Post
    Agreed. It wasn't good that it happened and it is a shame. But Taurus didn't do this intentionally and they are trying to make up for it and move forward just like some other companies have done which I think is more the point of this thread. If anyone is to blame it's the Chinese.

    the way to move forward is to use me to identify what is in their raws. others that have screwed up ended up doing this and they have not screwed up since
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    Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    Should start a thread listing the names of all companies that comply with cGMP manufacturing practices, stick to ordering from those companies.

    but most of the companies in sports nutrition are not manufacturers. they are just marketers. GMP is for the most part relevant for manufacturers of the product
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    the way to move forward is to use me to identify what is in their raws. others that have screwed up ended up doing this and they have not screwed up since
    going a little off topic but what about when there is no known standard to test to - such as was the case for 95% nettle extract

    Oh almost forgot about the contest, I'm sure I could find some posts about the Nettle fiasco
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    Quote Originally Posted by scoooter View Post
    going a little off topic but what about when there is no known standard to test to - such as was the case for 95% nettle extract

    Oh almost forgot about the contest, I'm sure I could find some posts about the Nettle fiasco

    my testing is not quantitative. Its just to identify what I see in the sample. standards are necessary for quantitative analysis but not qualitative

    I use the mass spectrometer to identify what is in the material. It is pretty reliable and for qualitative purposes is fine.
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    I was going to reply to a post PA made but when I got to the laptop it was deleted.

    The answer to it is "not as far as I am aware" lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    I was going to reply to a post PA made but when I got to the laptop it was deleted.

    The answer to it is "not as far as I am aware" lol.
    the answer was around 50% from what i saw

    anyway lets just drop it and move forward. hopefully they will employ me to test their raws like almost a dozen companies have done throughout the years
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    Well, that makes more sense that your testing is qualitative since it explains a lot. Why not just contact me and tell me about it? I will never figure that one out...

    I will share with Patrick now, why I doubted his assertions. I had the 7-Keto-etio tested and it came back an exact match on MW and the chemist went so far as to describe the compound since no standard exists for it. So, when you said it "wasn't there" then I had no reason to believe the validity of any of your testing.

    One other point of clarification and I think Patrick should note this part since his products are "transdermals". 7-KE IS NOT AND WAS NEVER a dietary supplement, it was a cosmetic. As I stated upon launch it isn't a GMP product. As a cosmetic it's a different set of standards.

    Anyway, it appears that the amount is small anyway and that is what is the normal part of doing business with China, you pay for one thing and they "fudge" a bit on the purity, which is bull**** but it happens.

    Anyway, we are working more closely with our lab to develop what is an acceptable purity. Remember 95% pure is still 5% something else. I don't usually concern myself with such a small amount unless I know the starting material is a CIII. In this case I didn't think it was (it may not be since I am not a chemist). For example if I was going to order 1-DHEA I would certainly be nervous because I know 1-ADione is probably the starting material or at least a step in the process.

    Finally, I will shed some light on Taurus Big K. I've known this guy for 4 years and he ran into some major life problems. Since no one knows his real identity I will share a little. Drugs problem, wife left him, kids to feed etc... I paid for a flight to Michigan, let him stay with me and gave him a job with Taurus to help out with online promotions to help him try and get his life back in order . In a nutshell he couldn't handle it and I ended up having to fly him home with some cash in his pocket. So, for my charity I am out 3k and a bunch of really good reps.

    I try to help people and sometimes it backfires. I had no idea Taurus Big K would be such a mess to our reps. I can't believe he did that much damage in such a short amount of time. lol Sometimes trying to be kind and generous backfires and you get screwed but I just believe that in life one should try to help others who have lost everything. Usually it's for a good reason that they are broke, but occasionally your charity really pans out and the person turns his life around. If not for someone giving them the chance then they would never be able to get started. This one didn't work out but trying to help other people is never a failure for me even when they fail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

    the way to move forward is to use me to identify what is in their raws. others that have screwed up ended up doing this and they have not screwed up since
    If that's what work then I support it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taurus Nut.
    Well, that makes more sense that your testing is qualitative since it explains a lot. Why not just contact me and tell me about it? I will never figure that one out...

    I will share with Patrick now, why I doubted his assertions. I had the 7-Keto-etio tested and it came back an exact match on MW and the chemist went so far as to describe the compound since no standard exists for it. So, when you said it "wasn't there" then I had no reason to believe the validity of any of your testing.

    One other point of clarification and I think Patrick should note this part since his products are "transdermals". 7-KE IS NOT AND WAS NEVER a dietary supplement, it was a cosmetic. As I stated upon launch it isn't a GMP product. As a cosmetic it's a different set of standards.

    Anyway, it appears that the amount is small anyway and that is what is the normal part of doing business with China, you pay for one thing and they "fudge" a bit on the purity, which is bull**** but it happens.

    Anyway, we are working more closely with our lab to develop what is an acceptable purity. Remember 95% pure is still 5% something else. I don't usually concern myself with such a small amount unless I know the starting material is a CIII. In this case I didn't think it was (it may not be since I am not a chemist). For example if I was going to order 1-DHEA I would certainly be nervous because I know 1-ADione is probably the starting material or at least a step in the process.

    Finally, I will shed some light on Taurus Big K. I've known this guy for 4 years and he ran into some major life problems. Since no one knows his real identity I will share a little. Drugs problem, wife left him, kids to feed etc... I paid for a flight to Michigan, let him stay with me and gave him a job with Taurus to help out with online promotions to help him try and get his life back in order . In a nutshell he couldn't handle it and I ended up having to fly him home with some cash in his pocket. So, for my charity I am out 3k and a bunch of really good reps.

    I try to help people and sometimes it backfires. I had no idea Taurus Big K would be such a mess to our reps. I can't believe he did that much damage in such a short amount of time. lol Sometimes trying to be kind and generous backfires and you get screwed but I just believe that in life one should try to help others who have lost everything. Usually it's for a good reason that they are broke, but occasionally your charity really pans out and the person turns his life around. If not for someone giving them the chance then they would never be able to get started. This one didn't work out but trying to help other people is never a failure for me even when they fail.
    I definitely admire and respect you for that. And I'm sorry it ended up not working out. But keep doing what your doing.
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    I wish he wouldn't have chased all of the reps away. He just had a lot of demons. I do wish him the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    anyway lets just drop it and move forward. hopefully they will employ me to test their raws like almost a dozen companies have done throughout the years
    Just out of curiosity, what's the price point on that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by prld2gr8ns View Post
    Just out of curiosity, what's the price point on that?


    hundred bucks a sample
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    Quote Originally Posted by prld2gr8ns View Post
    Just out of curiosity, what's the price point on that?
    <BR><BR><BR><BR>hundred bucks a sample
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    Got my package in the mail today.....Thanks Taurus for hooking it up BIG TIME with some free product.
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    Posted in News, Food and Drug Administration (FDA), Government, Men's Health, New Dietary Ingredients (NDIs), Recall, Sports Nutrition Print SILVER SPRINGS, Nev.óAdvanced Muscle Science announced a voluntary national recall of all lots of its products Arom-X, Arom-X UTT, Arom-XL, 4-AD and Devacol, all marketed as dietary supplements for testosterone boosting and sexual function. The products contain 1,4,6 etioallocholan-dione, known as ATD, an aromatase inhibitor that stops the bodyís production of estrogen. FDA informed the company it does not believe ATD is a dietary ingredient, making the products in violation of federal law.

    FDA informed Advanced Muscle Science of potential adverse events associated with the use of aromatase inhibitors, including infertility, adrenal insufficiencies, and kidney and liver dysfunction. The agency concluded products containing aromatase inhibitors are likely to cause adverse reactions in at-risk consumers, including those with liver, kidney, adrenal or prostate concerns.

    Production of most of the products had been discontinued by Advanced Muscle Science more than a year ago. Arom-X capsules and 4-AD capsules, for example, were discontinued in March 2009; Arom-XL liquid was discontinued in February 2009, while Arom-X UTT liquid and Decavol capsules were discontinued by the company in January 2010. However, the company noted some retailers may be selling remaining inventory, thus triggering the recall notice. In addition, this voluntary recall does not include Arom-X RD or the current version of Arom-X liquid, neither of which contain ATD.

    Advanced Muscle Science noted it has not received any adverse event reports associated with use of the recalled products, but advised consumers to cease using them and return unused portions to the company or retailer. Consumers who do have adverse reactions to any of the items can report the situation to FDA via the MedWatch Adverse Event Reporting program online.

    This is the third recall notice announced by FDA concerning ATD content in dietary supplements in the last two days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf
    Got my package in the mail today.....Thanks Taurus for hooking it up BIG TIME with some free product.
    Wow that was fast. Cool what did you get man? I want some more 5aohp that stuff is great
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    Quote Originally Posted by flightposite View Post
    Wow that was fast. Cool what did you get man? I want some more 5aohp that stuff is great
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
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    Good Lord!

    That's ridiculous.

    And I want your 5AOHP...lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbeef View Post
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    FDA informed Advanced Muscle Science of potential adverse events associated with the use of aromatase inhibitors, including infertility, adrenal insufficiencies, and kidney and liver dysfunction. The agency concluded products containing aromatase inhibitors are likely to cause adverse reactions in at-risk consumers, including those with liver, kidney, adrenal or prostate concerns.
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    Now that the FDA has informed me that AI's do all those nasty things I am never gonna touch one again. Imagine, all this time i was led to believe they were beneficial for fertility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    Now that the FDA has informed me that AI's do all those nasty things I am never gonna touch one again. Imagine, all this time i was led to believe they were beneficial for fertility.
    I am not sure where they get their data, but there is a plethora of data showing that they are beneficial in healthy men. Unless you are going after females it would seem that in today's chemically laden society these things are very good for you in general. (I know you were being sarcastic of course)
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    That's the most Taurus products I've seen at one time...

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    Me either PA! What were these supplement companies thinking!

    Boy, is there even 1 documented case of ANY AI's being linked to any of those issues- let alone being the sole "cause"


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    Now that the FDA has informed me that AI's do all those nasty things I am never gonna touch one again. Imagine, all this time i was led to believe they were beneficial for fertility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    the way to move forward is to use me to identify what is in their raws. others that have screwed up ended up doing this and they have not screwed up since
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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    Agreed
    Does CEL use PA for their testing now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by prld2gr8ns View Post
    Does CEL use PA for their testing now?
    We did when we were making PHs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taurus Nut. View Post
    Ok, Easy goes for EASY. Lol I can't wait to see how deep these will dig! I have some hints. PM me your address easy

    What company allegedly had their "steroid spiked with a steroid" in 2005?

    What company accidentally released 17aMethyl-HydroxyTestosterone and had to do a recall?

    What company had a prescription drug in their product and had to "change the formula"?

    My point is not to malign anyone just to show you that it's business, mistakes happen and Chinese suppliers often screw you.
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    PATERSON, N.J. (CN) - Nutrex advertises its dietary supplements as "all natural," but uses drugs in them, including an amphetamine, which is banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency, according to a class action in Passaic County Court.
    The class sued Nutrex Research, its president and founder Jeffrey A. McCarrell, and its vice president and co-founder Jens Ingenohl, all of Oviedo, Fla.
    The two men "formulated the product," and sell them as "Lipo-6 Hers," "Lipo-6 Black" and "Ignite," according to the complaint.
    The class claims Nutrex pushes the products as "sports nutritional supplements" that "burn fat and allow people to lose weight ... as a result of the ****tail of natural stimulants and other ingredients."
    But the key ingredient in all the products is a substance called "methylsynephrine," which is "another name for a prescription drug called Oxilofrine," according to the complaint. It adds that Oxilofrine is "a stimulant drug of the amphetamine class" that was developed and "used to treat low blood pressure."
    Oxilofrine "is a metabolite of methoxymethamphetamine," commonly known as PMMA, which is "an illegal designer drug that is considered a banned substance in numerous countries" and has "been responsible for deaths of numerous people," according to the complaint.
    The class claims that Oxilofrine "is considered a performance-enhancing drug" and "is classified as a banned substance by both the World Anti-Doping Agency and the United States Anti-Doping Agency."
    It claims that "testing of [Nutrex's products] by gas chromatography confirms" the presence of Oxilofrine.
    The fact that "methylsynephrine equals Oxilofrine ... is common knowledge in the sports nutrition industry, given the suspension of numerous athletes" who took products containing it, and then tested positive for banned substances, according to the complaint.
    They plaintiffs say that Nutrex knows about the problem, but continues to "falsely advertise" that its products are "all natural," that they do not affect blood pressure and that they do not contain banned substances.
    The class seeks damages for fraud. It is represented by Donald Boshada with Milstein, Adelman & Kreger of Elmwood Park, N.J

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    Quote Originally Posted by henryv View Post
    What a cunty thing to do.
    lol. Despite the obvious diversion that is this thread, I think once in a while it's good to expose the supp. business
    at its worst. There needs to be more demand for product testing and it has to come from the customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
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    Groovy. I didn't know that, but that explains how you found a standard for testing pstanz and furza a. Top notch service boyz
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    VPX Recalls Stealth Protein
    Vital Pharmaceuticals Inc. Recalls Powdered Dietary Supplement, Stealth Chocolate and Stealth Vanilla Because Of Possible Health Risk



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    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -- July 7, 2009 - Vital Pharmaceuticals Inc. of 15751 SW 41st Street #300, Davie, Fl. 33331 is recalling 17 lots of the powdered dietary supplement, Stealth Chocolate and Stealth Vanilla, because it has the potential to be contaminated with Salmonella, an organism which can cause serious and sometimes fatal infections in young children, frail or elderly people, and others with weakened immune systems. Healthy persons infected with Salmonella often experience fever, diarrhea (which may be bloody), nausea, vomiting and abdominal pain. In rare circumstance, infection with Salmonella can result in the organism getting into the bloodstream and producing more severe illnesses such as arterial infections (i.e., infected aneurysms), endocarditis and arthritis.
    lot # Product Name Expiry Date lot # Product Name Expiry Date
    SP9118A2 Vanilla 04--11 SP9118B2 Chocolate 04--11
    SP9119B2 Vanilla 04--11 SP9119A2 Chocolate 04--11
    SP9120A2 Vanilla 04--11 SP9121C2 Chocolate 05--11
    SP9120B2 Vanilla 04--11 SP9124A2 Chocolate 05--11
    SP9121A2 Vanilla 05--11 SP9124B2 Chocolate 05--11
    SP9121B2 Vanilla 05--11 SP127A2 Chocolate 05--11
    SP9131A2 Vanilla 05--11 SP127B2 Chocolate 05--11
    SP9140A2 Vanilla 05--11
    SP9125A3 Vanilla - 75g 05--11 SP9126A3 Chocolate - 75g 05--11

    Where the expiry dates represent the month and year.
    The UPC is 1076482486 for the Stealth Chocolate (5 lb), 1076482484 for the Vanilla Stealth (5 lb), 1076482498 for the Stealth Chocolate (75g) and 1076482496 for the Stealth Vanilla (75 g).

    Stealth Vanilla and Stealth Chocolate was distributed Nationwide, including GNC Distribution Centers in Phoenix AZ; in Anderson, SC; and in Leetsdale, PA; and to VPX Sports Distribution Center in Weston, Fl; as well as Internationally.

    The powdered product is packaged in 5lb blue, plastic jars with red band on around the top and bottom of the jar. The principal label bears the brand name of VPX and STEALTH, Muscle Amplification Lean Mass Gainer and the flavor in the lower 1/3; Vanilla Blast or Chocolate Rush. The production code and the expiration date are imprinted on the side panel above the Supplement Facts. The powdered product was also packaged in foil pouches as samples.

    "No illnesses have been reported to date."

    We are taking this action because our product contains an ingredient Milk Protein Concentrate, recalled by one of our supplier, Plainview Milk Products Cooperative, because it may be contaminated with Salmonella.

    Consumers should return the product to the store where it was purchased for a full refund. Consumers with questions may contact Vital Pharmaceutical Inc. at 1-800-954-7904 or 954-641-0570 during the hours of 9 am ? 5 pm, Monday through Friday.
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    http://www.tga.gov.au/safety/recalls...vpx-071022.htm

    BSN CellMass Lawsuit/Product review
    VPX 'No Shotgun' & BSN 'Cell Mass' Body Building Powders

    Medicine recall
    Level: Consumer Class: I
    Reference: RN-2007-0691 Date agreed: 22 October 2007
    Product: VPX 'No Shotgun' & BSN 'Cell Mass' Body Building Powders
    Batch number: All batches
    Sponsor: Crestkey Pty Ltd
    Phone: 02 6281 6999 Elite Physique
    Reason: These products contain traces of the prescription drug coumarin

    Letters are expected to be dispatched by the sponsor within two working days of the agreed date.

    ADVICE TO CONSUMERS:

    If you have a container of VPX: NO SHOTGUN or BSN: CELL MASS do not use it. Return it to the place of purchase for a refund or call Elite Physique on 02 6281 6999.

    Recall notices are expected to appear in the Canberra Times on Monday 29 October 2007
    Classification system:

    Class I defects are potentially life-threatening or could cause a serious risk to health.

    Class II defects could cause illness or mistreatment, but are not Class I.

    Class III defects may not pose a significant hazard to health, but withdrawal may be initiated for other reasons.

    Class I & II recalls are considered to be safety related recalls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taurus Nut. View Post
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