The Official "Other Companies That Have Had Contamination Issues" Contest

[TheDarkHalf]

Wow that was fast. Cool what did you get man? I want some more 5aohp that stuff is great

2 DA-HCG
2 5aohp
2 Wyked

 

[MidwestBeast]

2 DA-HCG
2 5aohp
2 Wyked

Good Lord!

That's ridiculous.

And I want your 5AOHP...lol

 

[Patrick Arnold]

.

FDA informed Advanced Muscle Science of potential adverse events associated with the use of aromatase inhibitors, including infertility, adrenal insufficiencies, and kidney and liver dysfunction. The agency concluded products containing aromatase inhibitors are likely to cause adverse reactions in at-risk consumers, including those with liver, kidney, adrenal or prostate concerns.
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Now that the FDA has informed me that AI's do all those nasty things I am never gonna touch one again. Imagine, all this time i was led to believe they were beneficial for fertility.

 

[Taurus Nut.]

Now that the FDA has informed me that AI's do all those nasty things I am never gonna touch one again. Imagine, all this time i was led to believe they were beneficial for fertility.

I am not sure where they get their data, but there is a plethora of data showing that they are beneficial in healthy men. Unless you are going after females it would seem that in today's chemically laden society these things are very good for you in general. (I know you were being sarcastic of course)

 

[AZMIDLYF]

My Taurus Nutrition goodies came!! Thanks guys.

 

[StackedCop]

That's the most Taurus products I've seen at one time...

 

[AZMIDLYF]

 

[BigGunn]

Me either PA! What were these supplement companies thinking!

Boy, is there even 1 documented case of ANY AI's being linked to any of those issues- let alone being the sole "cause"

Now that the FDA has informed me that AI's do all those nasty things I am never gonna touch one again. Imagine, all this time i was led to believe they were beneficial for fertility.

 

[mw1]

the way to move forward is to use me to identify what is in their raws. others that have screwed up ended up doing this and they have not screwed up since

Agreed

 

[prld2gr8ns]

Agreed

Does CEL use PA for their testing now?

 

[mw1]

Does CEL use PA for their testing now?

We did when we were making PHs

 

[darsh89]

Ok, Easy goes for EASY. Lol I can't wait to see how deep these will dig! I have some hints. PM me your address easy

What company allegedly had their "steroid spiked with a steroid" in 2005?

What company accidentally released 17aMethyl-HydroxyTestosterone and had to do a recall?

What company had a prescription drug in their product and had to "change the formula"?
My point is not to malign anyone just to show you that it's business, mistakes happen and Chinese suppliers often screw you.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/06/18/28196.htm

PATERSON, N.J. (CN) - Nutrex advertises its dietary supplements as "all natural," but uses drugs in them, including an amphetamine, which is banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency, according to a class action in Passaic County Court.
The class sued Nutrex Research, its president and founder Jeffrey A. McCarrell, and its vice president and co-founder Jens Ingenohl, all of Oviedo, Fla.
The two men "formulated the product," and sell them as "Lipo-6 Hers," "Lipo-6 Black" and "Ignite," according to the complaint.
The class claims Nutrex pushes the products as "sports nutritional supplements" that "burn fat and allow people to lose weight ... as a result of the ****tail of natural stimulants and other ingredients."
But the key ingredient in all the products is a substance called "methylsynephrine," which is "another name for a prescription drug called Oxilofrine," according to the complaint. It adds that Oxilofrine is "a stimulant drug of the amphetamine class" that was developed and "used to treat low blood pressure."
Oxilofrine "is a metabolite of methoxymethamphetamine," commonly known as PMMA, which is "an illegal designer drug that is considered a banned substance in numerous countries" and has "been responsible for deaths of numerous people," according to the complaint.
The class claims that Oxilofrine "is considered a performance-enhancing drug" and "is classified as a banned substance by both the World Anti-Doping Agency and the United States Anti-Doping Agency."
It claims that "testing of [Nutrex's products] by gas chromatography confirms" the presence of Oxilofrine.
The fact that "methylsynephrine equals Oxilofrine ... is common knowledge in the sports nutrition industry, given the suspension of numerous athletes" who took products containing it, and then tested positive for banned substances, according to the complaint.
They plaintiffs say that Nutrex knows about the problem, but continues to "falsely advertise" that its products are "all natural," that they do not affect blood pressure and that they do not contain banned substances.
The class seeks damages for fraud. It is represented by Donald Boshada with Milstein, Adelman & Kreger of Elmwood Park, N.J

can get the pdf outlining the law suit if needed

 

[darsh89]

supplement recalls: http://www.recallowl.com/Food+Recalls/Dietary+Supplements

hydroxycut recalled: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30518843/ns/health-diet_and_nutrition/t/fda-warns-dieters-stop-hydroxycut-use-now/

NOW supplements recall: http://www.nowfoods.com/082727.htm

more recalls: http://www.best-vitamin-supplements-guide.com/dietary-supplement-recall.html

extenze recalled: http://healthcare.utah.edu/pharmacy/alerts/541.htm

 

[Bry17]

What a cunty thing to do.

lol. Despite the obvious diversion that is this thread, I think once in a while it's good to expose the supp. business
at its worst. There needs to be more demand for product testing and it has to come from the customers.

We did when we were making PHs

I had almost forgotten that.

 

[prld2gr8ns]

We did when we were making PHs

Groovy. I didn't know that, but that explains how you found a standard for testing pstanz and furza a. Top notch service boyz

 

[darsh89]

VPX Recalls Stealth Protein
Vital Pharmaceuticals Inc. Recalls Powdered Dietary Supplement, Stealth Chocolate and Stealth Vanilla Because Of Possible Health Risk



Consumer Contact:
Vital Pharmaceuticals Inc dba VPX Sports
800-954-7904/954-641-0570

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -- July 7, 2009 - Vital Pharmaceuticals Inc. of 15751 SW 41st Street #300, Davie, Fl. 33331 is recalling 17 lots of the powdered dietary supplement, Stealth Chocolate and Stealth Vanilla, because it has the potential to be contaminated with Salmonella, an organism which can cause serious and sometimes fatal infections in young children, frail or elderly people, and others with weakened immune systems. Healthy persons infected with Salmonella often experience fever, diarrhea (which may be bloody), nausea, vomiting and abdominal pain. In rare circumstance, infection with Salmonella can result in the organism getting into the bloodstream and producing more severe illnesses such as arterial infections (i.e., infected aneurysms), endocarditis and arthritis.
lot # Product Name Expiry Date lot # Product Name Expiry Date
SP9118A2 Vanilla 04--11 SP9118B2 Chocolate 04--11
SP9119B2 Vanilla 04--11 SP9119A2 Chocolate 04--11
SP9120A2 Vanilla 04--11 SP9121C2 Chocolate 05--11
SP9120B2 Vanilla 04--11 SP9124A2 Chocolate 05--11
SP9121A2 Vanilla 05--11 SP9124B2 Chocolate 05--11
SP9121B2 Vanilla 05--11 SP127A2 Chocolate 05--11
SP9131A2 Vanilla 05--11 SP127B2 Chocolate 05--11
SP9140A2 Vanilla 05--11
SP9125A3 Vanilla - 75g 05--11 SP9126A3 Chocolate - 75g 05--11

Where the expiry dates represent the month and year.
The UPC is 1076482486 for the Stealth Chocolate (5 lb), 1076482484 for the Vanilla Stealth (5 lb), 1076482498 for the Stealth Chocolate (75g) and 1076482496 for the Stealth Vanilla (75 g).

Stealth Vanilla and Stealth Chocolate was distributed Nationwide, including GNC Distribution Centers in Phoenix AZ; in Anderson, SC; and in Leetsdale, PA; and to VPX Sports Distribution Center in Weston, Fl; as well as Internationally.

The powdered product is packaged in 5lb blue, plastic jars with red band on around the top and bottom of the jar. The principal label bears the brand name of VPX and STEALTH, Muscle Amplification Lean Mass Gainer and the flavor in the lower 1/3; Vanilla Blast or Chocolate Rush. The production code and the expiration date are imprinted on the side panel above the Supplement Facts. The powdered product was also packaged in foil pouches as samples.

"No illnesses have been reported to date."

We are taking this action because our product contains an ingredient Milk Protein Concentrate, recalled by one of our supplier, Plainview Milk Products Cooperative, because it may be contaminated with Salmonella.

Consumers should return the product to the store where it was purchased for a full refund. Consumers with questions may contact Vital Pharmaceutical Inc. at 1-800-954-7904 or 954-641-0570 during the hours of 9 am ? 5 pm, Monday through Friday.

 

[darsh89]

http://www.tga.gov.au/safety/recalls-medicine-vpx-071022.htm

BSN CellMass Lawsuit/Product review
VPX 'No Shotgun' & BSN 'Cell Mass' Body Building Powders

Medicine recall
Level: Consumer Class: I
Reference: RN-2007-0691 Date agreed: 22 October 2007
Product: VPX 'No Shotgun' & BSN 'Cell Mass' Body Building Powders
Batch number: All batches
Sponsor: Crestkey Pty Ltd
Phone: 02 6281 6999 Elite Physique
Reason: These products contain traces of the prescription drug coumarin

Letters are expected to be dispatched by the sponsor within two working days of the agreed date.

ADVICE TO CONSUMERS:

If you have a container of VPX: NO SHOTGUN or BSN: CELL MASS do not use it. Return it to the place of purchase for a refund or call Elite Physique on 02 6281 6999.

Recall notices are expected to appear in the Canberra Times on Monday 29 October 2007
Classification system:

Class I defects are potentially life-threatening or could cause a serious risk to health.

Class II defects could cause illness or mistreatment, but are not Class I.

Class III defects may not pose a significant hazard to health, but withdrawal may be initiated for other reasons.

Class I & II recalls are considered to be safety related recalls.

 

[B5150]

PS the prize will be

2 Wyked
2 5aOHP
2 DAA-HCG

With or without contaminants?

 

[prld2gr8ns]

With or without contaminants?

lol

 

[flightposite]

<img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=45016"/>

My Taurus Nutrition goodies came!! Thanks guys.

Man I'm so jealous. wish I knew of more companies that effd up just so I could get my grubby hands on some more of that sexy 5a

 

[scoooter]

This goes back a ways - It was my first mail order supplement, what an experience. (This is not my own writing)

An entrepreneur named Tom Ciola came up with the idea of using all of the popular ingredients and combining them in a freeze-dried glandular protein base (yum). Herbs like yohimbe were added for their "stimulative" effect so the consumer would "feel" the concoction working. He called it Hot Stuff, and it became an overnight success. Hot Stuff flew off the shelves! Stores couldn't restock fast enough. It seemed as if a supplement finally had been developed that mimicked the effects of steroids. Was it a synergistic effect of all the combined nutrients that made Hot Stuff so effective? Or was it something more?

There have been accusations alluded to by several unrelated sources (who wish to remain anonymous for obvious reasons) that in order for Hot Stuff to "make sure" that its initial release would create a stir, it had to contain an additional ingredient not listed on the can. Something that would leave no doubt of its effectiveness in the user's mind. Something that would bring them back for more. Rumor has it that this "something" was methyltestosterone.

Methyltestosterone is an inexpensive form of orally absorbable testosterone that works quickly and effectively to raise strength and aggression. It's also extremely liver toxic. It would appear to be a good choice as an added ingredient for another reason: it's undetectable in a drug test. The "insiders" theory is that, even if the FDA somehow found out about the drug being used, all of the canisters would already be sold. An inspection of the National Health (makers of Hot Stuff) facility would show no wrongdoing. No evidence has ever been found to substantiate these claims. The rumors seem far-fetched, to say the least, but there was a period when Hot Stuff was pulled from the shelves for reasons that have always been mired in ambiguity. There was a "new and improved" version released shortly thereafter, but anyone familiar with the "first" Hot Stuff will tell you that the new one never quite duplicated the characteristic "kick" of the original

I can confirm the last sentence as true from personal experience.

 

[EasyEJL]

2 scoops of wyked is pretty stimmy, headed to the gym now to try it out

 

[darsh89]

No more free giveaways for posting companies?

 

[prld2gr8ns]

Doesn't look like it....

 

[Taurus Nut.]

You can submit them and if they are good we will keep giving away packages! Hot stuff is rumor...

 

[AZMIDLYF]

2 scoops of wyked is pretty stimmy, headed to the gym now to try it out

It's not a jittery type though. More of a get sh!t done energy. I'm liking it.

 

[darsh89]

You can submit them and if they are good we will keep giving away packages! Hot stuff is rumor...

i submitted like 10, one of them answering one of the hints you mentioned about a product containing a prescription drug.

look on the previous page

 

[EasyEJL]

It's not a jittery type though. More of a get sh!t done energy. I'm liking it.

Yeah, it worked well at the gym too

 

[prld2gr8ns]

Yeah, it worked well at the gym too

Which I'm sure is the intent

 

[scoooter]

You can submit them and if they are good we will keep giving away packages! Hot stuff is rumor...

Ok, I tried an old one, now I'll try a newer one, from this Sept.

Prosecutors in the U.S. Attorney’s Office for Colorado charged Axis Labs on Wednesday in U.S. District Court in Denver. Axis Labs is accused of “being involved” in the making and selling their supplement Monster Caps, which the company purported was a dietary supplement that didn’t need to be prescribed by a doctor. Monster Caps actually contained undeclared anabolic steroids (likely just a prohormone) and were intended “to affect the structure and function of the human body,” which made the product a regulated drug needing FDA approval to be sold, investigators alleged.

“It is critically important that consumers know the contents of what they are consuming,” said John Walsh, U.S. Attorney for Colorado, in a press release. “In this case, the product contained synthetic anabolic steroids, and because of its potential for harm, it was a prescription drug that could only be dispensed pursuant to a valid prescription.”

An investigation involving the U.S. Food and Drug Administration found Axis Labs mailed Monster Caps throughout the United States in 2008 and 2009 to customers ordering them over the Internet, authorities allege. Axis Labs faces a fine of up to $500,000 if convicted on the mail fraud count.

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/news/2011/09/08/colorado-firm-accused-of-mail-order.html

 

[StackedCop]

You can submit them and if they are good we will keep giving away packages! Hot stuff is rumor...

I bet you would not have lost a single rep if you gave them some packages like the ones you're giving out in this thread. Guess we'll never know...

 

[Taurus Nut.]

i submitted like 10, one of them answering one of the hints you mentioned about a product containing a prescription drug.

look on the previous page

PM me with your address!

 

[Taurus Nut.]

I bet you would not have lost a single rep if you gave them some packages like the ones you're giving out in this thread. Guess we'll never know...

Reps can get whatever they want. All they have to do is email me and ask for it.

 

[Bolanrox]

Did this one get posted yet?
Gaspari Nutrition Nutrition Issues a Voluntary Nationwide Recall of Novedex XT, a Product Marketed as a Dietary Supplement Containing ATD

http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm228749.htm

 

[Ev52]

FDA laboratory tests have revealed the presence of sibutramine, fenproporex, fluoxetine, bumetanide, furosemide, phenytoin, rimonabant, cetilistat, and phenolphthalein in weight loss products being sold over-the-counter. The tainted products are listed below in alphabetical order along with the undeclared drug and/or chemical ingredient.

Product(s) Name
1. 2 Day Diet - sibutramine
2. 2 Day Diet Slim Advance - sibutramine
3. 2x Powerful Slimming - sibutramine
4. 3 Day Diet - sibutramine
5. 3 Days Fit - sibutramine
6. 3x Slimming Power – sibutramine, phenytoin
7. 5x Imelda Perfect Slimming - sibutramine
8. 7 Day Herbal Slim - sibutramine
9. 7 Days Diet - sibutramine
10. 7 Diet - sibutramine
11. 7 Diet Day/Night Formula - sibutramine
12. 8 Factor Diet – sibutramine, phenolphthalein
13. Eight Factor Diet - sibutramine
14. 21 Double Slim - sibutramine
15. 24 Hours Diet – sibutramine, phenolphthalein
16. 999 Fitness Essence - sibutramine
17. BioEmagrecim, sample 1 – fenproporex
BioEmagrecim, sample 2 – fluoxetine, furosemide
18. Body Creator – sibutramine
19. Body Shaping - sibutramine
20. Body Slimming - sibutramine
21. Cosmo Slim - sibutramine
22. Extrim Plus – sibutramine, phenytoin
23. Extrim Plus 24 Hour Reburn - sibutramine
24. Fasting Diet - sibutramine
25. Fatloss Slimming – sibutramine, phenolphthalein
26. GMP – sibutramine
27. Herbal Xenicol - cetilistat
28. Imelda Fat Reducer - sibutramine
29. Imelda Perfect Slim – sibutramine, phenolphthalein
30. JM Fat Reducer - sibutramine
31. Lida DaiDaihua - sibutramine
32. Meili - sibutramine
33. Meizitang - sibutramine
34. Miaozi MeiMiaoQianZiJiaoNang - sibutramine
35. Miaozi Slim Capsules - sibutramine
36. Natural Model - sibutramine
37. Perfect Slim - sibutramine
38. Perfect Slim 5x – sibutramine, phenolphthalein
39. Perfect Slim Up – sibutramine
40. Phyto Shape - rimonabant
41. Powerful Slim - sibutramine
42. ProSlim Plus - sibutramine
43. Reduce Weihgt - sibutramine
44. Royal Slimming Formula – sibutramine, phenolphthalein
45. Sana Plus - sibutramine
46. Slim 3 in 1 - sibutramine
47. Slim 3 in 1 Extra Slim Formula - sibutramine
48. Slim 3 in 1 Extra Slim Waist Formula - sibutramine
49. Slim 3 in 1 M18 Royal Diet - sibutramine
50. Slim 3 in 1 Slim Formula - sibutramine
51. Slim Burn - sibutramine
52. Slim Express 4 in 1 - sibutramine
53. Slim Express 360 - sibutramine
54. *Slim Fast - sibutramine
55. Slim Tech - sibutramine
56. Slim Up - sibutramine
57. Slim Waist Formula - sibutramine
58. Slim Waistline – sibutramine
59. Slimbionic- sibutramine
60. Sliminate - sibutramine
61. Slimming Formula - sibutramine
62. Somotrim – sibutramine
63. Starcaps - bumetanide
64. Super Fat Burner - sibutramine
65. Superslim – sibutramine, phenolphthalein
66. Super Slimming - sibutramine
67. Trim 2 Plus - sibutramine
68. Triple Slim - sibutramine
69. Venom Hyperdrive 3.0 - sibutramine
70. Waist Strength Formula – sibutramine
71. Xsvelten - sibutramine
72. Zhen de Shou – sibutramine, phenolphthalein

* This product should not be confused with the line of meal replacement and related products marketed as conventional foods under the brand name “Slim-Fast®”. The manufacturer of Slim-Fast®, Unilever United States, Inc., maintains that the Slim Fast product which appears on this list is not in any way associated with, sponsored or approved by, or otherwise related in any way to the Slim-Fast® brand of meal replacement and related products.

I thought this was a potential winner......

 

[Patrick Arnold]

It's also extremely liver toxic. It would appear to be a good choice as an added ingredient for another reason: it's undetectable in a drug test. .[/U]

methyltestosterone is no more liver toxic than your average oral steroid. it also is most certainly not undetectable (and that includes back in the late 80s when Hot Stuff was sold.

 

[scoooter]

A federal grand jury has indicted a Salt Lake County man for simply wanting to help America get erect! The man was charged for his part in manufacturing and selling erectile dysfunction “supplements” that were marketed as “100 percent natural” but which allegedly contained Viagra-related drugs. Kelly “Stiff Dick” Dean Harvey and a Murray-based company initially called TSN Labs Inc. and later renamed Novacare LLC, imported a product containing sulfoaildenafil from China for use in “dietary supplements” marketed under various names, including “Stiff Nights,” “Size Matters,” “Natural Wow” and “OMG.”

The Rap Sheet

Charges against Harvey include one count of conspiracy
12 counts of wire fraud
9 counts of mail fraud
5 counts of concealment of money laundering
4 counts of money laundering.
Court documents allege that between November 2006 and May 2010, Harvey and anunnamed co-conspirator imported 39 orders of Ophioglossum Thermale (OT) from Shandong, China-based Rizhao Sunan Trading Co. Ltd., with each order ranging in size from 1 to 75 kilograms. TSN and Novacare accounts paid out about $931,000 for the OT transactions, court documents revealed.Harvey had two U.S. labs test OT, and while the product contained no sildenfal citrate (Viagra), varedenafil (Levitra) or tadalafil (Cialis), a sildenafil drug analogue called sulfoaildenafil did show up. The use of sulfoaildenafil would have subjected TSN and Novacare’s supplements to regulation by the FDA. But Harvey did not share those test results with the federal agency, the indictment says. In February 2009, the FDA warned that these erectile dysfunction supplements that were being sold online could contain prescription drugs that carry harmful side effects. However, “Stiff Nights” was billed online as a dietary supplement that was 100 percent natural and safe. And labeling of the product failed to list OT as an ingredient, the indictment says.The website, stiffnights.com, said the product differed from Viagra because it was a nutritional supplement that “uses only all natural ingredients.”"Stiff Nights is not a drug,” the website claimed, touting that “many users report a better experience than Viagra because Stiff Nights also increases the male sex drive and somehow increases a male’s endurance,” court document say.

 

[tyzero89]

It's not a jittery type though. More of a get sh!t done energy. I'm liking it.

I have noticed that it creeps up on you. it really helps when you are on rep 10, about to pass out and your trainer screams "come on...5 more!!!"

 

[prld2gr8ns]

I have noticed that it creeps up on you. it really helps when you are on rep 10, about to pass out and your trainer screams "come on...5 more!!!"

Yeah, because at that 10th rep you have enough energy to rack the weights get up and throw kettle bells at the trainer.

 

[henryv]

Superior Metabolic Technologies Inc Recalls Uprizing 2.0 Because the Product Contains Superdrol, Which is a Synthetic Steroid, Making it an Unapproved New Drug

Superior Metabolic Technologies Inc of Marietta, Georgia is voluntarily recalling all lots of the testosterone booster Uprizing 2.0 because tests have shown the product appears to contain superdrol, a synthetic steroid, making it an unapproved new drug.

On August 5 the FDA made Superior Metabolic Technologies Inc aware that Uprizing 2.0 contains superdrol which is banned by the FDA. This led to the recall of the product.

Acute liver injury is known to be a possible harmful effect of using products containing synthetic anabolic steroids. In addition, use of synthetic anabolic steroids may cause other serious long-term adverse health consequences in men, women, and children. These include shrinkage of the testes and male infertility, masculinization of women, breast enlargement in males, short stature in children, a higher prediction to misuse other drugs and alcohol, adverse effects on blood lipid levels, and increased risk of heart attack, stroke, and death.

Uprizing 2.0 was distributed through retail health food stores in Alabama, Arizona, California, Georgia, Mississippi, New Jersey, South Carolina, and Texas.

Uprizing 2.0 comes in a black plastic bottle with a black, red, and silver label and contains 90 capsules. The SMT logo is center top on the bottle.

Consumers who purchased Uprizing 2.0 are urged to return it to the place of purchase for a full refund. Consumers with questions may contact the company at 1-888-445-3230, from 10 AM to 6 PM EST Monday through Friday.

Adverse reactions or quality problems experienced with the use of these products may be reported to Superior Metabolic Technologies Inc toll free at 1-888-445-3230 or to the FDA's MedWatch Adverse Event Reporting program either online, by regular mail, or by fax.

 

[OrganicShadow]

Wow. Never heard of sibutramine. Ive used Hot Stuff on a couple shows - but I hate it and never doing so again. Not because of this but just because it ruins my stage color and smells funky.

 

[scoooter]

Here is my once a day post - still hoping for a package

Remember Jungle Warfare......

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/82699-different-formula-jungle.html

 

[Bolanrox]

i think there have been at least 4 versions of JW at this point

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Superior Metabolic Technologies Inc Recalls Uprizing 2.0 Because the Product Contains Superdrol, Which is a Synthetic Steroid, Making it an Unapproved New Drug

this has been the trend lately with these syntho-hormone supps. Yet bros still market them thinking they are "legal" and all will be fine. I wouldnt touch the stuff with a ten foot pole now that the FDA has their angle on prosecuting this stuff

stock up

 

[prld2gr8ns]

this has been the trend lately with these syntho-hormone supps. Yet bros still market them thinking they are "legal" and all will be fine. I wouldnt touch the stuff with a ten foot pole now that the FDA has their angle on prosecuting this stuff

stock up

Some will always chase the quick buck though. No matter the cost.

 

[OrganicShadow]

^ Im sorry, I cant find that post- what are you referring to? Im just curious.

So is anyone here surprised by what they've seen? Im not shocked by means.

 

[BPjohn123]

http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ArchiveRecalls/2008/ucm112386.htm

I knew this was coming...haha...that was fun to deal with as a rep

 

[EasyEJL]

I knew this was coming...haha...that was fun to deal with as a rep

I had great conversations with your boss on it

 

[BPjohn123]

The good ol days

 

[DAdams91982]

The good ol days

Am I incorrect that the Southland Company with Revamp out is just PAL reincarnated? Considering the exact same product, and the same logo.