The #1 Cortisol Blocker

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    Our PS powder is 50% PS.

    You are right about all the cognitive benefits, but we wanted to market PS with a new angle – testicular protection, higher testosterone, faster recovery, ect. We are trying to present PS as a serious bodybuilding supplement, without washing it out by listing too many benefits.

    -Pp
    I've been using Phospatidylserine to reduce cortisol levels and to reduce stress for years now and I absolutely believe it is one of the best ingredients to reduce cortisol levels.

    I love how it made me feel mellow in stressful situations at work as well.

    I took Leci-PS that was 90% PS and I beleive I was paying around $150 fo a 30 day, 800mg supply, so at 50% PS, your product is still a much greater value!

    When I get some cash, I'll have to tae advantage of this offer.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Palo Alto Labs View Post
    Question...

    what affects will this have on insulin levels?
    No effects on insulin as far as I know.

    -Pp
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    No effects on insulin as far as I know.

    -Pp
    Cortisol counteracts insulin..
    which would leave my thinking that inhibiting cortisol would allow insulin levels to rise, as cortisol is released in response to insulin spike to regulate it.

    No big deal if you dont know, but Im just curious. I would find it to be more effective to increase cortisol sensitivity in the body, which will reduce the need for cortisol. But I have not done enough research on cortisol elimination to make a solid argument.

    Any idea how much this will affect cortisol levels...you wouldnt want to eliminate all cortisol from the body..but what impact does it have on levels?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Palo Alto Labs View Post
    Cortisol counteracts insulin..
    which would leave my thinking that inhibiting cortisol would allow insulin levels to rise, as cortisol is released in response to insulin spike to regulate it.

    No big deal if you dont know, but Im just curious. I would find it to be more effective to increase cortisol sensitivity in the body, which will reduce the need for cortisol. But I have not done enough research on cortisol elimination to make a solid argument.

    Any idea how much this will affect cortisol levels...you wouldnt want to eliminate all cortisol from the body..but what impact does it have on levels?
    Most of the research shows PS lowering cortisol 20-30% compared to placebo in exercising groups. Your certainly not going to get cortisol to sub-physiological levels though.

    As far as insulin metabolism, PS may indirectly promote insulin sensitivity since high cortisol can promote insulin resistance.

    -Pp

    Stress-Related Cortisol Secretion in Men: Relationships with Abdominal Obesity and Endocrine, Metabolic and Hemodynamic Abnormalities
    Roland Rosmond, et al.
    J. Clin. Endocrinol. Metab., Jun 1998; 83: 1853 - 1859.

  5. I would just like you to understand that whatever you do take the guy that muched "rebound" is correct. I dont believe in PCT because 1) I have no proof they actually work, I'm relying on claims, just like I rely on claims when using any test booster. 2) If you use a pct you are just ****ing with another system in your body "supressing" or "stimulating" and then your going to need a pct for that pct so on and so on. The body workson positive and negative feedback there will always be a reaction to a reaction.

  6. I have used 800 mg of PS 5 days/week for 3 months then 200 mg whenever I find myself in a stressful situation.

    I get my blood checked during my bi-annual check-up and my blood sugar and insulin levels are always in the optimal range. PS makes up 10-20% of the phospholipids in the brain and if it wasn't so expensive, I would use it every day.

    There are a hell of a lot more questionable supplements out there that I would think twice about taking, but Phophatidyl Serine and Phospatidyl Choline are products that I try to take on a regular basis along with my vitamins, minerals and Omega 3s.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by terminator;
    I have used 800 mg of PS 5 days/week for 3 months then 200 mg whenever I find myself in a stressful situation.

    I get my blood checked during my bi-annual check-up and my blood sugar and insulin levels are always in the optimal range. PS makes up 10-20% of the phospholipids in the brain and if it wasn't so expensive, I would use it every day.

    There are a hell of a lot more questionable supplements out there that I would think twice about taking, but Phophatidyl Serine and Phospatidyl Choline are products that I try to take on a regular basis along with my vitamins, minerals and Omega 3s.
    You are right. Although the phospholipid, phosphatidylserine, is found in all cells, it is found in its highest concentrations in brain cellular membranes. In fact, it makes up about 70% of brain tissue mass. PS is one compound I would really like to take daily. Forever.
    PS is a truly versatile compound. Apart from its cognitive-enhancement property, PS is a potent cortisol receptor sensitizer. This means it normalizes and optimizes cortisol levels and cortisol synthesis. High cortisol levels correlate with high blood glucose and insulin levels, as well as loss in lean mass. Furthermore, by contributing to the regulation of the hypothalamo-pituitary-adrenal axis, PS acts as an effective antidepressant. Something else. PS is also a prolactin receptor sensitizer, inhibiting elevations in prolactin levels. I wish PS were cheaper!
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    You are right. Although the phospholipid, phosphatidylserine, is found in all cells, it is found in its highest concentrations in brain cellular membranes. In fact, it makes up about 70% of brain tissue mass. PS is one compound I would really like to take daily. Forever.
    PS is a truly versatile compound. Apart from its cognitive-enhancement property, PS is a potent cortisol receptor sensitizer. This means it normalizes and optimizes cortisol levels and cortisol synthesis. High cortisol levels correlate with high blood glucose and insulin levels, as well as loss in lean mass. Furthermore, by contributing to the regulation of the hypothalamo-pituitary-adrenal axis, PS acts as an effective antidepressant. Something else. PS is also a prolactin receptor sensitizer, inhibiting elevations in prolactin levels. I wish PS were cheaper!
    Hey dont forget the balls!

    PS makes up 6% of the phopholipid pool in the testes...

    -Pp

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf;
    Hey dont forget the balls!

    PS makes up 6% of the phopholipid pool in the testes...

    -Pp
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  10. I've heard good things about Ps and am willing to give it a go.
    Last edited by John Smeton; 04-13-2008 at 11:55 PM. Reason: Found the studies on 7-keto-dhea
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  11. So has anyone given endoamp a try?? Feed back??

  12. giving it a try for my pct in a month or so... It's being logged under "watch me grow, or die trying"

  13. Quote Originally Posted by gibbob2 View Post
    giving it a try for my pct in a month or so... It's being logged under "watch me grow, or die trying"
    sounds good bro

  14. Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
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    :-)

    -Pp

  15. Cissus + high dosed Vitamin C is a great daytime cort blocker. Some cortisol is good and required for optimum health. You don't want to block all, or even too much for that matter.

  16. So this product is supposed to be superior to the Lean-X/Activate stack I am currently using? Replace the LX with this?


  17. Quote Originally Posted by StanChampion View Post
    So this product is supposed to be superior to the Lean-X/Activate stack I am currently using? Replace the LX with this?


    Yes, especially for PCT when supporting natural testosterone production is most important.

    -Pp

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    Yes, especially for PCT when supporting natural testosterone production is most important.

    -Pp
    hmm I will keep my eye on this. I am not in PCT right now. I am just doing a Activate/LeanX stack to help me get back into the gym after a year layoff due to work. I am 36 and needed a little extra kick I work out 6 days a week.

    I plan on doing another Superdrol run in a few months after my tendons and such are back up to speed. Might look into this for PCT.

  19. i used a product with 100mg 7-keto dea, Lj100 80mg and 375mg horny goatweed and zinc and narigin. i went up to 5 capsules a day over 10 weeks. I found it great in my mood and the stress of changing jobs and study. My strengh went up by 15-20% but by the end i did have extremely achy joints especially shoulders. At the time i did not know why. But ready these post i see why. And looking back i guess i did crash/ rebound. How do you stop rebound. Would it have been better to slowly lower dosages?

  20. hey man, I love the product, but there is no way in hell it yeilds 30 servings... Most likely only 24, no biggie but still

  21. Quote Originally Posted by wood23 View Post
    i used a product with 100mg 7-keto dea, Lj100 80mg and 375mg horny goatweed and zinc and narigin. i went up to 5 capsules a day over 10 weeks. I found it great in my mood and the stress of changing jobs and study. My strengh went up by 15-20% but by the end i did have extremely achy joints especially shoulders. At the time i did not know why. But ready these post i see why. And looking back i guess i did crash/ rebound. How do you stop rebound. Would it have been better to slowly lower dosages?
    The 7keto is going to have that effect on your hormone levels either way... tapering would'nt really help anything. In fact, cold turkey is allways the best way to drop sex hormones.

    gibbon,

    We changed containers and dosing spoons recently to make sure guys are getting a more accurate dose. Did you get one of the original cans?

    -Pp

  22. I have no idea weather it was the new or old container, This is the first time I bought it.

    THe kit I got was the test booster, with endo, toco, and sustain.

    Glad to hear the problem has been fixed. casue I got a little worried around day 20 thinking I hardly had any left.

  23. might have to add this for pct

  24. Good call

  25. [QUOTE=Primordial Perf;1385348]The 7keto is going to have that effect on your hormone levels either way... tapering would'nt really help anything. In fact, cold turkey is allways the best way to drop sex hormones.

    What do you mean cold turkey is the best way to drop sex hormones? I did notice my sex drive took a massive dive after i stopped. It is about 2months on and it is now just getting back.
    Cheers.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by StanChampion View Post
    So this product is supposed to be superior to the Lean-X/Activate stack I am currently using? Replace the LX with this?

    No. There is NO science to show that transdermal ps would be better then LX. Youve got the best combo, dont change anything. The studies used by Primordial to push ps are not comparable to ORAL 7OH and 5AT use.

    Transdermal 7oxo is NOT the same as oral 7OH or 5AT.

    5AT works through a completely seperate pathway (cytokine) and is not anabolic/ androgenic or supressive.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by Designer Supps View Post
    No. There is NO science to show that transdermal ps would be better then LX. Youve got the best combo, dont change anything. The studies used by Primordial to push ps are not comparable to ORAL 7OH and 5AT use.

    Transdermal 7oxo is NOT the same as oral 7OH or 5AT.

    5AT works through a completely seperate pathway (cytokine) and is not anabolic/ androgenic or supressive.
    DS,

    Our PS is not transdermal. Its oral, and its effectiveness at lowering cortisol (and raising testosterone) has been proven in over a dozen in-vivo human studies. (more than any ingredient in LX)

    And lets be honest with the members here...

    There is no research showing 7OH or 5AT (DHEA metabolite's) do not negativly influence the HPTA. In fact, any research with these hormones (that examines testosterone) shows a lower testosterone level.

    Wood,

    Tapering doesnt help the HPTA regain natural production, it only prolongs it. Just straight dropping the exogenous hormones is the best choice.

    -Pp

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    DS,

    Our PS is not transdermal. Its oral, and its effectiveness at lowering cortisol (and raising testosterone) has been proven in over a dozen in-vivo human studies. (more than any ingredient in LX)

    And lets be honest with the members here...

    There is no research showing 7OH or 5AT (DHEA metabolite's) do not negativly influence the HPTA. In fact, any research with these hormones (that examines testosterone) shows a lower testosterone level.

    -Pp
    Great, lets be honest.

    I have never said that PS is not a good compound, but its not better then LX.

    Please post the studies showing an increase in FREE test (the usable form) by PS, in-vivo.

    Please post the studies showing that oral use of 7OH and 5AT are suppressive to testosterone. NOT 7OXO.

    Please post a study that shows PS use increases lean muscle, in-vitro or in-vivo.

    Here is the in-vivo study that shows Forskolin increases lean muscle:
    Obes Res. 2005 Aug;13(8):1335-43.Links
    Body composition and hormonal adaptations associated with forskolin consumption in overweight and obese men.Godard MP, Johnson BA, Richmond SR.

    PS is a good compound, sell it on its own merits instead of trying to bash other formulas which have more research, with better results.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    DS,

    Our PS is not transdermal. Its oral, and its effectiveness at lowering cortisol (and raising testosterone) has been proven in over a dozen in-vivo human studies. (more than any ingredient in LX)

    Please also post studies that show PS derived from soy (your product) as having the same effects as PS derived from bovine brain.

    It is my understanding that Bovine derived and Soy derived PS are not the same things, nor do they have the same effects, unfortunately Bovine PS is not available.
  

  
 

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