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The #1 Cortisol Blocker

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    Originally Posted by Vegking View Post
    doesn't high cortisol after a workout help the muscle building process. Why derail the signaling process for muscle growth? Or, am I way off on this?


    The only time you should have a spike in cortisol is your last few hours of sleep. Otherwise, elevated cortisol throughout the day is a sign of excessive stress or nutritional deficiency – ie insufficient protein, carbs, ect.

    Having a high testosterone to cortisol ratio is what you want for the muscle building process.

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    just based on the above quote, would a cortisol blocker only be beneficial for bodybuilders coming off a cycle? It sounds like a supplement that would reduce stress, also how does it work females? just curious,

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    Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    1) What is the concentration of PS is in the powder? 10%? 20%? More than 20%?
    2) Any reason you do not emphasize PS, or even phospholipids in general, as a potent cognitive agent? PS, as you know, is a key building block in the brain. Low PS levels can lead to cognitive decline. PS supports supports brain utilization of fuel, supports the production of the neurotransmitter acetylcholine, and optimizes glucose metabolism, cumulatively leading to cognitive enhancement. This aspect may be important because high cortisol levels can also lead to cognitive decline.
    Our PS powder is 50% PS.

    You are right about all the cognitive benefits, but we wanted to market PS with a new angle – testicular protection, higher testosterone, faster recovery, ect. We are trying to present PS as a serious bodybuilding supplement, without washing it out by listing too many benefits.

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    Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    The only time you should have a spike in cortisol is your last few hours of sleep. Otherwise, elevated cortisol throughout the day is a sign of excessive stress or nutritional deficiency – ie insufficient protein, carbs, ect.

    Having a high testosterone to cortisol ratio is what you want for the muscle building process.

    -Pp
    You don't want cortisol super-high my friend

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    Originally Posted by gibbob2 View Post
    just based on the above quote, would a cortisol blocker only be beneficial for bodybuilders coming off a cycle? It sounds like a supplement that would reduce stress, also how does it work females? just curious,
    PS is beneficial for everyone, including women.

    We promote it for PCT because it so easy for cortisol to dominate during this time when testosterone levels are low.

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    Originally Posted by smeton_yea View Post
    You don't want cortisol super-high my friend
    Right, high testosterone, low cortisol.

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    Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    Our PS powder is 50% PS.
    Wow! That's quite potent. The maximum I have seen is 20%. Sounds like a good deal.

    Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    You are right about all the cognitive benefits, but we wanted to market PS with a new angle – testicular protection, higher testosterone, faster recovery, ect. We are trying to present PS as a serious bodybuilding supplement, without washing it out by listing too many benefits.

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    I think I will be another PP addict soon...

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    Originally Posted by jjohn View Post
    I think I will be another PP addict soon...
    The X-factor and Phytotest Stack, that has potential to be insanely sick. Even better yet the muscle building stack with x-factor run throughout, I can feel myself growing just thinking about it.
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    Question...

    what affects will this have on insulin levels?

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    Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    Our PS powder is 50% PS.

    You are right about all the cognitive benefits, but we wanted to market PS with a new angle – testicular protection, higher testosterone, faster recovery, ect. We are trying to present PS as a serious bodybuilding supplement, without washing it out by listing too many benefits.

    -Pp
    I've been using Phospatidylserine to reduce cortisol levels and to reduce stress for years now and I absolutely believe it is one of the best ingredients to reduce cortisol levels.

    I love how it made me feel mellow in stressful situations at work as well.

    I took Leci-PS that was 90% PS and I beleive I was paying around $150 fo a 30 day, 800mg supply, so at 50% PS, your product is still a much greater value!

    When I get some cash, I'll have to tae advantage of this offer.

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    Originally Posted by Palo Alto Labs View Post
    Question...

    what affects will this have on insulin levels?
    No effects on insulin as far as I know.

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    Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    No effects on insulin as far as I know.

    -Pp
    Cortisol counteracts insulin..
    which would leave my thinking that inhibiting cortisol would allow insulin levels to rise, as cortisol is released in response to insulin spike to regulate it.

    No big deal if you dont know, but Im just curious. I would find it to be more effective to increase cortisol sensitivity in the body, which will reduce the need for cortisol. But I have not done enough research on cortisol elimination to make a solid argument.

    Any idea how much this will affect cortisol levels...you wouldnt want to eliminate all cortisol from the body..but what impact does it have on levels?

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    Originally Posted by Palo Alto Labs View Post
    Cortisol counteracts insulin..
    which would leave my thinking that inhibiting cortisol would allow insulin levels to rise, as cortisol is released in response to insulin spike to regulate it.

    No big deal if you dont know, but Im just curious. I would find it to be more effective to increase cortisol sensitivity in the body, which will reduce the need for cortisol. But I have not done enough research on cortisol elimination to make a solid argument.

    Any idea how much this will affect cortisol levels...you wouldnt want to eliminate all cortisol from the body..but what impact does it have on levels?
    Most of the research shows PS lowering cortisol 20-30% compared to placebo in exercising groups. Your certainly not going to get cortisol to sub-physiological levels though.

    As far as insulin metabolism, PS may indirectly promote insulin sensitivity since high cortisol can promote insulin resistance.

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    Stress-Related Cortisol Secretion in Men: Relationships with Abdominal Obesity and Endocrine, Metabolic and Hemodynamic Abnormalities
    Roland Rosmond, et al.
    J. Clin. Endocrinol. Metab., Jun 1998; 83: 1853 - 1859.
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    I would just like you to understand that whatever you do take the guy that muched "rebound" is correct. I dont believe in PCT because 1) I have no proof they actually work, I'm relying on claims, just like I rely on claims when using any test booster. 2) If you use a pct you are just ****ing with another system in your body "supressing" or "stimulating" and then your going to need a pct for that pct so on and so on. The body workson positive and negative feedback there will always be a reaction to a reaction.

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    I have used 800 mg of PS 5 days/week for 3 months then 200 mg whenever I find myself in a stressful situation.

    I get my blood checked during my bi-annual check-up and my blood sugar and insulin levels are always in the optimal range. PS makes up 10-20% of the phospholipids in the brain and if it wasn't so expensive, I would use it every day.

    There are a hell of a lot more questionable supplements out there that I would think twice about taking, but Phophatidyl Serine and Phospatidyl Choline are products that I try to take on a regular basis along with my vitamins, minerals and Omega 3s.

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    Originally Posted by terminator;
    I have used 800 mg of PS 5 days/week for 3 months then 200 mg whenever I find myself in a stressful situation.

    I get my blood checked during my bi-annual check-up and my blood sugar and insulin levels are always in the optimal range. PS makes up 10-20% of the phospholipids in the brain and if it wasn't so expensive, I would use it every day.

    There are a hell of a lot more questionable supplements out there that I would think twice about taking, but Phophatidyl Serine and Phospatidyl Choline are products that I try to take on a regular basis along with my vitamins, minerals and Omega 3s.
    You are right. Although the phospholipid, phosphatidylserine, is found in all cells, it is found in its highest concentrations in brain cellular membranes. In fact, it makes up about 70% of brain tissue mass. PS is one compound I would really like to take daily. Forever.
    PS is a truly versatile compound. Apart from its cognitive-enhancement property, PS is a potent cortisol receptor sensitizer. This means it normalizes and optimizes cortisol levels and cortisol synthesis. High cortisol levels correlate with high blood glucose and insulin levels, as well as loss in lean mass. Furthermore, by contributing to the regulation of the hypothalamo-pituitary-adrenal axis, PS acts as an effective antidepressant. Something else. PS is also a prolactin receptor sensitizer, inhibiting elevations in prolactin levels. I wish PS were cheaper!
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    Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    You are right. Although the phospholipid, phosphatidylserine, is found in all cells, it is found in its highest concentrations in brain cellular membranes. In fact, it makes up about 70% of brain tissue mass. PS is one compound I would really like to take daily. Forever.
    PS is a truly versatile compound. Apart from its cognitive-enhancement property, PS is a potent cortisol receptor sensitizer. This means it normalizes and optimizes cortisol levels and cortisol synthesis. High cortisol levels correlate with high blood glucose and insulin levels, as well as loss in lean mass. Furthermore, by contributing to the regulation of the hypothalamo-pituitary-adrenal axis, PS acts as an effective antidepressant. Something else. PS is also a prolactin receptor sensitizer, inhibiting elevations in prolactin levels. I wish PS were cheaper!
    Hey dont forget the balls!

    PS makes up 6% of the phopholipid pool in the testes...

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    Originally Posted by Primordial Perf;
    Hey dont forget the balls!

    PS makes up 6% of the phopholipid pool in the testes...

    -Pp
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    I've heard good things about Ps and am willing to give it a go.
    Last edited by John Smeton; 04-13-2008 at 09:55 PM. Reason: Found the studies on 7-keto-dhea

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