NOS ETHER.....should I still put it out?

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Hey everyone, I got a question....what type of creatine product are you guys using. Also do you ever use a product for strength/power or is most of your money spent on hormonal products and stims and protein?

NOS ETHER is probably my best across the board great feedback from everyone that uses it but its not selling as well as it should be, esp. not with the reviews of people calling it the best none hormonal strength product they have ever used.

So what Im thinking about is should I even still put it out or is the creatine market so saturated that people are just being lured into using other products because they taste good and have glycerol and stims in them.

The newest blue bottle version has been on hold because I dont really see NOS ETHER moving at half the speed of DTH, when to me if I have to have one supplement out of everything I take it would be NOS ETHER.

Maybe I need more BS in the write up because there are NO products out that cost more than ETHER but some people call it a pricey creatine product.
 
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I was actually gonna put it in my order last week and Np but they were sold out. Im really interested in trying some, the reviews all seem to be positive but im a loyal Np buyer. If they have some next time I place an order Ill def pick some up.
 
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Creatine never really did anything for me. The only two products I tried that worked were Vasocharge and EAS PHOSPHAGEN ELITE. I don't know if you would call Vasocharge a pure creatine product thought or just a pre-workout formula. I do love it though. Recently I also tried Eas Phosphagen Elite when I switched to a more carb heavy diet. I loved the results of it, strength power and endurance. I was gonna sell it on the aution here when I decided to switch back to low-carb. Now I am back eating carbs again. Seems I have trouble making up my mind(understatement of the year!). Anyway the reason I chose EAS PHOSPHAGEN ELITE is because it has creatine mono as a main ingredient. Most creatine products today can't say that. Creatine mono has had years and years of testing and has a solid results packed background. Truely I am sick of seeing all these new creatine products that have so little testing and have not been proven to be safe and effective. I am having a hard time deciding whether or not to take it off the aution and just use it myself. It is pretty expensive but if I take half a dose or one scoop it will last 40 days.
 

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I seriously hope you are not going to pull NOS. Please keep it. Why not give people what they want? Put some glyercol in it. I dont care about glycerol but if it's cheap then put it in. Maybe put 2 versions out. One like No Explode the other this version.

You make good products and I'm confident you could make a better NO explode.

People like category products I think. Like Prewo stim/test booster/ etc. Nos Ether doesnt fall into the "usual" marketing category it seems. So...make it fit. Just keep it.
 
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I liked it from doing 5 days worth, but decided I wanted to save it to do a full cycle of 2 tubs for when i wasn't using anything else too exotic, to really get a feel for it.
 
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what a sad day that would be if you stop making it. its the creatine product use and the only one i have stuck with. i love the stuff
 
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I was actually gonna put it in my order last week and Np but they were sold out. Im really interested in trying some, the reviews all seem to be positive but im a loyal Np buyer. If they have some next time I place an order Ill def pick some up.
Me too, almost. I placed an order, but wanted to buy NOS Ether and couldn't.
 

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I should add that your previous bottles were pretty lack luster in style and flash. They were just basic. But your new packaging is sick! R4W is real cool. All the NO explodes and superpumps have flashy labels and marketing. You have the labels now. Hire some reps on bb.com and here. You can"pimp" with class. lol

Reps are cheap and they may be able to generate some more business and interest in your stuff.
 
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I was actually gonna put it in my order last week and Np but they were sold out. Im really interested in trying some, the reviews all seem to be positive but im a loyal Np buyer. If they have some next time I place an order Ill def pick some up.
They wont have it again until I do another run.
 
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I seriously hope you are not going to pull NOS. Please keep it. Why not give people what they want? Put some glyercol in it. I dont care about glycerol but if it's cheap then put it in. Maybe put 2 versions out. One like No Explode the other this version.

You make good products and I'm confident you could make a better NO explode.

People like category products I think. Like Prewo stim/test booster/ etc. Nos Ether doesnt fall into the "usual" marketing category it seems. So...make it fit. Just keep it.
I dont think its an issue of glycerol per se with people wanting it, they just want a promise of all these lean muscle gains like with products like size on. Glycerol will do nothing for my main powerlifter base and actually they will get pissed its making them hold water weight. Im just asking if people are using creatine/ATP products for strength or are people just buying the creatine pre-workout stim products or what.
 
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I should add that your previous bottles were pretty lack luster in style and flash. They were just basic. But your new packaging is sick! R4W is real cool. All the NO explodes and superpumps have flashy labels and marketing. You have the labels now. Hire some reps on bb.com and here. You can"pimp" with class. lol

Reps are cheap and they may be able to generate some more business and interest in your stuff.
Yeah I just dont believe in reps pimping all over msg boards. Its a little annoying when someone ask "whats a good blablabla" and 20 reps from one company post "use this product, its the best" and its the products they rep for.
 
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i have never seen the ingredient profile for NOS ether before, this is the first time, it seems like a solid formula. i like the fact that it has alcar, ala, coq 10.
i might give it a try.
 

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I dont think its an issue of glycerol per se with people wanting it, they just want a promise of all these lean muscle gains like with products like size on. Glycerol will do nothing for my main powerlifter base and actually they will get pissed its making them hold water weight. Im just asking if people are using creatine/ATP products for strength or are people just buying the creatine pre-workout stim products or what.
At the end of the day, the BB market wants mo muscle. People also want to "feel" their products are working. One of the reasons Size On is so popular is the glycerol/carbs gives an immediate visual effect where NOS isnt immediate. Same with Superpump, it's "immediate" because of the stims.

I, personally, alternate a bottle of superpump with R4W and NOS Ether. I use just 1 scoop of superpump for wo days. I do it to save money personally.
 

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Yeah I just dont believe in reps pimping all over msg boards. Its a little annoying when someone ask "whats a good blablabla" and 20 reps from one company post "use this product, its the best" and its the products they rep for.
Yeah, sometimes only the reps will reply in a thread making it a one sided affair. Well fight fire with fire then. You are loosing some business because of situations like that. So, if you want to keep it respectable, why not try one rep on one board for a little while. They are cheap Chuck. And if you had a respectable rep, you'll just draw favourable attention to your products.

Hell, isnt there a Reaper or a Reaver guy on this board that uses tons of DT. He can actually speak from an unbiased perspective when recommending your products ;)
 
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Although i'm sure there would be some battles over test boosters :D i don't see a whole lot of reps posting too much on their respective companies' creatine products, now that you mention it.
 

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Although i'm sure there would be some battles over test boosters :D i don't see a whole lot of reps posting too much on their respective companies' creatine products, now that you mention it.
True dat. It's fat burner vs fat burner and hormone vs hormone. But then you have the Size ON and Green Mag and White Fllod crew at bb.com talking incessantly how great those products are. NOS doesnt get attention. That's it's problem IMO
 
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I would also have to recommend some more"pimping" even tho it can get annoying if done wrong. Its just business, the product isn't as visible as most of the competitors. Maybe send out a few bottles for logs or samples and let the word circulate around the AM forums.
 
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Although i'm sure there would be some battles over test boosters :D i don't see a whole lot of reps posting too much on their respective companies' creatine products, now that you mention it.
because there are not 2 many "above" average creatine products. I guess thats half the problem, people think anything with creatine is just like everything else with creatine.

Im trying to find out more along the lines of: Are any of you guys using none stimulant based creatine products like sizeon, clout, NOS ETHER or getting the best strength/endurance isnt really a priority. Truth be told outside of diet and prosteroids, a good strength product will lead to better size gains than anything else.
 
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I would also have to recommend some more"pimping" even tho it can get annoying if done wrong. Its just business, the product isn't as visible as most of the competitors. Maybe send out a few bottles for logs or samples and let the word circulate around the AM forums.
yeah did that, there are tons of reviews for NOS ETHER at NP, on the am forum and at bb.com. I will think about it, maybe market it more in powerlifting USA because I dont think its really good for the "I want to gain 10lbs by April market" which is what most buyers of sups fall under these days with most of them being young and small.
 
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There are very few supplements I continuously do/would spend my money on, and I'd have to say NOS ETHER is at the absolute top of my list. Although I'm not a power lifter, strength is extremely important to me and the most dramatic effect from NOS.

I got my friend on NOS who doesn't belong to forums, and he's bought 2-3 bottles total I think. He also asked me if it had Viagra in it, but more importantly loves the strength. I have no idea why this wouldn't sell well, and I'll have to ponder that question and come back, but I'd be severely disappointed to see it go.
 
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I think that price is one thing that often sways most consumers from buying Ether. I'm sure if I figured out the price of buying it in bulk it would be very reasonably priced, but I think that's one of most people concerns. Also, if you had more ad's I think it would help business a lot. I know they're expensive as hell and you're not all about pimping your products to hell, which is the main reason we don't advertise. At any rate, I can't wait to try Ether, and I hope that you do not discontinue it.
 
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Ive just taken 6 weeks of sizeon.. it was good.. no doubt, i gained strength, but gained no size...

im on nos ether, bit hard to compare as of yet, but i think my strength is the same....good pumps tho..

ill have to review it after the tub!

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I like how you try to take the "knock the competitors to make yourself look good" approach. :thumbsup:

I'd say keep NOS Ether in the lineup, there's no reason not to. Good reviews on it all around.
 
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I like how you try to take the "knock the competitors to make yourself look good" approach. :thumbsup:

I'd say keep NOS Ether in the lineup, there's no reason not to. Good reviews on it all around.
Did you mean to say "try not to take the ..."?
 
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You're not wrong by any means man.........I'd say Chuck's intention here is not knocking anyone else's products by any means. He has a genuine question, and he is right that his product may sell less than it rightfully should be selling.
 
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Yeah I just dont believe in reps pimping all over msg boards. Its a little annoying when someone ask "whats a good blablabla" and 20 reps from one company post "use this product, its the best" and its the products they rep for.
i see where your coming from, but its not all companies that only pimp their own stuff....If there is something I like, i tell people, if I dont like it, i tell people....
I am only using reset ad right now from my company. Im not afraid to tell people that. Sorry for the mini-rant, I know how you feel about reps, just dont want all reps under the same light....

I honestly think if your product is truely effective you should still produce it bro. Its kinda sad to see that soooooooo many people depend on hormonal products today though. I get a kick out of people asking questions like "what should I take inbetween my superdrol cycles".......rediculous.
 
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You're not wrong by any means man.........I'd say Chuck's intention here is not knocking anyone else's products by any means. He has a genuine question, and he is right that his product may sell less than it rightfully should be selling.
OK, then we are thinking the same thing. In reading your prior post I somehow thought you were saying otherwise. I'll go back to my little corner of the web now.
 
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Ha-Ha! Hell, I tell people about DTH and Incarnate more than AXIS products. I don't believe in telling someone to use a product unless I have used it with great results. I pride myself on being unbiased.

To answer your original question... I was planning on buying some, so I hope you put it back out.
 
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Bottom Line... Don't change your morals and use BS write ups, and don't take this product off the market. Keep doing what your doing and if NOS Ether is half as good as I have heard the sales will catch up.
 
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I loved Nos Ether myself. Great product that i got a lot out of. Ive also use vasocharge as well. They are both very good products that i would definately use again without hesitation.

Id keep it chuck, even if you run smaller amounts. You know how to run your bussiness but i beleive its a stellar product.
 
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Nos Ether is by far my favorite Get Diesel supp, I hope you keep making it. Without Ether DTH would be the only Diesel product I'd consider buying again, and ever since you added argenine to dth I don't see myself buying it again.
 
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There are very few supplements I continuously do/would spend my money on, and I'd have to say NOS ETHER is at the absolute top of my list. Although I'm not a power lifter, strength is extremely important to me and the most dramatic effect from NOS.

I got my friend on NOS who doesn't belong to forums, and he's bought 2-3 bottles total I think. He also asked me if it had Viagra in it, but more importantly loves the strength. I have no idea why this wouldn't sell well, and I'll have to ponder that question and come back, but I'd be severely disappointed to see it go.
thanks, it sells "ok" but not no where near what DTH does, and it should be moving as well as DTH or better because there are more creatine users and people who stay on creatine month after month. This guy at a sup. store by my office said he keeps waking up with boners on NOS ETHER.

I really think most "strength" trainers think its a NO product and they know NO products dont do sht, and then the "gain 10lbs by summer" consumers see it as another creatine product. So maybe if there was more BS in the write-up or something but we will see. I dont really know how well products like size-on, clout or horse power do....or rankok (sp) stim free does but I know thats not those companies best sellers.

I know Im not putting glycerol in it so people can gain some water weight or caffeine because the instructions for use would change.
 
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I think that price is one thing that often sways most consumers from buying Ether. I'm sure if I figured out the price of buying it in bulk it would be very reasonably priced, but I think that's one of most people concerns. Also, if you had more ad's I think it would help business a lot. I know they're expensive as hell and you're not all about pimping your products to hell, which is the main reason we don't advertise. At any rate, I can't wait to try Ether, and I hope that you do not discontinue it.
Ether is 40 bucks. Way less than other creatine/no products. There are cheaper creatine only products but I dont want to say that they are not ETHER, I just know the margins are low on my line and I could do a $30 creatine/NO product but it woudnt be ETHER.

People are paying 35-45 bucks for NO only products. Anyway I dont thing the price is a problem now. Well unless people just see it as "creatine."
 
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Hmm yeah, so how do you either remove the NO connotation for strength trainers or remove the creatine connotation for the users that would bother?? I'm not talking about reformulation, i'm talking about how its marketed.
 
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I like how you try to take the "knock the competitors to make yourself look good" approach. :thumbsup:
Did you mean to say "try not to take the ..."?
OK, but I'm confused (nothing new). I did not see this thread as anyone knocking anyone else's product. Am I wrong/thick?
You're not wrong by any means man.........I'd say Chuck's intention here is not knocking anyone else's products by any means. He has a genuine question, and he is right that his product may sell less than it rightfully should be selling.
What?

Im not knocking anyones creatine or NO product, Im asking are creatine based strength/power products a part of a lot of you guy's every day stack or do you just go with the cheapest creatine or what.

I like my products to be compared to the best out in every cat., just because I want to know where my products stand but thats not knocking someones product as in saying its garbarge or something like that.
 
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Ether is 40 bucks. Way less than other creatine/no products. There are cheaper creatine only products but I dont want to say that they are not ETHER, I just know the margins are low on my line and I could do a $30 creatine/NO product but it woudnt be ETHER.

People are paying 35-45 bucks for NO only products. Anyway I dont thing the price is a problem now. Well unless people just see it as "creatine."
Im assuming he was thinking of the old pricing.

I always thought the rediculous price tag was whats holding people back.

I tested the new version for you on another forum, and the version before that and I can truly say the new versions have gotten better while actually getting cheaper in price.

I consider Clout, Ether and Size-On to all be in the same price category now, and all three are pretty close in servings/container.
 
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to me using a creatine as well as an NO product is a complete staple, but I'm still more about the size + look rather than really caring so much about the strength
 
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and ever since you added argenine to dth I don't see myself buying it again.
what? Nothing was removed from the product, the tabs are just bigger....the red bottle DTH is the best version of DT to date.
 
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and yes I realize the NO products are mostly for how it feels, not providing significant benefit.

I'm really wondering now what day 5 on NOS ether combined with Hemodraulix would feel like
 
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to me using a creatine as well as an NO product is a complete staple, but I'm still more about the size + look rather than really caring so much about the strength
yeah but no creatine product is going to give you more "size" than the other per se. Its just all bs in the write ups.

Im just not going to promise people these huge size gains on NOS ETHER eventhough people do get bigger on it. I think size is more based on your diet and how you train.

Its just I get alot of PM's on people saying they want to get stronger and bigger and they insist on using DTH over NOS ETHER and DTH does help people get stronger but there is no way it is a better product for strength and LMM over NOS ETHER.....I think it all comes down to people thinking creatine is creatine....and half the people not training at a level to know one creatine/ATP product from the next.
 
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what? Nothing was removed from the product, the tabs are just bigger....the red bottle DTH is the best version of DT to date.
your telling me you added argenine to the already 1.7g pills? Cuz the sites Ive seen still list the total to roughly 1.7g per pill.

If this is true and there is the same amount of every other ingredient PLUS argenine than I'll likely run it again in the future and log it again on bb dot com.

My main beef with GD right now is it seems those 100cap bottles actually have less actives than the 60 cap bottles used to (referring to TTE, R4W, etc) I had assumed you did the same with DTH.

And I'm not saying this to be rude or anything as I've supported you guys and ran many sponsored and unsponsored logs in the past with GD products.
 
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I have been wanting to try NOS ETHER but it has been out of stock, stacking it with R4W is my plan than later with another DTH run and R4W
 
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yeah but no creatine product is going to give you more "size" than the other per se. Its just all bs in the write ups.

Im just not going to promise people these huge size gains on NOS ETHER eventhough people do get bigger on it. I think size is more based on your diet and how you train.

Its just I get alot of PM's on people saying they want to get stronger and bigger and they insist on using DTH over NOS ETHER and DTH does help people get stronger but there is no way it is a better product for strength and LMM over NOS ETHER.....I think it all comes down to people thinking creatine is creatine....and half the people not training at a level to know one creatine/ATP product from the next.
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Its just I get alot of PM's on people saying they want to get stronger and bigger and they insist on using DTH over NOS ETHER and DTH does help people get stronger but there is no way it is a better product for strength and LMM over NOS ETHER
Well, and particularly not for a 19-21 year old who already has about as much testosterone as can fit in his body like half the guys here.

DTH might help me more than NOS, but only because my natural test is right below bottom of normal, so mine would be easy to double, and then get some easier gains out of.
 
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I think thats related to being able to buy a kilo of creatine mono for $15. plenty of guys pinch pennies there because they don't see or understand the difference that a synergistic formula can make
 

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Honestly a kilo of creatine mono is like 14 bucks these days. And I could care less about NO products.

I would never buy it no offense.

Coq diesel is a different story....there are more important purposes for that. :D
 
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Im assuming he was thinking of the old pricing.

I always thought the rediculous price tag was whats holding people back.

I tested the new version for you on another forum, and the version before that and I can truly say the new versions have gotten better while actually getting cheaper in price.

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The price tag what what it cost to make it, the only thing that has changed since the summer of 2007 till now is the price of Coq10 has went down because before there was only like one supplier out of Japan.
 

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