NOS ETHER.....should I still put it out?

[Chuck Diesel]

Ok.. then don't do it to make it cheaper, but do it for us that prefer MONO, and make it less expensive in the process.

You are asking why it isn't selling as good as it could, and price is most definitely one of the reasons.

Im asking if its important to the kind of consumers on AM to use a strength/power product. Im not asking what can I do to sell more ETHER. ETHER doesnt have a creatine issue, kre-alk isnt no more important to the formula than mag. creatine chelate or ribose. If I put mono in the formula and no krealk its going to go down in price like $4.50 to the consumer.....thats 17 cents a day. I’m not really making products for people trying to save 17cents a day on an effective product. The price isnt "expensive." The only strength/power products that can even be close to ETHER are Clout (same price about as ETHER and it has no NO effect or antioxidant benf) and Size ON (which has no NO effect and is actually about $7 more than ETHER). So Its not an issue of trying to make NOS ETHER as much price wise as say Green Bulge. Its not Green Bulge or bulk creatine.

 

[BigNemo]

mono sux, really it does, it bloats u, makes u look like u took to much d-bol, plus u need all that dam sweet stuff to get it into ur muscles, and its not like u can sip it u have to drink it down otherwise it starts to turn into creatinine, when I took mono my creatinine levels were to high and my doc was all over me about it, switched up and added creatine gluconate to the equation and I feel alot better no blouting or cramps and I dont need kool aid for it to work I think a little mono is ok for some of the water retention but as a standalone:nono: I think chuck is on point with the kre alk, there is a reason why mono is like cheaper than sugar, u get what u pay for.

 

[Frank Reynolds]

Im asking if its important to the kind of consumers on AM to use a strength/power product. Im not asking what can I do to sell more ETHER. ETHER doesnt have a creatine issue, kre-alk isnt no more important to the formula than mag. creatine chelate or ribose. If I put mono in the formula and no krealk its going to go down in price like $4.50 to the consumer.....thats 17 cents a day. I’m not really making products for people trying to save 17cents a day on an effective product. The price isnt "expensive." The only strength/power products that can even be close to ETHER are Clout (same price about as ETHER and it has no NO effect or antioxidant benf) and Size ON (which has no NO effect and is actually about $7 more than ETHER). So Its not an issue of trying to make NOS ETHER as much price wise as say Green Bulge. Its not Green Bulge or bulk creatine.

Ether had NO "no" effects for me. Like i said i enjoyed it, and would/will buy it again, because i didn't buy it for NO type effects.. I was just offering a suggestion as it seems to be the most popular complaint on why people don't buy it.

Honestly i liked it better then DTH, and R4W.

I am giving the new DTH a run, but the last version didn't do much for.

 

[whitedevil74]

Hey everyone, I got a question....what type of creatine product are you guys using. Also do you ever use a product for strength/power or is most of your money spent on hormonal products and stims and protein?

NOS ETHER is probably my best across the board great feedback from everyone that uses it but its not selling as well as it should be, esp. not with the reviews of people calling it the best none hormonal strength product they have ever used.

So what Im thinking about is should I even still put it out or is the creatine market so saturated that people are just being lured into using other products because they taste good and have glycerol and stims in them.

The newest blue bottle version has been on hold because I dont really see NOS ETHER moving at half the speed of DTH, when to me if I have to have one supplement out of everything I take it would be NOS ETHER.

Maybe I need more BS in the write up because there are NO products out that cost more than ETHER but some people call it a pricey creatine product.

It is a great product but for most people it is a bit expensive and I think that is the major deterrent for most people. I think if this product was in the $30 range you would not be able to keep it in stock. I think Clout suffer from the same problem. Both are great products but not great sellers due to the high price. The only other creatine product in that price range is Size On but due to Gaspari's adverrtising budget they can make up for the price through advertising.

 

[Chuck Diesel]

It is a great product but for most people it is a bit expensive and I think that is the major deterrent for most people. I think if this product was in the $30 range you would not be able to keep it in stock. I think Clout suffer from the same problem. Both are great products but not great sellers due to the high price. The only other creatine product in that price range is Size On but due to Gaspari's adverrtising budget they can make up for the price through advertising.

Ok I dont think my question is getting across. Im not trying to ask people why dont they use NOS ETHER versus say Gren Mag or straight bulk creaitne. NOS ETHER is a strength/power builder that works like no other product out....that just so happens to have creatine.

What Im asking is are you AM board members concerned with using a good ATP/strength/power product, or you just consider creatine, creatine and dont really care about strength.

I dont think NOS ETHER is "expensive." Its not $29.99 but its way better than a 29.99 creatine product that just basically give you creatine. I dont think price is an issue, its probably an issue of changing the write up to make the consumer understand why they should use ETHER while bulking at $40 versus some other 4 product $120 stack or some "insulin transport" product for $40 or a cordyceps product for $35.

I sell a nice amount of ETHER from my ads in powerliting USA I just want to know from AM members if a ATP product is important or are most of you guy's money spent on nootropic/stims, prohormones, test boosters, and protein.

 

[whitedevil74]

Hey everyone, I got a question....what type of creatine product are you guys using. Also do you ever use a product for strength/power or is most of your money spent on hormonal products and stims and protein?

NOS ETHER is probably my best across the board great feedback from everyone that uses it but its not selling as well as it should be, esp. not with the reviews of people calling it the best none hormonal strength product they have ever used.

So what Im thinking about is should I even still put it out or is the creatine market so saturated that people are just being lured into using other products because they taste good and have glycerol and stims in them.

The newest blue bottle version has been on hold because I dont really see NOS ETHER moving at half the speed of DTH, when to me if I have to have one supplement out of everything I take it would be NOS ETHER.

Maybe I need more BS in the write up because there are NO products out that cost more than ETHER but some people call it a pricey creatine product.

Your question or should I say questions seems to ask "why is Ether not selling well?" So sorry if I misunderstood.

Hell if you want to keep making it go for it, it is a damn good product and I have two tubs sitting right here. If you don't want to mess with it anymore then stop. What answer are you looking for?

 

[BigNemo]

i dont think its that expensive, at a dollar per serving, u gotta remember what is in it cordyceps an co q10 aint cheap and ribose aint that cheap. Think about products like nano vapor cost more than ether but look at the massive amount of ingredients and suggested dose is 1-3 servings. Yea if ur a lightweight 1 scoop may do u but I wouldn't bet on that, now my fav is cold fusion I still take a couple of things with it like co q10 and norvaline, but I would def try nos ether it is very different from other pre workout formulas.

 

[LatSpread]

Ok I dont think my question is getting across. Im not trying to ask people why dont they use NOS ETHER versus say Gren Mag or straight bulk creaitne. NOS ETHER is a strength/power builder that works like no other product out....that just so happens to have creatine.

What Im asking is are you AM board members concerned with using a good ATP/strength/power product, or you just consider creatine, creatine and dont really care about strength.

I dont think NOS ETHER is "expensive." Its not $29.99 but its way better than a 29.99 creatine product that just basically give you creatine. I dont think price is an issue, its probably an issue of changing the write up to make the consumer understand why they should use ETHER while bulking at $40 versus some other 4 product $120 stack or some "insulin transport" product for $40 or a cordyceps product for $35.

I sell a nice amount of ETHER from my ads in powerliting USA I just want to know from AM members if a ATP product is important or are most of you guy's money spent on nootropic/stims, prohormones, test boosters, and protein.

My answer to that is I would rather have the BEST atp boosting supp rather than combining a solid creatine a solid citruline malate and a good NO2 supp. In my eyes ETHER is a good value as it spans what multiple other supplements cover.

 

[grila jujitsu]

Ok I dont think my question is getting across. Im not trying to ask people why dont they use NOS ETHER versus say Gren Mag or straight bulk creaitne. NOS ETHER is a strength/power builder that works like no other product out....that just so happens to have creatine.

What Im asking is are you AM board members concerned with using a good ATP/strength/power product, or you just consider creatine, creatine and dont really care about strength.

I dont think NOS ETHER is "expensive." Its not $29.99 but its way better than a 29.99 creatine product that just basically give you creatine. I dont think price is an issue, its probably an issue of changing the write up to make the consumer understand why they should use ETHER while bulking at $40 versus some other 4 product $120 stack or some "insulin transport" product for $40 or a cordyceps product for $35.

I sell a nice amount of ETHER from my ads in powerliting USA I just want to know from AM members if a ATP product is important or are most of you guy's money spent on nootropic/stims, prohormones, test boosters, and protein.

i think you just answered your own question.

 

[EasyEJL]

i think you just answered your own question.

I kind of think the same, its that plus the name of product. If it was named Diesel Power or Diesel Strength Formula, and the writeup changed a little in terms of its focus, it would change how first time buyers looked at it.

 

[Chuck Diesel]

:squat:

I kind of think the same, its that plus the name of product. If it was named Diesel Power or Diesel Strength Formula, and the writeup changed a little in terms of its focus, it would change how first time buyers looked at it.

There is a product called DIESEL Power, the name came from a product I had out called Extreme NOS Precusor way back in 2003, when I started using the word NOS no one was using it.
No everyone has watered it down.....but NOS is the NO side of the product, ETHER is the strength/power/endurance/ATP side of the product. But I see what your talking about.

Maybe I will go with ETHER-drol.

 

[ReaperX]

:squat:

There is a product called DIESEL Power, the name came from a product I had out called Extreme NOS Precusor way back in 2003, when I started using the word NOS no one was using it.
No everyone has watered it down.....but NOS is the NO side of the product, ETHER is the strength/power/endurance/ATP side of the product. But I see what your talking about.

Maybe I will go with ETHER-drol.

You're going to need graphs, trademark names (like mass fx), Ronnie Coleman saying he is Mr. Olympia solely from Diesel Test Hardcore, Toss in Jay Cutler as well.


Maybe even have a personal testimony from Ron Jeremy saying before every porn film he does, he takes his R4W and Diesel Test Hardcore to keep him going.




........................you have quite an agenda ur gonna need to accomplish. Better catch Ronnie during his 'off season'.

 

[EasyEJL]

I really only say the name change for the first time buyers. I think anyone who has bought it once won't really care about what its named, and the price is reasonable for its results. But to help separate it from the lumped together category of pump supplements like NO Explode and NO Shotgun, a name change could help. Or include a DVD with your own workout, grunting out "damn these are some pumps" during the workout kind of like NO Shotgun does.

 

[ReaperX]

Methyl-Ether-Drol

'Put on 25 lbs of PURE MUSCLE after just ONE DOSE !!!'**






**Results not typical. Individual results may vary. Statements have not been approved by the FDA. Even if you don't get good results, f.uck you, we still got your money.

 

[BigNemo]

nas ether




[gunshots]

[Nas talking]
("**** Jay-Z")
What's up niggas, ay yo, I know you ain't talkin 'bout me dog
You, what?
("**** Jay-Z")
You been on my **** nigga, you love my style, nigga
("**** Jay-Z")

[Chorus:]
(I) **** with your soul like ether
(Will) Teach you the king you know you
(Not) "God's son" across the belly
(Lose) I prove you lost already

Brace yourself for the main event
Y'all impatiently waitin
It's like an AIDS test, what's the results?
Not positive, who's the best? Pac, Nas and Big
Ain't no best, East, West, North, South, flossed out, greedy
I embrace y'all with napalm
Blows up, no guts, left chest, face gone
How could Nas be garbage?
Semi-autos at your cartilege
Burner at the side of your dome, come outta my throne
I got this, locked since '9-1
I am the truest, name a rapper that I ain't influenced
Gave y'all chapters but now I keep my eyes on the Judas
With Hawaiin Sophie fame, kept my name in his music
Check it

[Chorus]

[talking]
Ay yo, pass me the weed, pour my ashes out on these niggas man (no doubt)
Ay, y'all faggots, y'all kneel and kiss the ****in ring

[Chorus]

I've been ****ed over, left for dead, dissed and fogotten
Luck ran out, they hoped that I'd be gone, stiff and rotten
Y'all just piss on me, **** on me, spit on my grave (uh)
Talk about me, laugh behind my back but in my face
Y'all some "well wishers," friendly actin, envy hidin snakes
With your hands out for my money, man, how much can I take?
When these streets keep callin, heard it when I was sleep
That this Gay-Z and Cockafella Records wanted beef
Started cockin up my weapon, slowly loadin up this ammo
To explode it on a camel, and his soldiers, I can handle
This for dolo and it's manuscript, just sound stupid
When KRS already made an album called Blueprint
First, Biggie's ya man, then you got the nerve to say that you better than Big
**** suckin lips, whyn't you let the late, great veteran live

[talking]
(I...will...not...lose)
"God's son" across the belly, I prove you lost already
The king is back, where my crown at?
(Ill...will) Ill Will rest in peace, let's do it niggas

[Chorus]

Y'all niggas deal with emotions like *****es
What's sad is I love you 'cause you're my brother
You traded your soul for riches
My child, I've watched you grow up to be famous
And now I smile like a proud dad, watchin his only son that made it
You seem to be only concerned with dissin women
Were you abused as a child, scared to smile, they called you ugly?
Well life is hard, hug me, don't reject me
Or make records to disrespect me, blatent or indirectly
In '88 you was gettin chased through your buildin
Callin my crib and I ain't even give you my numbers
All I did was gave you a style for you to run with
Smilin in my face, glad to break bread with the god
Wearin Jaz chains, no tecs, no cash, no cars
No jail bars Jigga, no pies, no case
Just Hawaiian shirts, hangin with little Chase
You a fan, a phony, a fake, a pussy, a Stan
I still whip your ass, you thirty-six in a karate class
You Tae-bo hoe, tryna' work it out, you tryna' get brolic?
Ask me if I'm tryna' kick knowledge
Nah, I'm tryna' kick the **** you need to learn though
That ether, that **** that make your soul burn slow
Is he Dame Diddy, Dame Daddy or Dame Dummy?
Oh, I get it, you Biggie and he's Puffy
Rockafeller died of AIDS, that was the end of his chapter
And that's the guy y'all chose to name your company after?
Put it together, I rock hoes, y'all rock fellas
And now y'all try to take my spot, fellas?
Philly's hot rock fellas, put you in a dry spot, fellas
In a pine box with nine shots from my glock, fellas
Foxy got you hot 'cause you kept your face in her puss
What you think, you gettin girls now 'cause of your looks?
Ne-gro please
You no mustache havin, with whiskers like a rat
Compared to Beans you wack
And your man stabbed Un and made you take the blame
You ass, went from Jaz to hangin with Caine, to Herb, to Big
And, Eminem murdered you on your own ****
You a ****-ridin faggot, you love the attention
Queens niggas run you niggas, ask Russell Simmons
Ha, R-O-C get gunned up and clapped quick
J.J. Evans get gunned up and clapped quick
Your whole damn record label gunned up and clapped quick
Shaun Carter to Jay-Z, damn you on Jaz ****
So little shorty's gettin gunned up and clapped quick
How much of Biggie's rhymes is gon' come out your fat lips?
Wanted to be on every last one of my classics
You pop ****, apologize, nigga, just ask Kiss

oh joy that wasa fun.:woohoo:

 

[Chuck Diesel]

I really only say the name change for the first time buyers. I think anyone who has bought it once won't really care about what its named, and the price is reasonable for its results. But to help separate it from the lumped together category of pump supplements like NO Explode and NO Shotgun, a name change could help. Or include a DVD with your own workout, grunting out "damn these are some pumps" during the workout kind of like NO Shotgun does.

Methyl-Ether-Drol

'Put on 25 lbs of PURE MUSCLE after just ONE DOSE !!!'**






**Results not typical. Individual results may vary. Statements have not been approved by the FDA. Even if you don't get good results, f.uck you, we still got your money.

good ideas.........and get it while its steal legal......might as well throw some DHEA in it.


Anyway seriously, I think all the key points have been addressed and will change in April with the "pretty blue bottle ETHER". Its already on order.....will taste like sweet rasberry lemonade....mixed with some herbs.......I will probably do 2 write ups and the consumer will click on which write up they want to read depending on their training goals. Oh and the blue bottle has Beta Analine so Im doing about 2 pages of the write up (j/k about the 2pages). I probably will only write 2 lines about creatine.

 

[EasyEJL]

make sure you let us know when it lands. I still have a jug of the older version that I was saving to run on a 2 month stretch without anything else.

 

[Chuck Diesel]

make sure you let us know when it lands. I still have a jug of the older version that I was saving to run on a 2 month stretch without anything else.

Im not selling it until all the other NOS ETHER is gone....everywhere.

 

[LatSpread]

good ideas.........and get it while its steal legal......might as well throw some DHEA in it.


Anyway seriously, I think all the key points have been addressed and will change in April with the "pretty blue bottle ETHER". Its already on order.....will taste like sweet rasberry lemonade....mixed with some herbs.......I will probably do 2 write ups and the consumer will click on which write up they want to read depending on their training goals. Oh and the blue bottle has Beta Analine so Im doing about 2 pages of the write up (j/k about the 2pages). I probably will only write 2 lines about creatine.

Damn if the new batch has cit mal and BA it will have clout beat without a shadow of a doubt.

 

[Chuck Diesel]

Damn if the new batch has cit mal and BA it will have clout beat without a shadow of a doubt.

Umm not trying to start something....but I dont know of anyone who said they like Clout over NOS ETHER as it is for strength/power/endurance.....sht Ive seen post of people who said the only thing they have used that compares to NOS ETHER is clout stacked with Body Octane, which is saying a lot because Clout is def. one of the top 3 or so strength building creatine products out (going by consumer feedback).

 

[LatSpread]

Umm not trying to start something....but I dont know of anyone who said they like Clout over NOS ETHER as it is for strength/power/endurance.....sht Ive seen post of people who said the only thing they have used that compares to NOS ETHER is clout stacked with Body Octane, which is saying a lot because Clout is def. one of the top 3 or so strength building creatine products out (going by consumer feedback).

I guess my point was if the new Ether has cit mal and BA in addition to the ribose, kre alk, and so on then there is no other product I could see buying over Ether.

As you know I buy Ether fairly regularly, but I still also by Clout and Thunder when I can find it, as well as the fact that I buy bulk BA and other BA products. What I was trying to convey was I'm happy I can soon get a bottle of Ether and have all my needs covered.

 

[TheLittleGuy]

This will be my next Diesel purchase

 

[jasonschaffin]

Oh and the blue bottle has Beta Analine so Im doing about 2 pages of the write up (j/k about the 2pages). I probably will only write 2 lines about creatine.

BA in Ether is great news! Just hope it doesn't give me the craps again...

 

[Chuck Diesel]

I guess my point was if the new Ether has cit mal and BA in addition to the ribose, kre alk, and so on then there is no other product I could see buying over Ether.

As you know I buy Ether fairly regularly, but I still also by Clout and Thunder when I can find it, as well as the fact that I buy bulk BA and other BA products. What I was trying to convey was I'm happy I can soon get a bottle of Ether and have all my needs covered.

yeah I understand. BA is actually cheap...which is why so many people base products on it. Well cheap compared to Kre-alk and Cit malate....Cit malate is no where near cheap.

 

[Chuck Diesel]

BA in Ether is great news! Just hope it doesn't give me the craps again...

There will be less bicarbonate in the new ETHER and ginger.....also Choline, DMAE, Bacopa, DL-Phenylalanine.....ok im going to stop there because when you talk "new" people think "new and improved" which means whats out must suck, and I dont want people to think that.

O/T this board is always jumping at like 2am.

 

[ReaperX]

So if I use the new version of NOS Ether will I still be pooping in my pants ? I don't want to drop money on NOS Ether again then find out that I have to wear adult diapers.

 

[jasonschaffin]

There will be less bicarbonate in the new ETHER and ginger.....also Choline, DMAE, Bacopa, DL-Phenylalanine.....ok im going to stop there because when you talk "new" people think "new and improved" which means whats out must suck, and I dont want people to think that.

O/T this board is always jumping at like 2am.

Sounds good. Looks like I'll be picking some up when my current is gone.

 

[ReaperX]

So if I use the new version of NOS Ether will I still be pooping in my pants ? I don't want to drop money on NOS Ether again then find out that I have to wear adult diapers.

Bump on my question.

 

[Chuck Diesel]

Bump on my question.

I really dont know but since you have purchased like 10000 GET DIESEL products I will send you a few servings or bottle to try out.

 

[ReaperX]

I really dont know but since you have purchased like 10000 GET DIESEL products I will send you a few servings or bottle to try out.

awesome :head:

 

[Drzman]

So, is Ether coming to nutraplanet anytime soon? It's the only thing missing in my order. Im looking to order like this week so mas rapido por favor!!

 

[Chuck Diesel]

So, is Ether coming to nutraplanet anytime soon? It's the only thing missing in my order. Im looking to order like this week so mas rapido por favor!!

nope

@ april 10th'sh or mayb by the 5th of April.

 

[TripDog]

i see where your coming from, but its not all companies that only pimp their own stuff....If there is something I like, i tell people, if I dont like it, i tell people....
I am only using reset ad right now from my company. Im not afraid to tell people that. Sorry for the mini-rant, I know how you feel about reps, just dont want all reps under the same light....

I honestly think if your product is truely effective you should still produce it bro. Its kinda sad to see that soooooooo many people depend on hormonal products today though. I get a kick out of people asking questions like "what should I take inbetween my superdrol cycles".......rediculous.

:clap2: :goodpost:...Bout time John you had a good post.....ahahahahahahaha J/P...Great point though John......We all work together !!!!

 

[EasyEJL]

For sure, I spend as much time recommending other peoples products as recommending ANs. Drive rocks, but rpm if I take enough to get good stim from, I also get stomach aches + nausea. Same with r4w btw, at 2 i'm ok but not enough boost, at 3 I get the boost but also nausea.

 

[TheLittleGuy]

come on April 10 I will be waiting

 

[Drzman]

Why are the dosing instructions on NP and on the bottle of Ether different? I bought it based on NP serving protocol and now, I realize it won't last me nearly as long as I thought it would. Good job

its not that bad actually but still...make sure the stuff posted is right, its usually a better idea

 

[Chuck Diesel]

Why are the dosing instructions on NP and on the bottle of Ether different? I bought it based on NP serving protocol and now, I realize it won't last me nearly as long as I thought it would. Good job

its not that bad actually but still...make sure the stuff posted is right, its usually a better idea

I think NP just put up what was at bb.com but the currect info on all GET DIESEL products are at getdiesel.com

The directions they have are from the first NOS ETHER from 2005.

They are pretty much the same now, esp if you are under 220lbs.

Its just then it said 1 serving 2x a day on workout days, and now it says 2 scoops 2x a day, but now 2 scoops is a serving. Back then 1 scoop was one serving.

So now the container says 40 servings which is about 80 scoops.

The directions are basically the same.

 

[AdelV]

i gotta admit, this is all im taking atm....
and my strength is pretty dam good, my training partner broke his foot so im all alone and seriously, all my strength is up.. im doing some heavy weights with no spots.. pretty happy!

 

[Chuck Diesel]

i gotta admit, this is all im taking atm....
and my strength is pretty dam good, my training partner broke his foot so im all alone and seriously, all my strength is up.. im doing some heavy weights with no spots.. pretty happy!

Glad your responding 2 it, it never was an issue for the most part of if it works. Just have to change the write up a little for people to realize what it is, versus seeing it as a "NO" product or a "creatine" product.......its ETHER.

 

[cantstop19]

i love the product, its definatley one of the best iv tried, imo since its a strength/power product i would try to get it out to some high school, collegiate teams cause those guys imo would benefit the greatest out of the product and if they like it the word will def spread in a hear beat

 

[Chuck Diesel]

i love the product, its definatley one of the best iv tried, imo since its a strength/power product i would try to get it out to some high school, collegiate teams cause those guys imo would benefit the greatest out of the product and if they like it the word will def spread in a hear beat

yeah gonna try to do that and get some nfl players on it in their off season....and baseball players

 

[cantstop19]

yea mayne cuz the moment they get on that and start seeing results i mean everybody will be taking it, you know how it works

 

[DavidCream]

Hey would this be a good product to use even if I'm not a powerlifter? I'm trying to stay as "cut" as possible while gaining LBM and Strength. Lemme kno...

 

[cantstop19]

yea its a great product regardless, i think chuck is saying most people think its just for powerlifting but its not just for powerlifters, its for everybody is i think what hes getting at, but iv used it and i can personaly say its one of the best supps out there in its category i highly recommend it

 

[Chuck Diesel]

yea its a great product regardless, i think chuck is saying most people think its just for powerlifting but its not just for powerlifters, its for everybody is i think what hes getting at, but iv used it and i can personaly say its one of the best supps out there in its category i highly recommend it

Well the "I dont care how strong I am" croud sees it as a strength/creatine product.....then the "I dont want a Nitric Oxide product, I want to get stronger" people see it as a NO product which most (well all) NO products have no effect on strength.

There are only a few "next level" strength products like ETHER (size on, clout, thunder), but none of those are also NO products....there are several "ok" NO products but none of those are ETHER. Then with ETHER being an endurance product also and most companies selling sep. endurance products from their creaitne or whatever I think its a gift and a curse. So its kinda like I have to some how make everyone happy write-up wise, but cant because people can only relate to products that are the same as other products. I use to have stores calling saying, "well what is NOS ETHER< what other products are like it." When you say its a strength/power product they say, "no it cant be because its a NO product and NO products dont increase strength."

If I say its a creatine product, they say, "Creatine products are all the same, people want pumps."

 

[Chuck Diesel]

Hey would this be a good product to use even if I'm not a powerlifter? I'm trying to stay as "cut" as possible while gaining LBM and Strength. Lemme kno...

Yeah its not only for powerlifters, its for anyone who is working out at any level. It also is probably the only creatine containing product where when you use it your waist actually will get smaller and your body fat will drop as your strength and LMM goes up witch is also a problem per se because all the kids want to "gain weight." They dont want the LBM gains. They want glycerol gains.

 

[GoDeep]

Hey Chuck,

Definately keep it in the line. i never gave it a second thought until i read this thread and now i have a tub. very noticable strength gains in just 3 days using it. i'm sold!!!! THANKS

 

[Chuck Diesel]

Hey Chuck,

Definately keep it in the line. i never gave it a second thought until i read this thread and now i have a tub. very noticable strength gains in just 3 days using it. i'm sold!!!! THANKS

glad u tried it.

I have a small run being finshed by my manufacture in the next 10 days or so, if that moves good I will keep it out. Its not really an issue of results its an issue of people trying it and staying with it.

 

[cantstop19]

you gotta keep it on... the stuff is one of the best out there on the market do whatever you can to keep it

 

[rxp1997]

glad u tried it.

I have a small run being finshed by my manufacture in the next 10 days or so, if that moves good I will keep it out. Its not really an issue of results its an issue of people trying it and staying with it.

please let us know when NP will have it, i think you have plenty of support for your product and it will certainly move...