Help me go to sleep
- 01-31-2008, 05:07 PM
Help me go to sleep
I've recently been taking ambien 10mg pre-bedtime, but as of lately it's been wearing off after about 2-4 hours. Either that, or I'm up, acting like a zombie, doing/saying things I do not remember in the morning. I'm done with ambien.
So, I ordered some ON , and some bulk 1-carboxy from NP last night, and am expecting it to arrive tomorrow. What is a good starting dose, and should these to compounds be mixed? I have been diagnosed with extreme insomnia (hence the ambien) so do not worry about overdosing me, but give me your best mixture result recipes - I NEED MY SLEEP!
Thanks, fellas (and Crader/Asianbabe)!
- 01-31-2008, 05:13 PM
I think there was a post not too long ago that said that the sweet spot withis actually less than a milligram.
Too muc for one day?
And it looks like taking a few mg of GABA doesn't hurt either."I am legally blind and if I can Squat,deadlift and over all get myself to the gym then anyone can get their a$$ in gear and get strong!!" - malleus25
- 01-31-2008, 05:15 PM
Hurleyboy, you are in good company. The last couple of months have been hell sleeping, ambien did NOTHING except give a migraine. You should be fine mixing melatonin & 1C, but neither worked well for me. Phenibut works the best, but you can't take it every day. If everything else fails, I take 25mg trazodone and sleep ok.
01-31-2008, 05:21 PM
Also, would either of the substances mentioned above have any effects on testofen (fenugreek), or Inhibit-E. That is my current "stack" at the moment, so I don't want to screw anything up. Thanks guys!
01-31-2008, 05:35 PM
From a fellow insomniac, you have my deepest sympathy. Iíve got it big time and Iíve tried a lot of things.
Try Lunesta, itís a little better. GABA helps a lot (6-9 gms). I think 6 caps of Ultimate Nutrition Arginine Pyroglutamate Lysine works, too. It seems that when I combine the GABA and Arginine I donít sleep more, just better. As far as I can tell the Lunesta, GABA, and Arginine work well without any sides. You can take benydryl, but with anything much above 3-4 caps the cure is worse than the disease. Nothing gets me completely thru the night, but I find I can take a smaller dose of GABA when I wakwe up without any problems.
01-31-2008, 05:39 PM
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01-31-2008, 07:10 PM
01-31-2008, 07:12 PM
I would recommend starting Powerful at 1g 30mins pre-bed and seeing how it goes from there. Also melatonin is very potent stuff; I know 3 mg hits me like a hammer, and even 1 mg does the trick.
Be careful with GABA; I don't know why but I swear the stuff actually makes it more difficult for me to fall alseep. I may just be the odd person, but that is my personal experience. So take your Melatonin and 1-C 30mins pre-bed and see how that goes.
Also like I've stated before, falling asleep and getting a good sleep is all about your mindset. If you have you brain occupied when you hit the pillow you won't be relaxed. Look into deep breathing techniques and some meditation. As little as 5 minutes can make a world of difference.
Let me know how it goes!
01-31-2008, 07:20 PM
01-31-2008, 10:14 PM
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02-01-2008, 05:43 AM
HB did you find your self eating in your sleep? I have heard many stories of people driving or sleep eating and walking while on ambien
02-01-2008, 06:04 AM
02-01-2008, 06:10 AM
Oh, and I've been off of prescription sleep meds for about 2.5 years now. I had PTSD as a result of back to back tours to Afghanistan and Iraq, and was prescribed eveything under the sun at one time or another for sleep. I highly recommend finding an over the counter solution that works. I've actually had the best results with mucuna pruriens products taken about 45min. to an hour before sleep.
02-01-2008, 12:56 PM
Well, I never ate or drove while on ambien, but I had some pretty interesting conversations with my family (according to them) also, I never really felt refreshed after taking ambien, mostly just kinda hazy, and pissed off that I was awake again 2 hours later.
Also. My Melatonin and 1-C have arrived! Can't wait to see what happens tonite!
02-01-2008, 01:24 PM
Have you tried lunesta? Trazodone although used primarily for treatment of depressive illness, it actually has a very beneficial adverse effect for insomniacs. It shows very good results in assiting with sedation and sleep induction for many. Talk to your PMD about it. To each their own ,and what doesn't work for others may work very well for you.
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02-01-2008, 01:29 PM
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02-01-2008, 01:59 PM
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02-01-2008, 03:23 PM
I've been having horrible problems sleeping for the past 6 months or so. I've tried melatonin and It didn't do a thing for me. Phenibut worked, but it came with some weird sides. My friend actually tried phenibut and it put him in the hospital for a day or so. He had a weird reaction to it so i'm steering away from that stuff for a while.
Excedrine PM worked for a while, but then I got use to it.
I finally cracked and they put me on a low dose SSRI and gave me some Lunesta. I haven't tried the Lunesta yet because I've been on call for work and I'm not sure if I would wake up to the pager or not. The SSRI is pretty much doing its trick. I think I'm making up for all the sleep I missed. I'm able to go home from work and take a nap and still go to bed at night and sleep all night.
Insomnia sucks I feel for ya.
02-01-2008, 10:40 PM
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02-02-2008, 09:57 AM
02-02-2008, 10:42 AM
02-02-2008, 10:44 AM
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02-02-2008, 01:04 PM
in my college days, i used ambien with 2 miller lites. yeah, not the smartest thing, but hell, i didn't remember the next 6 hours. sleeped like a log.
02-02-2008, 03:43 PM
Ny-Quil liqui-gels are pretty much like legal roofies. I realize that it's not good to take medicine when you're not sick, but you need to do with what you can. That ish knocks me out.
02-02-2008, 08:32 PM
02-02-2008, 09:59 PM
Well, I took 3mg Melatonin and 1/4 tsp (800mg) of 1-C last night. It didn't really knock me out per se, but I guess I fell asleep before 3 am, which is unusual for me (without ambien). So we'll see, I may up the dose on the 1-C a little bit tonite and see if that changes anything.
Last edited by Hurleyboy05; 02-03-2008 at 02:13 AM.
02-02-2008, 10:27 PM
02-02-2008, 10:30 PM
I'm like you Hurley, I never fall asleep before 4-6 a.m. and its just so stupid..
Never tried Lunesta or melatonin.. and when you say 3g of melatonin you mean 3mg right? I might have to give that a try cause unless I take OTC sleep aid Im just up all night
02-03-2008, 01:16 AM
02-03-2008, 12:30 PM
One time I (on Ambien) was staying at a friends and I took all the cheese in her house (slices, grated, etc.) and put it all in a pot cooking it for an hour, stirring. I'm not sure what the hell I planned on doing with it but she sure was pissed the next day when she found cheese 'sauce' all over her kitchen. I don't remember any of it. Some sites like Wiki & others state that Ambien, Lunesta, etc. are non-benzo sleep aids with less dependancy potential but this is bullsh!t. Most of the newer studies show a much higher risk of dependency with these than benzo's. I worked p/t in a rehab for a while & there were TONS more people who had problems with sleep aids than benzos. As stated above they work on your GABA receptor just like benzo's however sleep aids also act as hallucinagens when one takes and doesn't go to sleep. From everything I've seen & experienced 1st hand sleep aids such as Ambien will give you MUCH worse sleeping problems in the long run. You'll feel the need to up the dosage constantly to get the same affects. I've seen a couple of people who had seizures from Ambien withdwawals. Scarry drugs, especially with so many sites 'downplaying' the addiction potential. Sometimes I wonder how much money companies like Aventis spend to buy people out so they can advertise their products as 'safe' and low abuse potential. It's really sad. The only prescription sleep aid which doesn't harbor abuse potential is Rozerem & it's just a high dose Melatonin. I personally use Powerfull & 1mg of Melatonin and it works amazing. Good luck.
02-03-2008, 12:37 PM
Well, last night I took 3mg melatonin and 1.6g of 1-C. I did sleep pretty well overall, and the only drawback was the hazy morning. I'll try this dose again tonite and see if it has the same effect, or if I was just exhausted last night.
02-03-2008, 12:42 PM
When I took Ambien, I took it multiple times but for never longer than 2 weeks straight. But everytime I stopped it I still had a much harder time sleeping than ever for my first 3 days/nights off of it. Once you get through those 2-3 nights you're golden.
02-03-2008, 12:44 PM
At least the effects of Marijuana have been studied for hundreds of years, and one will not form a Physical addiction.
Armed to the teeth.
02-03-2008, 12:49 PM
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