RPN Havoc Cycle
- 04-23-2007, 01:34 AM
- 04-23-2007, 01:43 AM
Retain 1 or 2/ lean extreme
Make sure you have support supps during the cycle.
04-23-2007, 01:51 AM
04-23-2007, 12:57 PM
Well there's a bunch of logs out there, but it really depends on your experience. If it's your first cycle I'd go 3-4 weeks andat 30mg.
It also depends on what you want out of the cycle.
Look around my friend.
04-23-2007, 01:00 PM
I would also recommend AI'sfor this cycle. And would also recommend increasing the dosage by about 33%. This will support overall good health while ON-cycle which is a must.
04-23-2007, 01:12 PM
04-23-2007, 09:00 PM
04-23-2007, 09:54 PM
04-24-2007, 02:06 AM
05-30-2009, 09:55 PM
im takin 20 mg of havoc daily stacked with stanazol-50 by black skull labs...good strength gains and size but i have been experiencing headaches for some reason...im taking milk thistle for liver support 100mg...dunno what else i should be taking or why im getting these headaches...anyone have any ideas...thanks
05-30-2009, 10:00 PM
06-02-2009, 04:26 AM
06-02-2009, 11:31 AM
I've seen a lot of debate on the use of a SERM vs OTC for PCT of a havoc cycle. Anyone have some thoughts to this topic?
06-02-2009, 05:07 PM
06-09-2009, 01:51 PM
09-02-2009, 10:02 AM
09-02-2009, 12:41 PM
09-02-2009, 10:49 PM
09-02-2009, 11:05 PM
retards use OTC pcts.
Don't f*ck around. Buy a SERM...preferrably Clomiphene Citrate to restart your testosterone at 50/50/25/25 and have Nolvadex/Tamoxifene citrate available for any gyno issues.
You can't tell if you've fully recovered unless you get a blood test. Just because someone says they feel fine after taking an OTC pct doesn't mean sh*t. The male testosterone ranges from 250ng/dl-1250ng/dl. You could easily recover to 300's and feel "fine" but still be massively suppressed.
Havoc is a steroid...its stronger than some illegal steroids. Why would you f*ck around with and OTC kitchen sink, one size fits all, Aromatase Inhibitor based PCT...ESPECIALLY when coming off of an already estrogen crushing cycle. Taking an AI is a DUMB idea for restarting.
Run clomid 50/50/25/25 and reverse taper an AI like Formex 1/1/1/2/2/1/1/1
Save OTC pcts for weaker non-methyls like 3-AD. Take it from me...I was dumb enough to use Reversitol after havoc, and had a definite strength crash compared to nolva
BTW, headaches are from high blood pressure. Don't start a cycle without preloading celery seed and hawthorne berries. Otherwise, you cause undue stress on your vascular system and you could hurt yourself. Blood pressure varies sometimes depending on when you take your pills.
09-03-2009, 08:31 AM
I actually ended up getting a SERM & some OTC products. I figured using both in PCT would be the best option for recovery and keeping gains.
09-03-2009, 08:46 AM
09-03-2009, 09:16 AM
09-03-2009, 12:52 PM
09-03-2009, 07:37 PM
Its 100% certain that you'll be shutdown by a methyl, but theres definitely no promise in recovery with OTC pct. At least a SERM gives you medical proof that it helps in infertility and recovery.
Yes, I had extremely bad mood swings 2 weeks in on epi/havoc. I believe its related to shutdown of the natural T.
Anyways, didn't mean to come across like a ****...I was speaking in general, thats why I didn't quote you.
SERMS are NOT illegal, if they are purchased in research liquid form....hint In research form they are legal to trade and posses, but illegal to consume. So, just pretend you are a rat.
09-03-2009, 08:57 PM
I'd like to chime in and say that I did not get shutdown on epi and I ran it 30/30/40/40/50/60 and no mood swings. Worse side I had was an occasional headache.
09-04-2009, 12:09 AM
09-04-2009, 01:23 AM
09-04-2009, 12:26 PM
I mean I put on 7lbs in two months from 25mg of clomid for 10 weeks.
I would assume that if I had high T levels for my age, pre-cycle, I wouldn't think epi was that effective. I mean its nothing compared to superdrol.
09-04-2009, 11:35 PM
09-05-2009, 01:01 PM
1.5 weeks, 10mg/day.
-crazy butterflys...so bad I couldn't eat/sleep
-mood swings/feeling like I just wanted to burn my house down for no reason
Then I got a liver test for curiosity - ALT 600! (range <35)
Then I came off and was super anxious...I mean crazy. Couldn't sleep for 72hrs straight. Had to get on xanax and trazadone for the next 2 weeks. I"VE NEVER had anxiety before...I thought anxiety was for pus*ys. After 2 weeks I started using 5hpt before bed and valerian root. I developed the flu from the anxiety/lack of sleep. Finally after a full month, I felt like myself again. On SD, I just felt like another person that had no desire to live.
This coumpound is the heart of evil. Theres no reason for anyone to take this EVER.
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