This is my first cycle with Havoc i'm going to dose it:
After the cycle what would be some good products for my PCT?
Retain 1 or 2/ lean extreme
Make sure you have support supps during the cycle.
What would be a good cycle all together for havoc?
Well there's a bunch of logs out there, but it really depends on your experience. If it's your first cycle I'd go 3-4 weeks andat 30mg.
It also depends on what you want out of the cycle.
Look around my friend.
I would also recommend AI's Life Support for this cycle. And would also recommend increasing the dosage by about 33%. This will support overall good health while ON-cycle which is a must.
Do I take the AI cycle support and AI life support with the havoc? Or after?
im takin 20 mg of havoc daily stacked with stanazol-50 by black skull labs...good strength gains and size but i have been experiencing headaches for some reason...im taking milk thistle for liver support 100mg...dunno what else i should be taking or why im getting these headaches...anyone have any ideas...thanks
I've seen a lot of debate on the use of a SERM vs OTC for PCT of a havoc cycle. Anyone have some thoughts to this topic?
everyone at my gym said they used post cycle tabs for pct...
kickstart works the best tho
hey bossofbosses drink more water that should also help with the headaches
wouldn't more water make him TOO hypertensive?
retards use OTC pcts.
Don't f*ck around. Buy a SERM...preferrably Clomiphene Citrate to restart your testosterone at 50/50/25/25 and have Nolvadex/Tamoxifene citrate available for any gyno issues.
You can't tell if you've fully recovered unless you get a blood test. Just because someone says they feel fine after taking an OTC pct doesn't mean sh*t. The male testosterone ranges from 250ng/dl-1250ng/dl. You could easily recover to 300's and feel "fine" but still be massively suppressed.
Havoc is a steroid...its stronger than some illegal steroids. Why would you f*ck around with and OTC kitchen sink, one size fits all, Aromatase Inhibitor based PCT...ESPECIALLY when coming off of an already estrogen crushing cycle. Taking an AI is a DUMB idea for restarting.
Run clomid 50/50/25/25 and reverse taper an AI like Formex 1/1/1/2/2/1/1/1
Save OTC pcts for weaker non-methyls like 3-AD. Take it from me...I was dumb enough to use Reversitol after havoc, and had a definite strength crash compared to nolva
BTW, headaches are from high blood pressure. Don't start a cycle without preloading celery seed and hawthorne berries. Otherwise, you cause undue stress on your vascular system and you could hurt yourself. Blood pressure varies sometimes depending on when you take your pills.
I actually ended up getting a SERM & some OTC products. I figured using both in PCT would be the best option for recovery and keeping gains.