Just noticed this... new Erase Pro formula in January? @.@

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  1. Damn... I've missed the feeling that OG erase gives me.


  2. This was probably asked before, but being that Erase and Anabeta are being re-formulated do you guys expect that there will be some big sales on the OG and Pro/Elite versions?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by srocco112 View Post
    can someone get me up to date on this topic in a nutshell? is this one of those examples where a supplement was just too good to be true and then they go through a re-formulation because they got in trouble for something in it and now the supp is going to suck and not be as effective as the original? or is it actually expected to be "better"? i just ordered some more erase, and my first bottle of erase pro. so just want to know what the difference is supposed to be exactly.
    They had to remove aegeline from the formula. Erase is simply androsta and pro is androsta + extras. Erase pro isnt the reformulated product
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  4. And what is the purpose of the ingredient removed?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by tyrub42 View Post
    They will have their insider protein release on Dec. 2 and another insider release for Alphamine cherry lime soon after. As for their other stuff, I think they will probably be on sale at Nutraplanet's Black Friday Sale (OG Erase is like 22 bucks right now).
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    Quote Originally Posted by srocco112 View Post
    And what is the purpose of the ingredient removed?
    potentially harmful, and not suppose to be in products anyways.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by jking4 View Post

    potentially harmful,
    I'm gonna need to see something that proves that.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by jking4 View Post
    potentially harmful
    Uhhh.....
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  9. I dont even know what product is even being discussed now........

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  10. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    I dont even know what product is even being discussed now........
    Snickerdoodle protein I assume, I dunno
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    I believe he was referring back to the initial topic of Erase Pro
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  12. I don't think there was ever an issue with the Erase compound being harmful. The rumor is that it might not be compliant with FDA regulations or something like that, but I have never heard anything about the compound being unsafe at all. PES will find (has found, probably) a new compound that will likely work as well if not better than the original, at which point you will start seeing the same compound in a bunch of competing company's products (call it a hunch).

  13. Quote Originally Posted by tyrub42 View Post
    I don't think there was ever an issue with the Erase compound being harmful. The rumor is that it might not be compliant with FDA regulations or something like that, but I have never heard anything about the compound being unsafe at all. PES will find (has found, probably) a new compound that will likely work as well if not better than the original, at which point you will start seeing the same compound in a bunch of competing company's products (call it a hunch).
    Correct Erase was never said to be unsafe only non-DSHEA compliant

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  14. Well, i sure hope that this doesnt turn into one of those "yeah the old erase pro was the sh*t, the new version is garbage.. those were the days"

  15. Quote Originally Posted by srocco112 View Post
    Well, i sure hope that this doesnt turn into one of those "yeah the old erase pro was the sh*t, the new version is garbage.. those were the days"
    I'm sure PES will deliver. If idiots would quit abusing stimulants, and if companies would quit spiking products, these things wouldn't happen as often. Would be nice if people stood up to the government some in the US as well. Give it a few years and you will need a prescription for creatine and Vit D etc.

    Or you can look at it from a Capitalist point of view: stock up, save, sell, profit. I made about $500 profit selling some 6oxo last spring

  16. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    Correct Erase was never said to be unsafe only non-DSHEA compliant
    What does this mean for FinaFlex? Weren't they the original source for the active? Will they be pulling it as well or will they just go for as long as possible flying under the radar?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    What does this mean for FinaFlex? Weren't they the original source for the active? Will they be pulling it as well or will they just go for as long as possible flying under the radar?
    I think the DSHEA compliance issue is not confirmed by anyone at PES, so that might just be a guess. PES is revising their formula for ABE which doesn't have that active, so they might just be working on a more-effective AI for Erase. I don't think any other companies using the same active have pulled their products, so you will probably be able to continue getting it in the future. A PES rep or a rep from another company using that active could answer this definitively, but I wouldn't worry too much.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by tyrub42 View Post
    I think the DSHEA compliance issue is not confirmed by anyone at PES, so that might just be a guess. PES is revising their formula for ABE which doesn't have that active, so they might just be working on a more-effective AI for Erase. I don't think any other companies using the same active have pulled their products, so you will probably be able to continue getting it in the future. A PES rep or a rep from another company using that active could answer this definitively, but I wouldn't worry too much.
    It's pretty easy to figure out if something is DSHEA compliant or not TBH. The main things are: 1) has it been used safely as a dietary supplement prior to the 1994 DSHEA act? 2) if no to the first criteria, then is the ingredient widely consumed through our food supply 3) if it's no to (1) and (2) then is there any safety studies done on the ingredient which can validate the ingredient to be safe to use as an ingredient for a dietary supplement.

  19. hopefully they don't mess too much with a good thing.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by tyrub42 View Post

    I think the DSHEA compliance issue is not confirmed by anyone at PES, so that might just be a guess. PES is revising their formula for ABE which doesn't have that active, so they might just be working on a more-effective AI for Erase. I don't think any other companies using the same active have pulled their products, so you will probably be able to continue getting it in the future. A PES rep or a rep from another company using that active could answer this definitively, but I wouldn't worry too much.
    Well, as far as ABE is concerned, they're just using a better extract of the same ingredient.

    But, they may be adding/removing other ingredients too.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    It's pretty easy to figure out if something is DSHEA compliant or not TBH. The main things are: 1) has it been used safely as a dietary supplement prior to the 1994 DSHEA act? 2) if no to the first criteria, then is the ingredient widely consumed through our food supply 3) if it's no to (1) and (2) then is there any safety studies done on the ingredient which can validate the ingredient to be safe to use as an ingredient for a dietary supplement.
    I see, thanks for posting that as I actually didn't know the specifics. What does that mean for the 7-OH cortisol compound used in ABE, Reduce XT etc.? I enjoy that compound quite a lot.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by tyrub42 View Post
    I see, thanks for posting that as I actually didn't know the specifics. What does that mean for the 7-OH cortisol compound used in ABE, Reduce XT etc.? I enjoy that compound quite a lot.
    Don't know, haven't looked it up :P Someone more familiar with supplement adhering or not adhering to DSHEA should have this information or a good idea of it, most probably people more deeply ingrained in the industry :P I recall it being a metabolite of DHEA but I don't know if it's DSHEA compliant or not but I know that the Anacyclus pyrethrum should be compliant and so should the forskolin. So them pulling AB/ABE could simply be a matter that they've just found something superior to what they had.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post

    Don't know, haven't looked it up :P Someone more familiar with supplement adhering or not adhering to DSHEA should have this information or a good idea of it, most probably people more deeply ingrained in the industry :P I recall it being a metabolite of DHEA but I don't know if it's DSHEA compliant or not but I know that the Anacyclus pyrethrum should be compliant and so should the forskolin. So them pulling AB/ABE could simply be a matter that they've just found something superior to what they had.
    Yeah I think they are refining their anacyclus extract

  24. Quote Originally Posted by tyrub42 View Post
    Yeah I think they are refining their anacyclus extract
    Or maybe even using a new compound, I'm excited to see what the new AB/ABE is going to look and feel like.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by touchless21 View Post
    The PES site needs to be fixed because on the "Product Description" of EP, it says "New Formula Coming 11/20/2014", I'm surprised people haven't gone frantic, thinking the new EP is 5 days late when the person who changed the page meant "1/1/2014"
    Now the Erase Pro part of the PES website says, "New Formula 12/10/2013". Will there be any information presented by this date or is it just a goal that may or may not be met? Just curious.

  26. Info on that AI ingredient? I'm googling now and all I can find is references to killing cancer cells and anti-bacterial biofilm.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by kaikara View Post
    Info on that AI ingredient? I'm googling now and all I can find is references to killing cancer cells and anti-bacterial biofilm.
    I'm sure Coop is doing the write up on it and will fill us in.
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  28. All I could find:

    Planta Med., 2009 vol. 75(4) pp. 351-5
    Isolation and biological activities of neomyrrhaol and other terpenes from the resin of Commiphora myrrha

    Su, SL; Duan, JA; Tang, YP; Zhang, X; Yu, L; Jiang, FR; Zhou, W; Luo, D; Ding, AW

    A new cycloartane-type triterpene named cycloartane-1alpha,2alpha,3beta,25-tetraol (neomyrrhaol) (1), along with four known terpenes, sandaracopimaric acid (2), abietic acid (3), 2-methoxy-5-acetoxyfruranogermacr-1(10)-en-6-one (4), and dehydroabietic acid (5) have been isolated from the resin of COMMIPHORA MYRRHA. Their structures were elucidated by means of 1D, 2 D NMR and HR-mass spectroscopy. Compounds 2-5 are known compounds but not previously isolated from the resin of C. MYRRHA. Compounds 4 and 5 exhibited significant aromatase inhibiting activity with IC50 values at 0.2 microM and 0.3 microM, respectively. As shown in the MTT assay, 2, 3, 4, and 5 had inhibitory effects on HUVEC growth with IC50 values of 0.122 microM (2), 0.125 microM (3), 0.069 microM (5). Compounds 1-5 did not inhibit contraction of the isolated uterine and did not protect HUVEC from damage induced by H2O2 at the tested concentration.

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  29. So is this going to lower cortisol like the original pro did? I personally couldn't take epro for that reason and stuck with regular erase.
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