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I didn't see any other threads regarding the release of the new jacked. I loved the original but was disappointed with micro. What are your thoughts on the ingredients?
Ya I noticed the prop blend. If you don't mind me asking, what ingredients do you use in your own.decent. hard to tell since its prop.
nothing against this product because obviously i havent tried it yet, but id rather make my own pre workout.
something that has been working for me is using my own ingredients as well as adding maybe 1/4 scoop of my pre workout of choice. still get a slight stim effect but saves me money. I prefer a stronger stim while doing this protocol because i am only using 1/4 of a scoop or so. something like enhanced or muscle marinade.
Bcaas, agmatine, citmal, creatineYa I noticed the prop blend. If you don't mind me asking, what ingredients do you use in your own.
Their extract is not standardized for yohimbine, so you really shouldn't find it as harsh as yohimbine-standardized extracts.New formula has yohimbe in it... a lot of people get the negative sides from (myself included)
The last few USPlabs releases, including this, test powder, and the protein, have been exceptional. Hoping the trend continuesTheir extract is not standardized for yohimbine, so you really shouldn't find it as harsh as yohimbine-standardized extracts.
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Overall, it's a huge improvement over the original jack3d. Arginine Nitrate/Pinus Pinaster is a huge improvement over AAKG, and the new stim blend is pretty effective in a post-DMAA non-eth-spiked world.
I agree.. I thought they were moving in the wrong direction with versa 1 and micro but this looks solid.The last few USPlabs releases, including this, test powder, and the protein, have been exceptional. Hoping the trend continues
what's wrong with Micro?I agree.. I thought they were moving in the wrong direction with versa 1 and micro but this looks solid.
I prefer Micro to the OG version. Micro is for the more educated consumer.
It is still really common for people on UK forums to refer to the OG Jack3d as the king of pre workouts. I would be curious to know how many units it sold. The figure would be astronomical.
The FDA strong-armed them into 'voluntarily' destroyed $8 MILLION dollars worth of original formula Jack3d and OEP.It is still really common for people on UK forums to refer to the OG Jack3d as the king of pre workouts. I would be curious to know how many units it sold. The figure would be astronomical.
That puts regular supplement sales into an emasculated perspective lol.The FDA strong-armed them into 'voluntarily' destroyed $8 MILLION dollars worth of original formula Jack3d and OEP.
That's just how much USPLabs had in storage at one time at their warehouse. Now imagine how much is out there in supply chain, and you start to see a picture of just how much volume it was/is moving.
probably not much more...people are buying it upThe FDA strong-armed them into 'voluntarily' destroyed $8 MILLION dollars worth of original formula Jack3d and OEP.
That's just how much USPLabs had in storage at one time at their warehouse. Now imagine how much is out there in supply chain, and you start to see a picture of just how much volume it was/is moving.
True, still #1/#2 best sellers here on nutraplanetprobably not much more...people are buying it up
what was it you disliked about versa and micro?I agree.. I thought they were moving in the wrong direction with versa 1 and micro but this looks solid.
Yeah I tried versa three times. Came to the conclusion the first time was placebo. Many others love versa, just not for me.I agree.. I thought they were moving in the wrong direction with versa 1 and micro but this looks solid.
That's true man well put!i didnt take any offense to it. Just like i dont like versa, many people do. to each his own. we all like different stuff!
So did I. It just didn't do much for me but I never could say that because people would go off on me. Tried 3 containers of it with breaks, different dosages, everything. They just didn't do much for me. But I like their other products.i hated OG jack3d
strange i loved jack3d micro even before i read all the reviews of it, i dont know why i must respond so well to it for some reason but i have had some of the best workouts ever with it, and this is with the day 1 batch of the stuff so im not sure if USP labs have changed the formula or anything but i loved it from what i triedThat's true man well put!
Personally love micro. Side note that I have been wondering... What is the approximate net worth of some of these companies? From like usplabs to controlled labs and pes. Just curious. (And no I do not have the time/scientific knowledge of no hype and coop/ or drive to start my own company. )The FDA strong-armed them into 'voluntarily' destroyed $8 MILLION dollars worth of original formula Jack3d and OEP.
That's just how much USPLabs had in storage at one time at their warehouse. Now imagine how much is out there in supply chain, and you start to see a picture of just how much volume it was/is moving.
-If you think you need scientific knowledge to start a supplement company, you're wrong.Personally love micro. Side note that I have been wondering... What is the approximate net worth of some of these companies? From like usplabs to controlled labs and pes. Just curious. (And no I do not have the time/scientific knowledge of no hype and coop/ or drive to start my own company. )
Lol. I know. I watched Cahill's deposition. I could hire and endocrinologist to look at a label .. I personally would have to know much more and frankly have no desire. I know most companies are started by enthusiasts. Thanks for the info deeb!-If you think you need scientific knowledge to start a supplement company, you're wrong.
-Most companies are not publicly traded so have no public release of financials.
BSN Sold to Glanbia in 2011 for $144m.
I had a few sample packs of jack3d micro and loved it. My only complaint was i got the cherry flavor and I'm not a big fan of cherries lol.Jack3d Micro is a Pump and Performance beast...
Its ironic, DMAA jack3d was just "stims" in a bottle and Micro is not "stimmy" enough...People seemto over look the Nitrate, Agmatine, Citrulline combo (some will say the non stim holy grail for pump and performance)...You know the same combo praised in another Pre workout on this board....
Fact of the matter, it doesn't matter...Hate just too hate is the norm now...
Pumps were alright with micro but let's face it, for the majority of people, taking a stimmed preworkout, we are paying for and expecting the kick from the stims. If not a kick in the energy department then at least a kick in the focus/concentration department. Personally, I just was not a fan of the micro, wasn't what I wanted from a preworkout but it tasted delicious and I'm glad that the product has found plenty of love from those whom swear by it.Jack3d Micro is a Pump and Performance beast...
Its ironic, DMAA jack3d was just "stims" in a bottle and Micro is not "stimmy" enough...People seemto over look the Nitrate, Agmatine, Citrulline combo (some will say the non stim holy grail for pump and performance)...You know the same combo praised in another Pre workout on this board....
Fact of the matter, it doesn't matter...Hate just too hate is the norm now...
It can be objectively stated that the combination of performance-targeting ingredients in J3D Micro will improve performance via such ubiquitous metrics as power output, time to failure, repetitions, and energy efficiency. This can be stated because of studies demonstrating this to be true of these ingredients.Pumps were alright with micro but let's face it, for the majority of people, taking a stimmed preworkout, we are paying for and expecting the kick from the stims. If not a kick in the energy department then at least a kick in the focus/concentration department. Personally, I just was not a fan of the micro, wasn't what I wanted from a preworkout but it tasted delicious and I'm glad that the product has found plenty of love from those whom swear by it.
Pump was not bad with micro but calling it a performance beast? Performance is subjective as different people have different views on what performance should be for them.
Good to see you here after the banhammer hit you elsewherePumps were alright with micro but let's face it, for the majority of people, taking a stimmed preworkout, we are paying for and expecting the kick from the stims. If not a kick in the energy department then at least a kick in the focus/concentration department. Personally, I just was not a fan of the micro, wasn't what I wanted from a preworkout but it tasted delicious and I'm glad that the product has found plenty of love from those whom swear by it.
Pump was not bad with micro but calling it a performance beast? Performance is subjective as different people have different views on what performance should be for them.
Someone that directly references ad copy in another thread should read the copy. We didn't promise the user crazy energy.Pumps were alright with micro but let's face it, for the majority of people, taking a stimmed preworkout, we are paying for and expecting the kick from the stims. If not a kick in the energy department then at least a kick in the focus/concentration department. Personally, I just was not a fan of the micro, wasn't what I wanted from a preworkout but it tasted delicious and I'm glad that the product has found plenty of love from those whom swear by it.
Pump was not bad with micro but calling it a performance beast? Performance is subjective as different people have different views on what performance should be for them.
So much science talk, but if you put it that way, ok, I would have to agree with that.It can be objectively stated that the combination of performance-targeting ingredients in J3D Micro will improve performance via such ubiquitous metrics as power output, time to failure, repetitions, and energy efficiency. This can be stated because of studies demonstrating this to be true of these ingredients.
said Eloquently..It can be objectively stated that the combination of performance-targeting ingredients in J3D Micro will improve performance via such ubiquitous metrics as power output, time to failure, repetitions, and energy efficiency. This can be stated because of studies demonstrating this to be true of these ingredients.
How so? I stated clearly that it wasn't my cup of tea and also stated clearly that many others swear by it. In no way am I hating on it just to hate on it. Just didn't work for me. I bought a tub and the thing lasted me roughly 5 months or so, why? Because I didn't really like using it that much. Not upset by it, I still consider Super Cissus a quality product.said Eloquently..
but his response goes back to "Hate just to hate mentality."
There will be a huge difference in net worth between USP Labs and PES, unfortunately lol.Personally love micro. Side note that I have been wondering... What is the approximate net worth of some of these companies? From like usplabs to controlled labs and pes. Just curious. (And no I do not have the time/scientific knowledge of no hype and coop/ or drive to start my own company. )
There is a cherry flavour? When I tried it there were only two flavours.I had a few sample packs of jack3d micro and loved it. My only complaint was i got the cherry flavor and I'm not a big fan of cherries lol.
I got them with an order from bb.com, apparently NP doesn't carry that flavor. Lol I'm sure it was good for cherry but just not for me.There is a cherry flavour? When I tried it there were only two flavours.
I might have to try this. I liked Micro, the fruit punch I tried was very tasty as well so tempted to give the cherry a go.
Lol. I know. We could just say "for now" since you guys are moving up in the world! I would like to see the range from companies like you guys. Ds. Controlled labs. Guess ill never know! Haha. Oh well! I really only care about quality and results!There will be a huge difference in net worth between USP Labs and PES, unfortunately lol.
I always wondered if USP Labs would be insulted when people insinuated that we were the same company. They are many, many times bigger than us lol.
Thank you. Fingers crossed.Lol. I know. We could just say "for now" since you guys are moving up in the world! I would like to see the range from companies like you guys. Ds. Controlled labs. Guess ill never know! Haha. Oh well! I really only care about quality and results!
Not sure how long PES has been in business but if someone compared the launches of both companies for a three year period...it would be an interesting comparison.There will be a huge difference in net worth between USP Labs and PES, unfortunately lol.I always wondered if USP Labs would be insulted when people insinuated that we were the same company. They are many, many times bigger than us lol.
1.5-2 scoops j3d micro + 25mg eph is perfect for me...og was only meh and unfortunately can't tolerate any yohim preWO, so j3d adv, enhanced and quite a few others that are now incorporating yohimbine in their formulas are out for me...Someone that directly references ad copy in another thread should read the copy. We didn't promise the user crazy energy.
Ingredients that have a direct effect on performance is not subjective.
I can't tolerate pure YHCL but this extract process just melts the fat right off me...1.5-2 scoops j3d micro + 25mg eph is perfect for me...og was only meh and unfortunately can't tolerate any yohim preWO, so j3d adv, enhanced and quite a few others that are now incorporating yohimbine in their formulas are out for me...
What's your intolerance issue with yohimbine and which products have you tried? I generally don't respond well to yohimbine either, a couple of caps of straight yohombine on an empty stomach gives me pounding palpitations usually.1.5-2 scoops j3d micro + 25mg eph is perfect for me...og was only meh and unfortunately can't tolerate any yohim preWO, so j3d adv, enhanced and quite a few others that are now incorporating yohimbine in their formulas are out for me...
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