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    When an omega male is born it's game over...Would I like to know what happens when an omega Female is born? Game begun?
    not possible . . . an Omega cannot be female, nor can a female achieve Omega status
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    not possible . . . an Omega cannot be female, nor can a female achieve Omega status


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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    surprised you don't know that one V
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    Oh yea lol I think someone used that one on me on another forum LOLFETH - Lol for everyone to hear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danb2285 View Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post
    Negged
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post

    Why you negg my mom, bro?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danb2285 View Post
    That's nothing compared to what I did to her...Heeeeyoo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post

    Meh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post

    Meh
    Oh come on!!! I was proud of that one. I worked hard on that and all I get is a "Meh"..... No respect
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    Quote Originally Posted by StephenGarcia View Post
    I support you and your mom Vdeez
    My man

    Knew you'd be there for me, lol!

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    Oh come on!!! I was proud of that one. I worked hard on that and all I get is a "Meh"..... No respect
    Try harder... it lacked pizzazz, wow me, you're just not the same
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post

    My man

    Knew you'd be there for me, lol!

    Try harder... it lacked pizzazz, wow me, you're just not the same
    If you cant handle me at my worst you don't deserve me at my best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danb2285 View Post

    If you cant handle me at my worst you don't deserve me at my best.
    You used to be SOMEONE, now you're just SOMEONE ELSE.
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    So back on topic, is there an SAA product on the market that contains actual hydrolyzed silk protein with the associated sericin-s peptides?

    Because:

    -Finaflex
    -TrueNutrition
    -BPI

    appear to not be the material I'm looking for.

    Any more obscure online brands selling it perhaps?

    Side note: I've got nothing personal against snag, he's just a sales rep doing his job, and he does it well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danb2285 View Post
    If you cant handle me at my worst you don't deserve me at my best.
    Take it easy Marilyn

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    Is it just me or is De-ebs speaking a lot of sense! Unless I'm mistaken his observation about the SAAs sold and said companies and those used in the study warrants some thought and consideration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saggy321 View Post
    Is it just me or is De-ebs speaking a lot of sense! Unless I'm mistaken his observation about the SAAs sold and said companies and those used in the study warrants some thought and consideration.
    De_eb will be an asset to this forum with his knowledge base. I hope to see more of him in the advanced discussion section as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Take yourself and your agenda out of here
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    De_eb will be an asset to this forum with his knowledge base. I hope to see more of him in the advanced discussion section as well
    coop has still from time to time somethings to learn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Touey View Post
    coop has still from time to time somethings to learn
    He was being sarcastic with the first post (I think!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    He was being sarcastic with the first post (I think!)
    Touey has still from time to time somethings to learn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Touey View Post
    Touey has still from time to time somethings to learn
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    What is the benefit of SAA's anyway? Sorry for my ignorance but I haven't really looked into them that much...
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    Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    Everyone has still constantly some things to learn
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtinsideout View Post
    What is the benefit of SAA's anyway? Sorry for my ignorance but I haven't really looked into them that much...
    an amino chain unique in nature and sourcing, that may help provide more recovery/anti-oxidant protection/and endurance levels
    another form of aminos, to add to the profile matrix you currently consume
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    Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    So back on topic, is there an SAA product on the market that contains actual hydrolyzed silk protein with the associated sericin-s peptides?

    Because:

    -Finaflex
    -TrueNutrition
    -BPI

    appear to not be the material I'm looking for.

    Any more obscure online brands selling it perhaps?

    Side note: I've got nothing personal against snag, he's just a sales rep doing his job, and he does it well.
    Really interested in knowing this as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    an amino chain unique in nature and sourcing, that may help provide more recovery/anti-oxidant protection/and endurance levels
    another form of aminos, to add to the profile matrix you currently consume
    Thanks for the info
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtinsideout View Post
    What is the benefit of SAA's anyway? Sorry for my ignorance but I haven't really looked into them that much...
    Animal research shows some increased time to failure, as well as some minor metabolic changes.

    Keep in mind that this information hasn't been backed up by any published data in humans yet.

    You also probably can't actually buy a supplement with the peptides desired in it at the moment, since it looks like nobody manufacturing SAA products is actually using hydrolyzed silk protein.
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    the first go-round with the start of this thread was "supposedly" to find a product that contain hydrolyzed silk..

    now, it is promulgated by the very same individual who claims above, that no such research shows valid effects in humans...

    hmmm, was waiting for the other inevitable shoe to drop, as I knew it would
    some things are so predictable


    in any event: to the forum in general, we are in the process of contacting the ppl involved in the study, for clarification on the text of the published data and what was used..will advise when I find out more information

    thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    the first go-round with the start of this thread was "supposedly" to find a product that contain hydrolyzed silk..now, it is promulgated by the very same individual who claims above, that no such research shows valid effects in humans...hmmm, was waiting for the other inevitable shoe to drop, as I knew it wouldsome things are so predictablein any event: to the forum in general, we are in the process of contacting the ppl involved in the study, for clarification on the text of the published data and what was used..will advise when I find out more informationthanks
    Why are you so mad/defensive all the time?

    Lots of stuff isn't validated by published data in humans, that doesn't mean it's not worth looking into further. Can't do that without the proper material though. Which is what I'm trying to find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    Why are you so mad/defensive all the time?

    Lots of stuff isn't validated by published data in humans, that doesn't mean it's not worth looking into further. Can't do that without the proper material though. Which is what I'm trying to find.
    exogenous androgen perhaps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    Lots of stuff isn't validated by published data in humans, that doesn't mean it's not worth looking into further.
    exactly my point

    assuming a hydrolyzed protein was indeed used for this study (we are not too sure of this yet, as there is mention of both free form and hydrolyzed in there), why are you so convinced that our product will NOT provide equivalent results to a hydrolyzed source when we are utilizing same sourcing/same profile % of aminos, just different form?

    please explain
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    Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    Why are you so mad/defensive all the time?

    Lots of stuff isn't validated by published data in humans, that doesn't mean it's not worth looking into further. Can't do that without the proper material though. Which is what I'm trying to find.
    1. It appears to be his natural psyche

    2. This is why I NEVER jump on the bandwagon of ANY new product, it seems that everything is now the over-hyped "Holy Grail" of supps. I wait for a while for anecdotal evidence as well, and there are particular members whom I trust as valid sources of information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    exactly my point

    assuming a hydrolyzed protein was indeed used for this study (we are not too sure of this yet, as there is mention of both free form and hydrolyzed in there), why are you so convinced that our product will NOT provide equivalent results to a hydrolyzed source when we are utilizing same sourcing just different form?

    please explain
    Because, a hydrolyzed protein would contain Sericin-S peptides where as utilizing just free form amino acids would not.

    Peptides are biologically active in a huge number of body processes. Peptides are the target of a massive amount of pharmaceutical research.

    --

    As for why I don't think that the free form amino acids would have the same affects, I really think the best way to explain is to redirect your question back at you.

    If you assume that the effects shown in the studies are solely based off of the effects of the free form amino acids, then why silkworm cocoons? Why not just any other amino acids, since an individual amino acid is exactly the same regardless of source.

    A free form amino acid is a free form amino acid. A molecule of free form alanine from silk is the exact same thing as a molecule of free form alanine from beef.

    Why would they behave in some different way due to source when a molecule has no memory or knowledge of source? Why would they behave any differently than BPI or TrueNutritions "SAA"s that are just regular free form aminos in the ratios found in silk protein?

    Therefore the assumption in much of the published research is that it is the peptide content of silk protein that is responsible for its differing effects compared to general free form amino acids.

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    I will not speak on other companies and what formulation they choose to use..that is their business and no concern of mine
    what I will say however: we have chosen to not use a synthetic amino derivative that is not from silkworm, as it does not present a complete chain, in comparison

    we are the only company in existence (to my knowledge) that utilizes this source for such a product
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    I will not speak on other companies and what formulation they choose to use..that is their business and no concern of minewhat I will say however: we have chosen to not use a synthetic amino derivative that is not from silkworm, as it does not present a complete chain, in comparison
    Do you understand the science you're trying to discuss? It really feels like you don't, and I'm not saying that trying to be rude.

    What is the 'complete chain' are you talking about? A chain of amino acids would be a peptide or protein.

    An individual amino acid would be no different regardless of if it's synthetic or from silkworm. The only thing intrinsic to silk protein with regards to a 'complete chain' would be a chain of amino acids in the form of a peptide (Sericin) that isn't found in other protein sources, and wouldn't exist in a batch of mixed synthetic aminos.
  

  
 

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