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    Quote Originally Posted by VS91588 View Post

    Well before I started taking anything I read up on Arginine and NO products. From what I researched if you increase the intake of Arginine it increases production of nitric oxide which will help with blood flow health. But now I read up on Agmatine and I might just give that a try. You can never stop learning.... And yeah I didn't read the other comments so sorry if I was repetitive lol. I was just giving my 2 cents
    Yes i know you were contributing to the thread, mega dosing arginine for NO production is an outdated thought process. Your money is much better spent elsewhere
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post

    Yes i know you were contributing to the thread, mega dosing arginine for NO production is an outdated thought process. Your money is much better spent elsewhere
    Such as Agmatine? What do you suggest? I'm all about listening to ppls opinions
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    Quote Originally Posted by VS91588 View Post

    Such as Agmatine? What do you suggest? I'm all about listening to ppls opinions
    Yes from agmatine. Stacking with citrulline malate would be smart too.
    1-2 grams of agmatine a day. Most use 1-1.5 grams.

    Many people split the dose by taking agmatine in the morning and with preworkout. For example: 500-750 milligrams in the morning then 500-1000 preworkout. Really can do it however you want.

    6-9 grams of citrulline malate preworkout.

    Be ready for a sick pump also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post

    Yes from agmatine. Stacking with citrulline malate would be smart too.
    1-2 grams of agmatine a day. Most use 1-1.5 grams.

    Many people split the dose by taking agmatine in the morning and with preworkout. For example: 500-750 milligrams in the morning then 500-1000 preworkout. Really can do it however you want.

    6-9 grams of citrulline malate preworkout.

    Be ready for a sick pump also.
    Yeah that's what I usually do; split the dosages. Thank bro I'll give it a go
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    1. Nitrates are a great exogenous source of NO. They bypass physiological regulation in order to exert their effects, meaning that they should work for almost everyone.

    2. Agmatine appears to regulate NOS in a manner that promotes endothelial vasodilation while reducing less favorable effects of NO. Consider it an NO optimizer (works great with nitrates).

    3. Citrulline supplementation bypasses the flaws of arginine supplementation (disregard for rate-limiting step of arginine formation, arginase upregulation, poor dietary uptake) and thus endogenously improves NO.

    4. GPLC has been shown to enhance NO, albeit in company-funded studies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by p5sky

    Cel's preferred method of providing advice is through promoting himself as intellectually superior, therefore his advice MUST be sound and true.

    Once again, a sales rep for ANY type of company drives me away when they are douchebags . . . something SNS might consider when choosing their reps
    Love this. I have to say yet again I'm tipped off to come into a thread where the responses from said member make me both laugh out loud and ashamed at the same time. As a side note Erase/erase pro has increased how vascular I appear very noticeably every time I have used the product so I agree with the others recommendation. For a guy to say he is going to go berserk on all posters (which most of them are very knowledgeable and helpful people to this forum) makes me sick to my stomach. It's embarrassing to see this guy around this forum and the way he puts people down and tries to make himself sound better than everyone at the same time is a complete joke. I'm so glad you spoke up on this P5sky. End rant.
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    As I've read through most of the comments I've noticed a lot of you guys are saying agmatine, nitrates, and someone even mentioned citruline. Just so happens Swoll-N has all 3. 800mg agamatine, 600 nitrates, 200mg citruline. I'm like everyone else in saying a low bf % which is a reflection of a good diet will get you veiny. If you add Swoll-N into the mix there will be a huge difference than if you didn't. Combining the agmatine and nitrates will get you pumped and the citruline will add to your vascularity by helping with water retention. Great Product IMO! Anybody interested pm me!
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    Re: Nitric oXide Vascularity


    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    Yes from agmatine. Stacking with citrulline malate would be smart too.
    1-2 grams of agmatine a day. Most use 1-1.5 grams.

    Many people split the dose by taking agmatine in the morning and with preworkout. For example: 500-750 milligrams in the morning then 500-1000 preworkout. Really can do it however you want.

    6-9 grams of citrulline malate preworkout.

    Be ready for a sick pump also.
    This ^^^ all with effective dosing schemes. I notice more of a pump with citrulline malate more than nothing else, except nitrates. I would consider them on the save level. If going with nitrates condense is a good go to and with betaine, yea buddy!

    I use citrulline malate @ 6-9 g which is the clinical dose. I also use agmatine not for the pump although I do get one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post

    This ^^^ all with effective dosing schemes. I notice more of a pump with citrulline malate more than nothing else, except nitrates. I would consider them on the save level. If going with nitrates condense is a good go to and with betaine, yea buddy!

    I use citrulline malate @ 6-9 g which is the clinical dose. I also use agmatine not for the pump although I do get one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danb2285 View Post

    What brand of CM do you use?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post

    SNS. Best price for servings and quality.
    Just found it. Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post

    SNS. Best price for servings and quality.
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    Re: Nitric oXide Vascularity


    Quote Originally Posted by Danb2285 View Post
    What brand of CM do you use?

    Edit: didnt realize SNS made it. I'm assuming that's what your using
    Yea I always forget how much I enjoy CM until I start using it again


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    Yup!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
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    BEFORE

    AFTER


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    BEFORE



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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    I'm about to go berserk with pretty much everyone on this thread, he asked for a nitric oxide product...not a Nitric Oxide enhancer or vasodilator. If I am not mistaken he asked for a Nitrate containing product to which even reps with nitrate products in their companies missed completely and rather made odd suggestions...

    But first off:

    -Erase: it's an AI not a nitrate , not a vasodilator
    -Agmatine Sulfate: endogenous nitric oxide engancer, not a nitrate innately but helps in inhibiting NO Synthase
    -Citrulline Malate : It's a vasodilator...not a nitrate
    -Anabeta, OG and Elite: Natural anabolics and testosterone boosters...not nitrates or vasodilators
    -Versa-1: Patented anabolic, to my knowledge it does not contain nitrates
    -Swoll-n: contains some of the above mentioned, again not a nitrate containing product...

    Good Nitrate containing products (Actually ONE was mentioned...):
    -ConDense
    -APS creatine nitrate
    -Jack3d Micro
    -D-Pol (true it is a test booster...but it does contain nitrates)


    If you want nitric oxide optimizers and vasodilators, pick the products in blue...if you want nitrates (and in the case of Jack3d micro) and added vasodilators, then pick the red ones...

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    In the case of amino nitrate based preworkouts, the ingredients contain both vasodilators as well as vasoconstrictors causing the user to be unable to maintain their pump.
    A good combo I've always liked was in raw amino form a moderate dosage of bcaas (10mgs), arginine 10mg, and citruline (10mg)...These are the aminos important for nitric oxide production and promotes vascularity. since these two are the main ingredients in many of the afire listed products you can measure your dosage liberally or moderately depending on your preference by using it in raw form. Being sure to stay hydrated will also help in keeping your blood volume up and your veins full.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WPChickDiesel View Post
    In the case of amino nitrate based preworkouts, the ingredients contain both vasodilators as well as vasoconstrictors causing the user to be unable to maintain their pump.
    A good combo I've always liked was in raw amino form a moderate dosage of bcaas (10mgs), arginine 10mg, and citruline (10mg)...These are the aminos important for nitric oxide production and promotes vascularity. since these two are the main ingredients in many of the afire listed products you can measure your dosage liberally or moderately depending on your preference by using it in raw form. Being sure to stay hydrated will also help in keeping your blood volume up and your veins full.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc

    10mg?!
    Super concentrated? (=
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    Re: Nitric oXide Vascularity


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    I think that is a great start!
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    Super concentrated? (=
    They suspend it in a potent activating liquid and then take it sub-q.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post

    10mg?!
    Hope she means 10g
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    Quote Originally Posted by msrider View Post
    As I've read through most of the comments I've noticed a lot of you guys are saying agmatine, nitrates, and someone even mentioned citruline. Just so happens Swoll-N has all 3. 800mg agamatine, 600 nitrates, 200mg citruline. I'm like everyone else in saying a low bf % which is a reflection of a good diet will get you veiny. If you add Swoll-N into the mix there will be a huge difference than if you didn't. Combining the agmatine and nitrates will get you pumped and the citruline will add to your vascularity by helping with water retention. Great Product IMO! Anybody interested pm me!
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    Pretty solid profile. The citrulline malate could use a bump up. I'd imagine one serving of this + 2 scoops SNS Citrulline Malate would maximize NO distribution in an OTC manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WPChickDiesel View Post
    In the case of amino nitrate based preworkouts, the ingredients contain both vasodilators as well as vasoconstrictors causing the user to be unable to maintain their pump.
    A good combo I've always liked was in raw amino form a moderate dosage of bcaas (10mgs), arginine 10mg, and citruline (10mg)...These are the aminos important for nitric oxide production and promotes vascularity. since these two are the main ingredients in many of the afire listed products you can measure your dosage liberally or moderately depending on your preference by using it in raw form. Being sure to stay hydrated will also help in keeping your blood volume up and your veins full.

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    What vasoconstrictors are present in nitrate-based products? Caffeine is a vasodilator in skeletal muscle during exercise FYI.

    The doses of BCAA and Citrulline you are using are about 70x and 30x lower than the effective doses, respectively. Arginine...let's not even go there.

    BCAAs don't increase NO production.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msrider View Post
    Hope she means 10g
    I don't think she does. 10g citrulline would severely impair you lol.
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