Primordial Performance raided by FDA

[jbryand101b]

I guess people notice a black Lambo driving around with "GOT TREN?" airbrushed on its hood..
Ha

what? naw brah, this could never attract attention...

[StephenGarcia]

you dont remember the Havoc ****? where the kid took like, 5 months straight of havoc and then ended up needing a liver transplant?

that was one of the first big stories i remember seeing way back when

and this is why we have the googles

[Jiigzz]

what did he say?

Interested as well

Posted above; hmm maybe DHEA was one of the reasons. I didnt remeber reading that the first time through. Thought they were targetted purely for what they dealt with previously and the marketing scheme.

[R1balla]

if FDA came to PP, why havent they gone to androfactory?

[SpicedCider]

Posted above; hmm maybe DHEA was one of the reasons. I didnt remeber reading that the first time through. Thought they were targetted purely for what they dealt with previously and the marketing scheme.

Yeah, it sounds like the FDA isn't convinced that the DHEA isomers aren't "naturally occurring." Hopefully someone can prove, in fact, that they are...

[Jiigzz]

if FDA came to PP, why havent they gone to androfactory?

My guess is that they are flying under the radar. It also costs alot of money to investigate and prepare legal teams, something that the FDA has to consider before launching an investigation. Just my thoughts though

[Freepress]

if FDA came to PP, why havent they gone to androfactory?

Because Primordial, love them though I do, was hot dogging it. Eric's bold and blunt marketing claims attracted a lot of attention. I don't wish to disparage him, but he has been making medically-oriented claims or claims that straddle the borderline of supplements/drugs for a long time. It was only a matter of time before they sought him out and made an example of him.

[halfhuman]

Because Primordial, love them though I do, was hot dogging it. Eric's bold and blunt marketing claims attracted a lot of attention. I don't wish to disparage him, but he has been making medically-oriented claims or claims that straddle the borderline of supplements/drugs for a long time. It was only a matter of time before they sought him out and made an example of him.

I agree

[jbryand101b]

Because Primordial, love them though I do, was hot dogging it. Eric's bold and blunt marketing claims attracted a lot of attention. I don't wish to disparage him, but he has been making medically-oriented claims or claims that straddle the borderline of supplements/drugs for a long time. It was only a matter of time before they sought him out and made an example of him.

When you market your products as safe steroids, add long acting esters to mimmic what pharmaceutical companies are selling, that's going to attract attention for sure.

It'll be interesting to see how this turns out.

[HereToStudy]

Because Primordial, love them though I do, was hot dogging it. Eric's bold and blunt marketing claims attracted a lot of attention. I don't wish to disparage him, but he has been making medically-oriented claims or claims that straddle the borderline of supplements/drugs for a long time. It was only a matter of time before they sought him out and made an example of him.

I could go around to many different companies currently offering prohormones, and show you ad copy comparing the effects to AAS as well. First off hand would be Halo For Her "Comparable to Oxandrolone/Anavar"

[HereToStudy]

When you market your products as safe steroids, add long acting esters to mimmic what pharmaceutical companies are selling, that's going to attract attention for sure.

It'll be interesting to see how this turns out.

The esters were not to mimic pharma-compounds. The intended effect of the ester usage was completely different than what is achieved by phama with an ester attached to an injected compound. The only comparison in terms of effect would be Andriol, which I am not sure if it is even on the market anymore (but it could be).

[jbryand101b]

The esters were not to mimic pharma-compounds. The intended effect of the ester usage was completely different than what is achieved by phama with an ester attached to an injected compound. The only comparison in terms of effect would be Andriol, which I am not sure if it is even on the market anymore (but it could be).

Andriol is, and is used.
I'm just saying from a pharma point of view, it may cut into their business, or they may want it for themselves.

[Freepress]

I could go around to many different companies currently offering prohormones, and show you ad copy comparing the effects to AAS as well. First off hand would be Halo For Her "Comparable to Oxandrolone/Anavar"

I agree, but only partially. I'm not putting Eric down or attacking him, but his marketing was way beyond any other company's marketing in brutal honesty, truth and comparison to illegal anabolic steroids. He not only said "comparable to" x, y, or z, but he provided calculations of exactly how it compared, used language like "safe steroids" and even suggested it might compete with TRT.

I respect your zeal to defend the company. I'm as heartbroken as anyone is about it and salty at the government for what they did, but his marketing was clearly too targeted and specific. You can't do that in this game and get away with it long term.

[HereToStudy]

I agree, but only partially. I'm not putting Eric down or attacking him, but his marketing was way beyond any other company's marketing in brutal honesty, truth and comparison to illegal anabolic steroids. He not only said "comparable to" x, y, or z, but he provided calculations of exactly how it compared, used language like "safe steroids" and even suggested it might compete with TRT.

I respect your zeal to defend the company. I'm as heartbroken as anyone is about it and salty at the government for what they did, but his marketing was clearly too targeted and specific. You can't do that in this game and get away with it long term.

Oh I am not playing defense, I have stated before that I wasn't exactly the biggest fan of the marketing. I am just saying it is far from the shock value people make it out to be. Earlier I presented the example of "Legal Safe Steroids" with a picture of a doctor in a lab coat, in ads that have been in every muscle mag since '95.

Personally, if I were selling prohormones, I wouldn't label them ****. The only thing the label would say is:

H2S Company presents: HaloPower
Disclaimer: This powder may work as an experimental paint thinner, and is in no way a dietary supplement. It is compressed into pills simply for shipping and should be broken up before applying to paint.

Maybe on the back I would have a picture of Novitzky injecting tren.

[Freepress]

Oh I am not playing defense, I have stated before that I wasn't exactly the biggest fan of the marketing. I am just saying it is far from the shock value people make it out to be. Earlier I presented the example of "Legal Safe Steroids" with a picture of a doctor in a lab coat, in ads that have been in every muscle mag since '95.

Tell that to the FDA

[DangerDave]

Oh I am not playing defense, I have stated before that I wasn't exactly the biggest fan of the marketing. I am just saying it is far from the shock value people make it out to be. Earlier I presented the example of "Legal Safe Steroids" with a picture of a doctor in a lab coat, in ads that have been in every muscle mag since '95.

Personally, if I were selling prohormones, I wouldn't label them ****. The only thing the label would say is:

H2S Company presents: HaloPower
Disclaimer: This powder may work as an experimental paint thinner, and is in no way a dietary supplement. It is compressed into pills simply for shipping and should be broken up before applying to paint.

Maybe on the back I would have a picture of Novitzky injecting tren.

I would err... use that paint thinner for cleaning my brush...

[mw1]

Unfortunately this thread has gotten derailed again. I guess i will get it back to the important subject:

[mw1]

and we can forget this:

[Clickster]

haha mw1. You crack me up.

@DangerDave -- haha! I was thinking something along those lines too.

[jbryand101b]

I like creatine.