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  1. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I didn't even see the structure of the compound until recently. Do you have full text access to the rat data?

    If the primary metabolite is octopamine or an analogue, I will be very disappointed. Anecdotally, I got great pumps from the product, which I'm not even sure is a possible endpoint even if aegeline is metabolically active. I will never rule out placebo though, as I was not blinded.
    wonder if there was some shake-n-bake agmatine in the beta testers supplements (ironic the IC release includes it given the pump people are saying they get)


  2. Quote Originally Posted by lronFist View Post

    Not really. The placebo effect can dupe anyone, especially if it is trumped up with exceptional marketing.
    I think if it was placebo one of the many guys that are incredibly in tune with what their body can do and how it reacts to most supplementation would have called farce. And there was absolutely no marketing to be had or tip offs to testers of what possible effects may be, the effects came with great proof and were individually reported.

    I've personally been lifting and extensively supplementing for over 11 years now and know what's working for me and what's not. I offered an honest 30 day detailed log of my experience and the results achieved and considering all the variables(namely that I was cutting) the results are quite impressive. I didn't even view a single fellow testers log for 2 weeks as a personal way of avoiding any suggested effects turning into placebo... going back and reading my experience was identical to theirs... Just no way placebo effected my weight and body composition like this in 30 days and didn't get a single bad review of over 60 testers... placebo isn't so powerful as to effect that many testers physiologically during simultaneous testing.

    There are plenty of other guys even more so at their peak then myself that still saw noticeable results as well....

    Bottom line is, the stuff works right now, as is, at the dose suggested, and all that is left is to prove HOW it works... you can wait around for that data to present itself if you like before taking this, no skin off my back. Just don't call me and 59 others liars in the meantime, thank you.

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by lronFist View Post

    You are very confused. The placebo effect is not malingering or "lying," it is completely unintentional. Anyone is susceptible to its effects.
    Someone here is confused, Sir, and it is not I.

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  4. Quote Originally Posted by lronFist View Post
    Anyone is susceptible to its effects.
    Anyone and everyone are two completely different things.

    I'm telling you what I personally experience and giving detailed quantifiable data based off my experience, progress and feelings across a 30 day period, the first half of which I had zero outside influence on my observations.

    Placebo cannot create these type of effects to this extent, it has its limits. It also will not effect outright so many individuals simultaneously.

    If you are saying the results of my experience are placebo and I'm telling you they aren't, then you sir, are calling me a liar.

    Quit turning this into a debate over the meaning of placebo.

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  5. Quote Originally Posted by lronFist View Post

    You seem quite hostile.
    Tone and emphasis are completely lost through conversing via text my friend.

    Defensive I may be of my stance, but hostility there is none.

    You seem to be quite good at deflecting yourself though, as you seen unable to provide any sort of defense to your own stance when mine is the opinion of many.

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  6. Quote Originally Posted by lronFist View Post

    I'm curious, what is your secondary gain for defending a bottle full of pills? Surely they can defend themselves in efficacy, or through USP labs marketing bombardment?
    Your stating that testers are the victim of a placebo run. I was one of the testers. I'm stating my effects were not that of a placebo run. Bottom line.

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  7. Do you have to train like a beast for this product to work or training like a human being would suffice ?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by squatting View Post
    Do you have to train like a beast for this product to work or training like a human being would suffice ?
    Why would you ever want to train like a human?
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by lronFist View Post

    I wrote a science based article and you have subjective history littered with broscience ("deeerp it wasn't placebo cuz i said it wasn't").
    I'd love to read it.

    Internet credentials don't make you the absolute answer to all discussions either.

    At least I've spent some time on these boards sharing my knowledge and anecdotal feedback. It's down to my word versus yours until all the studies are accumulated and made available.

    BTW.... Hostility has now been introduced to the conversation with your condescending insults. Congratulate yourself.

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  10. Quote Originally Posted by lronFist View Post

    You can't determine your own susceptibility to the placebo effect.

    Holy ****, it feels like I'm trying to teach a poptart quantum physics.

    Bottom line.
    Susceptibility to a neurological placebo effect and definitive quantifiable physiological responses beyond that which placebo(sugar/water usually) can provide are 2 different things.

    It is impossible for sugar water in combination with resistance weight training and cardio to provide me with as dramatic results as which I achieved. I've been weight training naturally and supplemented for over 11 years and understand what my body is capable of doing under which circumstances.

    Therefore I can determine whether or not my end physiological results were or were not that of a placebo run.


    Susceptibility to being mind facked and bodies defying natural science are 2 different things.

    the pop tart comment was hilarious.

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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough View Post

    Susceptibility to a neurological placebo effect and definitive quantifiable physiological responses beyond that which placebo(sugar/water usually) can provide are 2 different things.

    It is impossible for sugar water in combination with resistance weight training and cardio to provide me with as dramatic results as which I achieved. I've been weight training naturally and supplemented for over 11 years and understand what my body is capable of doing under which circumstances.

    Therefore I can determine whether or not my end physiological results were or were not that of a placebo run.

    Susceptibility to being mind facked and bodies defying natural science are 2 different things.

    the pop tart comment was hilarious.

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  12. USPlabs "Patented Anabolic" R&D -- Alpha Testing Q/A --


    Quote Originally Posted by USPlabsRep View Post
    We will publish the animal studies (90 day study in Rats and Rabbits is not cheap) and in the middle of recruiting subjects for a study at Memphis. before release, we conducted a pilot study on safety markers (as discussed in the write up).

    Companies search available (as we do) to develop a product, but in this case, we are creating the research. There are pros and cons to it.

    Pro- we are the first and with the patent, we can liscense it out..
    Cons- Innovation doesn't come without attacks from the competition....it's the nature of the industry.
    Is the patent complete? Or just filed?

    Also nobody wants the license to sell it.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough View Post
    Susceptibility to a neurological placebo effect and definitive quantifiable physiological responses beyond that which placebo(sugar/water usually) can provide are 2 different things.

    It is impossible for sugar water in combination with resistance weight training and cardio to provide me with as dramatic results as which I achieved. I've been weight training naturally and supplemented for over 11 years and understand what my body is capable of doing under which circumstances.

    Therefore I can determine whether or not my end physiological results were or were not that of a placebo run.


    Susceptibility to being mind facked and bodies defying natural science are 2 different things.

    the pop tart comment was hilarious.

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    if you believe enough that something is going to happen you can trick your body. Placebo. And its very real.

    For example if you believe youre taking a fat burner that HAS to work because it has awesome reviews, and you truly believe in it but someone you ended up with sugar pill. You would probably still lose fat because you believe it so much and visualize yourself losing fat. Pretty crazy

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Drakee View Post
    if you believe enough that something is going to happen you can trick your body. Placebo. And its very real.

    For example if you believe youre taking a fat burner that HAS to work because it has awesome reviews, and you truly believe in it but someone you ended up with sugar pill. You would probably still lose fat because you believe it so much and visualize yourself losing fat. Pretty crazy
    They didn't know what to expect. We didn't make claims. We just handed it out and said take it...

  15. Where did iron fists posts go? Objective discussion and a disagreement of viewpoints should not be grounds for deletion. I just got here and am reading a broken convo lol.

    Anecdotally, I did notice transient bouts of almost unbearable sweating when combined with caffeine in a fasted state. That, and nitrate-esque vascularity, were the two most prominent effects for me (the citocholine may explain the erections). I'd like to get iron fists take on these effects and possible causes. Vascularity observations could be placebo or subject's bias, but the intense rise in body heat (with sweating and even some nausea) was only present when I took this product fasted, and it occurred without fail when doing so.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Where did iron fists posts go? Objective discussion and a disagreement of viewpoints should not be grounds for deletion. I just got here and am reading a broken convo lol.

    Anecdotally, I did notice transient bouts of almost unbearable sweating when combined with caffeine in a fasted state. That, and nitrate-esque vascularity, were the two most prominent effects for me (the citocholine may explain the erections). I'd like to get iron fists take on these effects and possible causes. Vascularity observations could be placebo or subject's bias, but the intense rise in body heat (with sweating and even some nausea) was only present when I took this product fasted, and it occurred without fail when doing so.
    Intense rise in body heat and Nausea ? Ill pass.

    Sucks they deleted dudes post tho shows the politics sides of the game

  17. Quote Originally Posted by squatting View Post
    Intense rise in body heat and Nausea ? Ill pass.

    Sucks they deleted dudes post tho shows the politics sides of the game
    Some may view those as positives (thermogenesis and appetite suppression). It wasn't unpleasant because the effect lasted only a matter of minutes before I could proceed with my workout.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    Some may view those as positives (thermogenesis and appetite suppression). It wasn't unpleasant because the effect lasted only a matter of minutes before I could proceed with my workout.
    Sounds like a fever to me man hahaha

    Real talk tho I don't like to take fairly new mystery ingredients main reason why I'm not buying it has nothing to do with your comment I was just joking

  19. Quote Originally Posted by squatting View Post
    Sounds like a fever to me man hahaha
    Lol! I'm just after the "why?" as usual so I hope usplabs or iron fist can chime in because my ability to dissect aegeline is limited by the present data.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by squatting View Post
    Sounds like a fever to me man hahaha

    Real talk tho I don't like to take fairly new mystery ingredients main reason why I'm not buying it has nothing to do with your comment I was just joking
    completely understand.
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  21. Trace Amine Associated Receptor (TAAR)

    so, I googled that and read some big long thing that said that specifcally the taar1 receptor was involved with effects of lots of PEA type drugs and is affected by octopamine. I'm not knowledable to draw too much more of a conclusion than that but I feel like that entire side of this conversation is missing here.

    Edit: here iss the source I read.

    htt p://m.molpharm.aspetjournals .org/content/76/2/229.full

  22. Quote Originally Posted by borobulker View Post

    How do I use?

    What supplements can't I use with the Patented anabolic?
    Do not use any other ergogenic supplements like Compound 20, Test Powder, PRIME, or any supplements in the ergogenic category.

    What supplements can I use?
    We URGE you to stack with your pre-workout or thermogenic of choice. If you're using both a pre-workout and a thermogenic; ON workout days stack with pre-workout and on off days stack with thermogenic.

    Was this for beta testers only?

    Edit: didn't mean to post in this thread but I guess it could get answered here too
    Training log:

    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/267913-jswains-training-log.html

  23. Quote Originally Posted by jswain34 View Post

    Was this for beta testers only?

    Edit: didn't mean to post in this thread but I guess it could get answered here too
    Yes, beta-testers only. There are a few threads of persons stacking versa-1 with other usplabs supps!
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  24. This is my first time running an anabolic should I stick to one pill a day with my thermo or maybe two?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by traiford09 View Post
    This is my first time running an anabolic should I stick to one pill a day with my thermo or maybe two?
    1cap of versa-1 per day will deliver awesome results! I do not recommend doing any more than that.

    Take it with your thermo in the morning or pre-workout on training days.
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