- 08-07-2012, 09:21 PM
- 08-08-2012, 12:01 PM
unless some new ingredient is out...there cant be no magic in this,and I do not mean that in a bad way,ever since ephedra is 'gone' caffeine is the base for most products..DMAA is gone now..ephedra is easy to buy all over the net so why not just stick to that...
08-08-2012, 12:11 PM
08-08-2012, 01:12 PM
08-08-2012, 01:50 PM
There is a plethora of new stuff hitting the market daily. Some is good.. some is bunk. Just gotta figure out for yourself if it is worth investing in when you see it.
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08-08-2012, 01:57 PM
What I appreciate about innovation is that it approaches the target with a new MOA and pathway which can at times be better with less adverse and unwanted side. I loved Yohimbine but the sides were unpleasant if not unsafe. Welcome alpha-Yohimbine.
As much as I enjoyed 1,3 it was unhealthy (for me) as it elevated and sustained my RHR and BP to an unpleasant level. Although the MOA and pathway was effective I am much happier and healthier without it.
There are man ways to skin a cat.
PES is in my focus a lot as of late. Great guys and great innovation.
08-08-2012, 02:10 PM
Thanks for the kind words, I am extremely excited for our new releasesOriginally Posted by David Dunn
08-08-2012, 02:12 PM
maybe my post came off the wrong way,Im just saying at my last check,there is NO new super ingredient I could be wrong bu im sure we will all agree nothing has beat ephedra yet again,I hope im wrong,and to who ever said I should sell ephedra..lol I should seeing I have to much of it its sold all over the net,the new powder form is great,fast acting,my post was more in the sense all the hype,fancy labels,slogans all mean nothing its what in the product,and for some of these prices wow want the strongest thing you ever seen,inject some yohimbe and clen,again very easy to get..the bottom line is all these years Ive yet to find anything to brag about in the end its 90% caffeine in most products...Id love a sample as Id never pay more then $25 for any so called energy or fat burner when you can get ephedra and ephedrine so easy...
08-08-2012, 04:11 PM
There are several to many products that are very effective that have zero caffeine or 'stimulants' in them."Ephedrine stimulates all three beta-receptors. Beta-1 sends fat-mobilisation signals to the fat-cells. Beta-2 and 3 signal the mitochondria to use more fatty acids to produce heat. With this beta-team responding to ephedrine, fat gets burnt.
However, the alpha receptor is not ephedrine-cooperative. As nutrionist-cum-bodybuilder Dan Duchane says, "You'd think ephedrine would mobilise lower-body fat, but in real life, things just don't work out so neatly.'' The problem: lower-body fat has nine times alphas as compared to betas. That's why, the hips and thighs remain plump, grudgingly conceding just a few millimetres. In fact, consuming ephedrine has a reverse effect on the alpha receptors. When the hormones stimulate the alpha, it digs its heels in. Result: the fat cells block the fatty-acid mobilisation out of the cells. Simultaneously, noradrenaline generation from the nerve-endings reduces and this lowers body temperature.
Can this picture get worse? Yes. An ultra low-calorie diet increases the number of alpha receptors and reduces noradrenaline levels. To stem the alpha receptors' stubborn response, an alpha-blocker called yohimbine is given. So, in effect, the person who wants instant weight-loss ends up taking ephedrine, an agonist (stimulator) and yohimbine, an antagonist (blocker)!"
You sound quite jaded. You may need to look at things more analytically (references) and objectively and less subjectively.
08-08-2012, 07:12 PM
to be honest most stuff is 100% bull****...please tell me 1 product that has no caffeine or stimulants in them and it works? and for the record I never took any so called fat burner to burn fat because no can nor will,not store bought anyway,I used them for the energy to push harder. to be honest the best and cheapest thing I ever used im using now liquid caffeine.simple easy fast acting and only 1 ingredient in it..and Im not jaded I was in the bizz for years and know many inside facts,as I know the owners of many big supplement company's and know what really goes on...
08-08-2012, 07:20 PM
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08-08-2012, 07:50 PM
When you have something positive to share let us know.
PES Shift, Genomyx DCP...very effective non-stim products (just off the top of my head).
08-08-2012, 08:07 PM
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08-08-2012, 11:25 PM
So if I'm to the point where the lower body fat is my main objective, ephedrine is potentially counter productive? I am using alpha t2 as well, but if ephedrine is hindering mobilization due to its effects on alpha receptors would I be better off ditching it? I have some DMAA leftover from a while ago, would that be a better option?
08-08-2012, 11:34 PM
Would alphamine + alpha t2 be a crazy fat loss stack or is it better to just run it with something like erase pro or c20?
08-08-2012, 11:45 PM
08-08-2012, 11:48 PM
The exact stack I advised to him a few days ago lol :-)Originally Posted by kevinhy
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08-08-2012, 11:56 PM
08-09-2012, 12:23 AM
08-09-2012, 12:57 AM
I cannot wait for this release. Few formulators bring the kind of innovation that Josh is capable of.
08-09-2012, 01:01 AM
08-09-2012, 01:10 AM
In my experience beta-agonists will only get me so far. As I get leaner I reduce or eliminate beta-agonists (ephedrine) and introduce or increase alpha-agonists (yohimbine/alpha-yohimbine) to target those areas.
Additionally, in kind with female/endomorphic body fat deposition, I find that the reduction of estrogen helps this a great deal as well. Also what goes hand-in-hand with this is a low GI low carb diet as well as the yohimbine and alpha-yohimbine work best in an insulin free environment.
BTW - I am by no means an expert on this matter but rather know what works for my body type.
Here is the thread of which I quoted in my earlier post - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/searc...archid=3826991
08-09-2012, 01:23 AM
Awesome. Thanks for the reply I appreciate the insight! I will be trying alphamine very soon, so that will be my stand alone fat burner but this knowledge is very useful
08-09-2012, 01:27 AM
08-09-2012, 01:30 AM
08-09-2012, 01:34 AM
Is Alphamine guaranteed to be a slam dunk amazing supplement? No. We don't know what's in it and we (the consumers) haven't used it yet. But we know the track record of PES. And make no mistake, it's that record that has people excited about this. Wait to see what's in it before writing it off completely. The current hype is just based on an awesome past.
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08-09-2012, 01:34 AM
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