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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy View Post
    I wouldnt advise it, Alphamine was pretty potent in my experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift View Post
    This is exciting to hear to be honest!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift View Post
    This is exciting to hear to be honest!
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    I see something is finally up for pre-sale on nutra....must mean we are getting close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    I see something is finally up for pre-sale on nutra....must mean we are getting close.
    August 14th it goes on sale at Nutra
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    I see something is finally up for pre-sale on nutra....must mean we are getting close.
    You're right about that.. here's that link for the upcoming pre-sale

    http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/p...210-grams.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    August 14th it goes on sale at Nutra
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    August 14th it goes on sale at Nutra
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    Hope that's not the real intro price ; )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ape McGrapes View Post
    Hope that's not the real intro price ; )
    no no.. real price will be much higher to be the first one to try Alphamine.. LOL

    Nah... you know PES takes good care of its loyal customers, the price will be very attractive indeed
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    Hense the wink. Hope that price scares off a few people, so I can scoop it up first.
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    unless some new ingredient is out...there cant be no magic in this,and I do not mean that in a bad way,ever since ephedra is 'gone' caffeine is the base for most products..DMAA is gone now..ephedra is easy to buy all over the net so why not just stick to that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightu35 View Post
    unless some new ingredient is out...there cant be no magic in this,and I do not mean that in a bad way,ever since ephedra is 'gone' caffeine is the base for most products..DMAA is gone now..ephedra is easy to buy all over the net so why not just stick to that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightu35 View Post
    unless some new ingredient is out...there cant be no magic in this,and I do not mean that in a bad way,ever since ephedra is 'gone' caffeine is the base for most products..DMAA is gone now..ephedra is easy to buy all over the net so why not just stick to that...
    You should open a business and sale ephedrine being its easy to buy...You'll be a rich man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightu35 View Post
    unless some new ingredient is out...there cant be no magic in this,and I do not mean that in a bad way,ever since ephedra is 'gone' caffeine is the base for most products..DMAA is gone now..ephedra is easy to buy all over the net so why not just stick to that...
    Everyday new ingredients come out. Ephedrine was new.. till it wasn't... DMAA was new... till it wasn't.

    There is a plethora of new stuff hitting the market daily. Some is good.. some is bunk. Just gotta figure out for yourself if it is worth investing in when you see it.
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    What I appreciate about innovation is that it approaches the target with a new MOA and pathway which can at times be better with less adverse and unwanted side. I loved Yohimbine but the sides were unpleasant if not unsafe. Welcome alpha-Yohimbine.

    As much as I enjoyed 1,3 it was unhealthy (for me) as it elevated and sustained my RHR and BP to an unpleasant level. Although the MOA and pathway was effective I am much happier and healthier without it.

    There are man ways to skin a cat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn
    What I appreciate about innovation is that it approaches the target with a new MOA and pathway which can at times be better with less adverse and unwanted side. I loved Yohimbine but the sides were unpleasant if not unsafe. Welcome alpha-Yohimbine.

    As much as I enjoyed 1,3 it was unhealthy (for me) as it elevated and sustained my RHR and BP to an unpleasant level. Although the MOA and pathway was effective I am much happier and healthier without it.

    There are man ways to skin a cat.

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    maybe my post came off the wrong way,Im just saying at my last check,there is NO new super ingredient I could be wrong bu im sure we will all agree nothing has beat ephedra yet again,I hope im wrong,and to who ever said I should sell ephedra..lol I should seeing I have to much of it its sold all over the net,the new powder form is great,fast acting,my post was more in the sense all the hype,fancy labels,slogans all mean nothing its what in the product,and for some of these prices wow want the strongest thing you ever seen,inject some yohimbe and clen,again very easy to get..the bottom line is all these years Ive yet to find anything to brag about in the end its 90% caffeine in most products...Id love a sample as Id never pay more then $25 for any so called energy or fat burner when you can get ephedra and ephedrine so easy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightu35 View Post
    maybe my post came off the wrong way,Im just saying at my last check,there is NO new super ingredient I could be wrong bu im sure we will all agree nothing has beat ephedra yet again,I hope im wrong,and to who ever said I should sell ephedra..lol I should seeing I have to much of it its sold all over the net,the new powder form is great,fast acting,my post was more in the sense all the hype,fancy labels,slogans all mean nothing its what in the product,and for some of these prices wow want the strongest thing you ever seen,inject some yohimbe and clen,again very easy to get..the bottom line is all these years Ive yet to find anything to brag about in the end its 90% caffeine in most products...Id love a sample as Id never pay more then $25 for any so called energy or fat burner when you can get ephedra and ephedrine so easy...
    Ephedra? Really? Ephedra is dirty and nasty and unstandardized. Ephedrine? Better and cleaner. They are beta-receptors. There are multiples of other means to target the beta-receptors. Additionally, beta-agonists have there limits and can become counterproductive pretty quickly:
    "Ephedrine stimulates all three beta-receptors. Beta-1 sends fat-mobilisation signals to the fat-cells. Beta-2 and 3 signal the mitochondria to use more fatty acids to produce heat. With this beta-team responding to ephedrine, fat gets burnt.

    However, the alpha receptor is not ephedrine-cooperative. As nutrionist-cum-bodybuilder Dan Duchane says, "You'd think ephedrine would mobilise lower-body fat, but in real life, things just don't work out so neatly.'' The problem: lower-body fat has nine times alphas as compared to betas. That's why, the hips and thighs remain plump, grudgingly conceding just a few millimetres. In fact, consuming ephedrine has a reverse effect on the alpha receptors. When the hormones stimulate the alpha, it digs its heels in. Result: the fat cells block the fatty-acid mobilisation out of the cells. Simultaneously, noradrenaline generation from the nerve-endings reduces and this lowers body temperature.

    Can this picture get worse? Yes. An ultra low-calorie diet increases the number of alpha receptors and reduces noradrenaline levels. To stem the alpha receptors' stubborn response, an alpha-blocker called yohimbine is given. So, in effect, the person who wants instant weight-loss ends up taking ephedrine, an agonist (stimulator) and yohimbine, an antagonist (blocker)!"
    There are several to many products that are very effective that have zero caffeine or 'stimulants' in them.

    You sound quite jaded. You may need to look at things more analytically (references) and objectively and less subjectively.
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    to be honest most stuff is 100% bull****...please tell me 1 product that has no caffeine or stimulants in them and it works? and for the record I never took any so called fat burner to burn fat because no can nor will,not store bought anyway,I used them for the energy to push harder. to be honest the best and cheapest thing I ever used im using now liquid caffeine.simple easy fast acting and only 1 ingredient in it..and Im not jaded I was in the bizz for years and know many inside facts,as I know the owners of many big supplement company's and know what really goes on...
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    What I appreciate about innovation is that it approaches the target with a new MOA and pathway which can at times be better with less adverse and unwanted side. I loved Yohimbine but the sides were unpleasant if not unsafe. Welcome alpha-Yohimbine.

    As much as I enjoyed 1,3 it was unhealthy (for me) as it elevated and sustained my RHR and BP to an unpleasant level. Although the MOA and pathway was effective I am much happier and healthier without it.

    There are man ways to skin a cat.

    PES is in my focus a lot as of late. Great guys and great innovation.
    Thanks for the good words! We do our best to produce the most effective products on the market, and Alphamine is surely no exception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightu35 View Post
    to be honest most stuff is 100% bull****...please tell me 1 product that has no caffeine or stimulants in them and it works? and for the record I never took any so called fat burner to burn fat because no can nor will,not store bought anyway,I used them for the energy to push harder. to be honest the best and cheapest thing I ever used im using now liquid caffeine.simple easy fast acting and only 1 ingredient in it..and Im not jaded I was in the bizz for years and know many inside facts,as I know the owners of many big supplement company's and know what really goes on...
    You seem to believe your own bull**** so don't let me stop you. On the otherhand it is bull**** and most intelligent people here know it.

    When you have something positive to share let us know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightu35 View Post
    to be honest most stuff is 100% bull****...please tell me 1 product that has no caffeine or stimulants in them and it works? and for the record I never took any so called fat burner to burn fat because no can nor will,not store bought anyway,I used them for the energy to push harder. to be honest the best and cheapest thing I ever used im using now liquid caffeine.simple easy fast acting and only 1 ingredient in it..and Im not jaded I was in the bizz for years and know many inside facts,as I know the owners of many big supplement company's and know what really goes on...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightu35
    to be honest most stuff is 100% bull****...please tell me 1 product that has no caffeine or stimulants in them and it works? and for the record I never took any so called fat burner to burn fat because no can nor will,not store bought anyway,I used them for the energy to push harder. to be honest the best and cheapest thing I ever used im using now liquid caffeine.simple easy fast acting and only 1 ingredient in it..and Im not jaded I was in the bizz for years and know many inside facts,as I know the owners of many big supplement company's and know what really goes on...
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    You seem to believe your own bull**** so don't let me stop you. On the otherhand it is bull**** and most intelligent people here know it.

    When you have something positive to share let us know.

    PES Shift, Genomyx DCP...very effective non-stim products (just off the top of my head).
    as I said im all for something that works,ill be the 1st to say how good something is,just for fun what did I say thats bull**** ?
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    So if I'm to the point where the lower body fat is my main objective, ephedrine is potentially counter productive? I am using alpha t2 as well, but if ephedrine is hindering mobilization due to its effects on alpha receptors would I be better off ditching it? I have some DMAA leftover from a while ago, would that be a better option?
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    Would alphamine + alpha t2 be a crazy fat loss stack or is it better to just run it with something like erase pro or c20?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prraimm View Post
    Would alphamine + alpha t2 be a crazy fat loss stack or is it better to just run it with something like erase pro or c20?
    That would be a bit too much in my opinion.

    Erase Pro or C20 would be much better additions to a leaning stack with Alphamine
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy

    That would be a bit too much in my opinion.

    Erase Pro or C20 would be much better additions to a leaning stack with Alphamine
    The exact stack I advised to him a few days ago lol :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy View Post
    That would be a bit too much in my opinion.

    Erase Pro or C20 would be much better additions to a leaning stack with Alphamine
    I have a feeling....a really good feeling....that Alphamine and Erase Pro will be the most popular stack
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    I have a feeling....a really good feeling....that Alphamine and Erase Pro will be the most popular stack
    You got me itching for some Alphamine now
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    I cannot wait for this release. Few formulators bring the kind of innovation that Josh is capable of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I cannot wait for this release. Few formulators bring the kind of innovation that Josh is capable of.
    Seconded. Plus he has always been generous to us AM'ers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wocheezy View Post
    So if I'm to the point where the lower body fat is my main objective, ephedrine is potentially counter productive? I am using alpha t2 as well, but if ephedrine is hindering mobilization due to its effects on alpha receptors would I be better off ditching it? I have some DMAA leftover from a while ago, would that be a better option?
    As an endomorph, my fat deposition tends to predominantly lean towards my love handles, hips and thighs.Candidly, it a female(sque) fat deposition.

    In my experience beta-agonists will only get me so far. As I get leaner I reduce or eliminate beta-agonists (ephedrine) and introduce or increase alpha-agonists (yohimbine/alpha-yohimbine) to target those areas.

    Additionally, in kind with female/endomorphic body fat deposition, I find that the reduction of estrogen helps this a great deal as well. Also what goes hand-in-hand with this is a low GI low carb diet as well as the yohimbine and alpha-yohimbine work best in an insulin free environment.

    BTW - I am by no means an expert on this matter but rather know what works for my body type.

    Here is the thread of which I quoted in my earlier post - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/searc...archid=3826991
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    Awesome. Thanks for the reply I appreciate the insight! I will be trying alphamine very soon, so that will be my stand alone fat burner but this knowledge is very useful
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    As an endomorph, my fat deposition tends to predominantly lean towards my love handles, hips and thighs.Candidly, it a female(sque) fat deposition.

    In my experience beta-agonists will only get me so far. As I get leaner I reduce or eliminate beta-agonists (ephedrine) and introduce or increase alpha-agonists (yohimbine/alpha-yohimbine) to target those areas.

    Additionally, in kind with female/endomorphic body fat deposition, I find that the reduction of estrogen helps this a great deal as well. Also what goes hand-in-hand with this is a low GI low carb diet as well as the yohimbine and alpha-yohimbine work best in an insulin free environment.

    BTW - I am by no means an expert on this matter but rather know what works for my body type.

    Here is the thread of which I quoted in my earlier post - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/searc...archid=3826991
    Why not continue using EC but add a-yohimbine to the mix?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Why not continue using EC but add a-yohimbine to the mix?
    I do continue to use the EC but not as my primary. Mostly for the irritability (for me) that come with the stack...it is not entirely side free

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    In my experience beta-agonists will only get me so far. As I get leaner I reduce or eliminate beta-agonists (ephedrine) and introduce or increase alpha-agonists (yohimbine/alpha-yohimbine) to target those areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightu35 View Post
    to be honest most stuff is 100% bull****...please tell me 1 product that has no caffeine or stimulants in them and it works? and for the record I never took any so called fat burner to burn fat because no can nor will,not store bought anyway,I used them for the energy to push harder. to be honest the best and cheapest thing I ever used im using now liquid caffeine.simple easy fast acting and only 1 ingredient in it..and Im not jaded I was in the bizz for years and know many inside facts,as I know the owners of many big supplement company's and know what really goes on...
    While I agree with you that most stuff is crap, I would hesitate to pass judgement on something that hasn't been released yet/we have no idea what's in it. The reason people are excited are because PES has a track record of delivering, it's why people get excited when Matt is working on a new formulation even though they don't know what it is in it! Not many (but some) companies/people have track records of delivering innovative, solid products on a consistent basis. Matt's one of them, Natty's another, PA comes to mind, a few others.

    Is Alphamine guaranteed to be a slam dunk amazing supplement? No. We don't know what's in it and we (the consumers) haven't used it yet. But we know the track record of PES. And make no mistake, it's that record that has people excited about this. Wait to see what's in it before writing it off completely. The current hype is just based on an awesome past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    I do continue to use the EC but not as my primary. Mostly for the irritability (for me) that come with the stack...it is not entirely side free
    Yeah I understand. Prolonged use of ephedrine really wears me down and gives me a temper.
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