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    Recent Test Results for DS Craze




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    Curious where you get this buddy?
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    Soooo it's just a really good pre workout!? Boy this will make me happy

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrepNwa23 View Post
    Curious where you get this buddy?
    DS posted it on bodybuilding.com.
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    Now if only it tasted better....
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    And I still have yet to try Craze.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NomZ
    And I still have yet to try Craze.
    Pretty good stuff, especially with that new flavor they came out with.
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    Grape Craze tastes like drugs to me. I use it for cram sessions instead of training.

    I find it to be more effective and I experience less sides and a minimized crash when compared to 1,3 dmaa. So I dunno what they're doing, but they better be allowed by regulatory bodies to continue!
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    jeez - what a line-up on that test list.....looking to party or workout? At least I know that if I start craving human flesh or wanting to go to raves, it wasn't the Craze to blame.....
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    Thanks for putting this up! Beat me to it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jim2542 View Post
    Now if only it tasted better....
    The new Berry Lemonade flavor is pretty damn tasty..
    Crazeô is NOW AVAILABLE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Tom(tk)
    Thanks for putting this up! Beat me to it.

    The new Berry Lemonade flavor is pretty damn tasty..
    I need to get some sometime.
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    Looks like it's just caffeine and nothing else that works.*

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    Oh boy, yessss!!!

    so, does it mean people was just talking a lot of sh#t?
    If so I'm very happy for DS, never stopped using Craze and
    I wouldn't change it with anything else that's out there as prewo
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    Strong caffein lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    Oh boy, yessss!!!

    so, does it mean people was just talking a lot of sh#t?
    If so I'm very happy for DS, never stopped using Craze and
    I wouldn't change it with anything else that's out there as prewo
    Honestly I don't know what this means. PA found some strange things (don't feel like digging through the old thread) and a lawsuit came out. How difficult would it be for a company to change something with a new batch after all the negative stuff was being thrown around? Why are the test results coming out so long after the accusations? Maybe it's standard. I have no idea and I'm by no means saying that is what happened.

    I'm just not sure why we have different results on a product unless something about the testing is off that I don't understand.

    A second lawsuit is being filed in New Jersey on similar grounds this week naming DS, a distributor and several retailers. Additionally WADA is working closely with the FDA office of criminal investigations after several companies submitted their GCMS identification findings to the organization and claimed Craze will further tarnish the industry with what seems poised to become the next designer stimulant nightmare.
    Something just doesn't jive in all of this and I don't think this necessarily puts us any closer to really knowing. Probably enough to put my mind at ease enough to finally give this a go however! I've always been a fan of DS and had great runs with many of their supplements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Honestly I don't know what this means. PA found some strange things (don't feel like digging through the old thread) and a lawsuit came out. How difficult would it be for a company to change something with a new batch after all the negative stuff was being thrown around? Why are the test results coming out so long after the accusations? Maybe it's standard. I have no idea and I'm by no means saying that is what happened.

    I'm just not sure why we have different results on a product unless something about the testing is off that I don't understand.



    Something just doesn't jive in all of this and I don't think this necessarily puts us any closer to really knowing. Probably enough to put my mind at ease enough to finally give this a go however! I've always been a fan of DS and had great runs with many of their supplements.
    Actually that isnt how it happened at all. A lawsuit from a shakedown artist in CA came out. We are defending ourselves and the fighting the ridiculous suit. Then someone sent PA a sample which was claimed to be Craze. PA claimed to have tested something which has no chain of custody, not a sealed tub etc etc etc. NOT THE REVERSE. PA claimed Craze contained only 2 things, N-Benzyl PEA and Diethyl PEA. NO caffeine, no creatine etc.

    PA didnt test Craze. Not hard to figure out.

    As we have said from the very beginning, ALL lots of Craze have been tested by MULTIPLE FDA /DEA certified labs. Craze has never contained N-Benzyl PEA and it has always contained caffeine. The other "lawsuit" does not exist, has never existed and was posted by some shill trying to stir things up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sldge View Post
    Actually that isnt how it happened at all. A lawsuit from a shakedown artist in CA came out. We are defending ourselves and the fighting the ridiculous suit. Then someone sent PA a sample which was claimed to be Craze. PA claimed to have tested something which has no chain of custody, not a sealed tub etc etc etc. NOT THE REVERSE. PA claimed Craze contained only 2 things, N-Benzyl PEA and Diethyl PEA. NO caffeine, no creatine etc.

    PA didnt test Craze. Not hard to figure out.

    As we have said from the very beginning, ALL lots of Craze have been tested by MULTIPLE FDA /DEA certified labs. Craze has never contained N-Benzyl PEA and it has always contained caffeine. The other "lawsuit" does not exist, has never existed and was posted by some shill trying to stir things up.
    Well it's good to hear from you guys with some more clarification. We had about 60 some odd pages of trying to figure things out on our own, but it's a lot better to hear it from DS finally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce

    Well it's good to hear from you guys with some more clarification. We had about 60 some odd pages of trying to figure things out on our own, but it's a lot better to hear it from DS finally.
    Ahh the true meaning of band of brothers. I loved reading and being a part of that thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamski View Post
    Ahh the true meaning of band of brothers. I loved reading and being a part of that thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce

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    Lmao. Nice. I highly doubt this was all a publicity stunt. Something is/was in it. The samples were not craze. For all we know DS could have put bullsh1tadrol and 19-nor-maltodextrin and caffeine in a bottle labeled craze and said here ya go here's your sample. Doesn't matter to me cuz I love the stuff
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    Less caffeine than I thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearSlammer
    Less caffeine than I thought.
    It just says more than 10 milligrams per gram.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by kokobeware2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim2542 View Post
    It just says more than 10 milligrams per gram.....
    My bad, I was confused and thought it was around 10mg/g. Making it about 58 mg caffeine/scoop, but with that clarification I guess the caffeine is closer to what I thought (around 80mg/scp I heard).
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    Good to know and never once thought about using something else. Best PWO in my opinion...hands down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sldge View Post

    PA didnt test Craze. Not hard to figure out.
    Do you think he didn't test anything, or that he thought he was testing Craze? If you mean the latter, I agree that the presence of only those 2 compounds raises a red flag, but neuron/madchemist is bar none one of the most honest people I know and I am certain he would not send PA a fake sample. Any idea what could have happened?
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    I have a few lot # of craze; those before and after TMG or CM listed 1st on label

    current one I have with me (as I am travelling) is #1201378 exp 01/15, TMG is listed as 1st ingredient

    curious if all batches of craze released previously will test the same
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Do you think he didn't test anything, or that he thought he was testing Craze? If you mean the latter, I agree that the presence of only those 2 compounds raises a red flag, but neuron/madchemist is bar none one of the most honest people I know and I am certain he would not send PA a fake sample. Any idea what could have happened?
    I have a few SEALED batches of craze, so any add or removal of ingredient(s) in craze should be noticed; at the moment though I am travelling
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    BTW I have nothing against DS, just want to know the truth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sldge View Post
    Actually that isnt how it happened at all. A lawsuit from a shakedown artist in CA came out. We are defending ourselves and the fighting the ridiculous suit. Then someone sent PA a sample which was claimed to be Craze. PA claimed to have tested something which has no chain of custody, not a sealed tub etc etc etc. NOT THE REVERSE. PA claimed Craze contained only 2 things, N-Benzyl PEA and Diethyl PEA. NO caffeine, no creatine etc.
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    Not quite Matt. Tub was sealed. I never claimed it only contained two things either. Many of the things on the label would not be seen on the GC/MS.

    I dont want to talk about Craze anymore but its important that you report the things i said accurately.

    I also tested a second bottle of craze that was obtained direct from retailer but i will not report the results, as I received your certified letter from your attorneys and this is not worth me getting sued over
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    Patrick Arnold is a beast. I'm going to take his word on this thank u pat
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    Yeah, I figured DS was sending letters from lawyer to shut people up like PA and guy on bb.com. Threaten everyone whose test comes out different and then post their own results would be an interesting tactic. Is lawsuit dismissed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    Not quite Matt. Tub was sealed. I never claimed it only contained two things either. Many of the things on the label would not be seen on the GC/MS.

    I dont want to talk about Craze anymore but its important that you report the things i said accurately.

    I also tested a second bottle of craze that was obtained direct from retailer but i will not report the results, as I received your certified letter from your attorneys and this is not worth me getting sued over
    Sorry to hear Pat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Do you think he didn't test anything, or that he thought he was testing Craze? If you mean the latter, I agree that the presence of only those 2 compounds raises a red flag, but neuron/madchemist is bar none one of the most honest people I know and I am certain he would not send PA a fake sample. Any idea what could have happened?
    I completely agree on neuron. Also, PA said he didn't test for everything
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    I like comments that it must just be caffiene that makes Craze so great. I have no clue if true, but I have taken different size doses if caffiene in many PWOs and never experienced the same effect. Must be some awesome new generic strand of super awesome caffeine or just a whopping huge dose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    Not quite Matt. Tub was sealed. I never claimed it only contained two things either. Many of the things on the label would not be seen on the GC/MS.

    I dont want to talk about Craze anymore but its important that you report the things i said accurately.

    I also tested a second bottle of craze that was obtained direct from retailer but i will not report the results, as I received your certified letter from your attorneys and this is not worth me getting sued over
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