any REAL vasodilator supps?
- 01-25-2012, 05:15 PM
any REAL vasodilator supps?
with everything ive heard about arginine pretty much being a scam over the past few years, im wondering if there are any supplements out there that actually DO help with vasodilation. ive heard of a few, but nothing that people really report much on.
this is kind of a two-fold question as i love good pumps, but im also looking for something to add to the mix to help lower my blood pressure (obviously im off pwo's/stims right now until i can hopefully get it lowered). am i wrong about arginine? is there anything else out there that could help me reach these 2 goals that won't counteract the benefits on blood pressure by containing a lot of stimulants (i never could understand the concept of preworkout marketing.... including caffeine and stims which restricts blood flow and saying its a vasodilator)
just picked up some , but ive yet to try it... any suggestions?
- 01-25-2012, 05:35 PM
Bulkworks really well. I'm using the Primaforce kind. Tastes like hell though, next time I'll definitely go for some caps.
- 01-25-2012, 05:56 PM
01-25-2012, 05:57 PM
Yes its called insulin.
Use Karbolyn or EVogen products to spike insulin with high molecular weight carbs (or any damn weight) + insulinogenic amino acids etc etc....
Sip DURING your workout and you willbe VERY pumped....the leaner you are , the more cosmetic effect that will take place.
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01-25-2012, 06:00 PM
01-25-2012, 06:48 PM
01-25-2012, 06:57 PM
01-25-2012, 07:16 PM
Anecdotal evidence seems to have most people leaning towards Agmatine for pumps (Not gonna lie I LOVE the stuff and do feel it pumps me up, but I do not believe I have seen any studies to back this up yet).
Maybe also look into a product containing nitrates. Thermolife seems to be the top of the line when it comes to those type of products, but you may find some other companies have good options (like SAN's creatine nitrate containing products for example).
01-25-2012, 07:33 PM
i get a nice pump from anabeta and creatine nitrate
01-25-2012, 07:43 PM
01-25-2012, 07:46 PM
Don't nitrates have some blood pressure lowering affect?
Also, I learned the hard way that Perform lowers bp. By itself it is safe, just don't stack it w other bp lowering supps. Lol
01-25-2012, 08:23 PM
thanks for the suggestions, i think i need to get some agmatine
flex - ill look into perform as well.... after 2.5 weeks of celery seed and hawthorn berry, ive seen no change in BP (it actually read a few points higher today than the day i started) with the exception of 1 weird day where it was low. but ive heard these things take time, so ill probably hold off on the perform until ive had this stuff in my system for 6 weeks or so
01-25-2012, 08:37 PM
01-25-2012, 09:09 PM
I logged creatine nitrate and anabeta a while back. Loved the pumps and the good thing is they started with the first dose of anabeta in the morning then when I added CN as pre workout, the pumps just got sick nasty.
01-25-2012, 09:42 PM
I've also read that cherry juice is supposed to? Haven't really looked into it so I don't know if it's concentrate or what.Originally Posted by bill86
And I also learned the hard way that cialis can lower it too.
01-25-2012, 10:02 PM
alot of "pump" products are scams though. its funny cause it says its an NO product that are known for pumps but one main ingredient in it is caffeine which is a vasoconstrictor
01-25-2012, 10:03 PM
There are a few things that come to mind. As stated, nitrates would be perfect for your case, and agmatine is certainly an option; it has been shown to significantly reduce blood pressure when administered intravenously, however, when orally dosed I am unsure. Icariin, found in Perform, is a PDE5 inhibitor, so that would work in both cases as well. There's also citrulline, which increases endogenous NO, and has been shown to lower systolic blood pressure.
Take your pick
01-25-2012, 10:04 PM
I think a good NO bolster is rpm and drive. Mix in some v02 ultra, and some purple wraath. Done
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01-25-2012, 10:27 PM
Pick.up some.agmatine. Its truly.one.of.my favorites.Originally Posted by ponysteak
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01-25-2012, 10:32 PM
Caffeine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia . Caffeine breaks down into different compounds. One of which is Theobromine: Theobromine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia read up some, its always good stuff to know. Caffeine is likely where most of the pumps come from in products that also contain arginine.
01-25-2012, 10:39 PM
Have you ever tried hemoval? It is the best pump/vasodilater I've ever tried. It has agmatine in it as well
01-25-2012, 10:55 PM
Agmatine only good with carbs they say. I'm a low carber (less than 80g a day)Originally Posted by bigintensions
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01-26-2012, 12:14 AM
i actually mentioned nitrates in another thread. since my bp has been up, ive cut out preworkouts which is MISERABLE, and was wondering if something like c4 would be helpful as it may give me energy without increasing my bp due to the creatine nitrate (just my thinking, no science behind that haha)
01-26-2012, 12:31 AM
Agmatine and citrulline malate. Buckets, bro.
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01-26-2012, 01:06 AM
Arginine definitely gets a bad rap.. mostly from people who under dose it... I have honestly replaced my prescription of atenelol bp medication with 15-20 grams of arginine stacked with 7.5 - 10 grams of ornithine a day, taken on an empty stomach.... there's research that shows a significant gh release when taken in a 2:1 ratio at this level and my bp is averaging 124/70... was 150/90 before starting on medication .... when I stop the arginine it jumps back up so I am convinced it works.... I buy 2.2 pound tubs of bulk arginine on amazon.... I don't care what anyone says,,, it works for me!!!
01-26-2012, 05:00 AM
Well hello there. I see after 2 weeks of spamming my inbox with love notes you have finally decided to reveal yourself with your first post.Originally Posted by ILUVNEGS
Since you love negs so much I guess I should do the respectable thing and send you some.
01-26-2012, 07:18 AM
Olive leaf extract and taurine are both solid choices, as is agmatine and nitrates.
It's not absolutely necessary to cut out all pre-workouts with the thought that caffeine will raise your blood pressure (assuming that is your thought), as exercise induced vasodilation negates caffeine's capacity to cause vasoconstriction, and while there generally are other ingredients in preworkouts that can increase your blood pressure at rest, many preworkouts on the market include vasodilators with the ability to reduce your blood pressure. I honestly wouldn't worry about it unless you notice a large spike in your blood pressure when using a certain pre.
01-26-2012, 07:39 AM
01-26-2012, 08:27 AM
All of us don't wanna go in the gym pitchin a tentOriginally Posted by swollen87
01-26-2012, 09:29 AM
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