How bad of an idea is this?

[luelinks]

Ok so they say don't take the ECA stack if you are taking a pre-workout. Well here is my problem.

I wake up at 6 and go to bed at 11. If I take a dose every 4 hours it should go something like this.

6 ECA
10 ECA
2 ECA

1) I workout at 5 or 6. Can I take a pre-workout at 5 or not?

2) I want to add Sildenafil to my pre-workout...bad idea on this stack?

Pre-workouts currently on hand:

ASGT
Mesomorph
naNO Vapor(it was free...)
Assualt(don't like it that much)
Lit-up(it's coming in)
C4(it's coming in...thank you cellucore)
Hermo-rate ultra concentrated(thank you Nutrex)
Black powder(the stick)

I think that's all of them.


Thanks guys!

 

[Outstanding]

I got your PM about coming in and helping out... and... I don't know.

Hey, I don't know everything Seriously, when I'm unsure, I admit it. I wish I could have been more help, but I find it's vastly better to admit your limits on certain topics than to guess and end up giving someone detrimental advice.

 

[luelinks]

I got your PM about coming in and helping out... and... I don't know.

Hey, I don't know everything Seriously, when I'm unsure, I admit it. I wish I could have been more help, but I find it's vastly better to admit your limits on certain topics than to guess and end up giving someone detrimental advice.

I wish I could rep you right now but it doesn't let me. thanks for being honest though!

 

[nattydisaster]

Well...its def not a good idea lol.

Only advice I can offer is, all those preworkouts contain caffeine, so I wouldnt take any caffeine with ephedrine. All those stims + ephedrine would scare me though

 

[luelinks]

Well...its def not a good idea lol.

Only advice I can offer is, all those preworkouts contain caffeine, so I wouldnt take any caffeine with ephedrine. All those stims + ephedrine would scare me though

hmmm ok. Mesomorph has 1,3 in it and yeah everything I got has caffiene in it, well except assault but I don't like it that much, I like steam soooo much!

 

[MakaveliThaDon]

If you are looking for a good non stim pre workout so that you can keep your ECA, it's worth checking out the caffeine free version of ragnarok.

 

[luelinks]

If you are looking for a good non stim pre workout so that you can keep your ECA, it's worth checking out the caffeine free version of ragnarok.

It looks like an awesome/expensive pre-workout!

 

[rochabp]

just take the preworkout with eph and aspirin, just dont add more caff on top of the preworkout. i think youll live. but then again you gotta know your limits and how your body works, i personally think i could handle that but if you are sensitive then dont do it.

 

[luelinks]

just take the preworkout with eph and aspirin, just dont add more caff on top of the preworkout. i think youll live. but then again you gotta know your limits and how your body works, i personally think i could handle that but if you are sensitive then dont do it.

I've done like 3-4 shots(maybe it was 5-6) of espresso while I was taking OEP and TT-33 and ASGT/pump for pre-wokrout. The only thing that made me sick latley was 1 scoop of mesomorph and 8 caps of nitrozin.

Edit: I've been on stims for 6-8 months straight(I know it's not good but I LOOOOOOVE them SOOOOO MUCH!)

 

[MakaveliThaDon]

Dude, if your a stim junky like that you'll be fine man

 

[luelinks]

Dude, if your a stim junky like that you'll be fine man

I think I might...I guess I just gotta listen to my body. But the Sildenafil is what's scary.

 

[luelinks]

Update: got some bronkaid 40 or so minutes ago and took it with 81mg of aspirin and 200mg of caffiene. I took it 2 hours after I had eaten. I'm in class right now and my heart rate is up, am all awake, and I feel a little bit stomach ache(took it on too empty of a stomach). I THINK I might be able to do this 3X a day with a pre-workout. But maybe half a serving than what I usually take. I'll be ordering some Sildenafil and see if this stack will kill me or not. Oh I'll be also getting some CM Soooooo...yeah!

 

[MakaveliThaDon]

Well you know the thing about stims is you will find out RIGHT QUICK if it was too much or not, haha.

 

[luelinks]

Aight I'm still in class, well lab, and the stim effect is completely gone and now I'm just super hungry.

 

[Outstanding]

I wish I could rep you right now but it doesn't let me. thanks for being honest though!

A-L-W-A-Y-S!

 

[luelinks]

Ok so just to let you guys know taking ECA 3 times a day and then taking Mesomorph for a pre-workout is NOT a problem. Also I'm in pain so I'm going to up the dose of my aspirin to 3 caps of 81mg. Next time I'm going to buy the 300mg and run this just like it says in the Anabolic book.

 

[Rahl]

Wow. I'd have a heart attack. I'm super sensitive to stims though.

 

[luelinks]

Wow. I'd have a heart attack. I'm super sensitive to stims though.

I'm looking for 50mg eph HCL so I could split it into two but I can't find any. I found one site but they are other sites saying it might be fake. How the **** is it that I can find and buy steroids, or "PH"s, faster and easier than ephedrine?!?

 

[MakaveliThaDon]

I still have a couple unopened bottles of ephedrine HCL from years ago. but TBH I don't remember it ever working any better than the designer fat loss supps like OEP and Alpha T2 that are out now. Perhaps I just didn't know what I was doing back in the day or something..?

 

[luelinks]

I still have a couple unopened bottles of ephedrine HCL from years ago. but TBH I don't remember it ever working any better than the designer fat loss supps like OEP and Alpha T2 that are out now. Perhaps I just didn't know what I was doing back in the day or something..?

This **** is awesome! The only thing that it didn't do for me was to kill my appetite like PES beta stim did. If you look around people started taking it with 81mg aspirin AFTER it got banned but before 300mg. You can't OD on aspirin unless your take it more than 1g at a time, which is unnecessary. Also I'm thinking of doing ECGA. Eph/Caffeine/Green tea/aspirin. Also some people say if you just walk up to the pharmacy and ask for ephedrine they'll give it to you. So I'll be trying that tomorrow. I truly don't know how companies came out with diet pills when ephedrine was out there. I guess everybody had a party after it was banned.

P.S. when your about to purchase it they'll take your driver license number and everything...****ing FDA had to ban this magic pill.

 

[mikaveli06]

Hey partner, i do eca 3x a day and still take mesomorph with no problem too....u should get ur ephedrine from fitshop.ca, straight ephedrine hcl....8mg pills so u can dose 2-4 at time to ur liking, 16-32 mg, i personally do 3 (24mg) and works great.....u can get 1200 pills for like 75-85 bucks shipped.....thats like 4.5 months at 3x daily doses of 24 mg....cant beat that........they ship to US with no problem

 

[MakaveliThaDon]

Well...its def not a good idea lol.

Only advice I can offer is, all those preworkouts contain caffeine, so I wouldnt take any caffeine with ephedrine. All those stims + ephedrine would scare me though

what would you say about someone stacking ECA with alpha T2?

 

[mikaveli06]

what would you say about someone stacking ECA with alpha T2?

forgot to mention i use at2 also, great results, be ready to sweat.......tried ecay (yohimbine) and didnt change much, but then read insulin completely blunts the effect of the yohimbine so now i only would use the yohimbine for fasted cardio when im on a break from the eca/at2

 

[MakaveliThaDon]

Where are you guys getting your ephedrine HCL at?

I had a bunch of bottles that I stocked up on, and decided to try some out today, these bottles were all sealed, but had an expiration date of 2006, LOL. Anyways, I popped some this morning on an empty stomach and I didn't feel a thing. Literally could of went right back to bed.

edit: I'm in the US

 

[luelinks]

Hey partner, i do eca 3x a day and still take mesomorph with no problem too....u should get ur ephedrine from fitshop.ca, straight ephedrine hcl....8mg pills so u can dose 2-4 at time to ur liking, 16-32 mg, i personally do 3 (24mg) and works great.....u can get 1200 pills for like 75-85 bucks shipped.....thats like 4.5 months at 3x daily doses of 24 mg....cant beat that........they ship to US with no problem

Yo man I might actually die tonight! Took ECA 45-50 minutes ago and 5 minutes ago I took mesomorph. :bigeye: I'm about to order straight ephedrine hcl...1000 25-30mg pills for $120. I just got to see if they are a safe source. I found couple of places that companies place an order on

 

[Unclebuck]

Look up in the sky over your head.Them there is storm clouds a brewin' son..................

 

[Unclebuck]

Maybe I should have explained that a little better. I was trying to give you a subtle hint rather than coming on too strong. You don't need all those doses just for weight loss. The problem with stims is that everything is fine.....until it ain't. I actually saw someone OD on caffeine pills. I don't mean OD go to hospital. I mean OD dead. I just think you are heading for trouble.

 

[luelinks]

Maybe I should have explained that a little better. I was trying to give you a subtle hint rather than coming on too strong. You don't need all those doses just for weight loss. The problem with stims is that everything is fine.....until it ain't. I actually saw someone OD on caffeine pills. I don't mean OD go to hospital. I mean OD dead. I just think you are heading for trouble.

oh, ok. The problem is that they only sell in bulk that's why they only sell a 1,000 25mg at a time ::happysad: but it'll cost me as much as getting 600 8mg from Canada. But I'm not going to take 50mg of E...I'm still going to stay at 25mg but then I don't have to give my personal info just for buying Bronkaid and worry about all my friends that work at all the different pharmacies questioning me.

 

[fayd]

Sildenafil would lower blood pressure, which may nicely counteract the increase in BP from the stims. However, lowering blood pressure increases heart rate, which could increase discomfort or decrease safety (esp if training). I'd bet there is probably a balancing effect and BP remains the same, though.

IIRC drug users like to mix cocaine or amphetamines with viagra to counteract the stim ****. So, while people have done it and survived, it may not be the best option. I'd save the V for after your cut.

 

[MakaveliThaDon]

Are you guys cycling off the eca every 2 weeks or so an using a different thermo for a bit to recharge the beta 2 receptors? Or just staying on it for weeks at a time?

 

[mikaveli06]

Are you guys cycling off the eca every 2 weeks or so an using a different thermo for a bit to recharge the beta 2 receptors? Or just staying on it for weeks at a time?

Im doin 6weeks on, 2-3 weeks off, ive heard taking a benedryl at night is suppossed to prolong this, anyone know this to be helpfull or just bro-science if u will

 

[MakaveliThaDon]

yah, that is true. I've used couph syrup on a clen cycle before. It acts in the same way ketotifen does on the beta 2 receptors.