Ecdysterone - Any fans here?

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  1. Fun thread. Just read it all the way through.
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  2. Huge fan!!!! Btw this is from wiki

    Ecdysone is a steroidal prohormone of the major insect molting hormone 20-hydroxyecdysone, which is secreted from the prothoracic glands. Insect molting hormones (ecdysone and its homologues) are generally called ecdysteroids.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Bigugly View Post
    Huge fan!!!! Btw this is from wiki

    Ecdysone is a steroidal prohormone of the major insect molting hormone 20-hydroxyecdysone, which is secreted from the prothoracic glands. Insect molting hormones (ecdysone and its homologues) are generally called ecdysteroids.
    gotta love that wiki!
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  4. Anyone look at that new Ecdy product from LG? Sub-Sterone i think its called?

    Looks pretty legit. Would have bought some if I had some cash...ill just save up a bit. If I had some cash I would love to run a solid ecdy with some Forskolin. Especiall since i normally have a fairly high protein diet for my size(230-290 for 185)....im thinking an ecdy would be a nice add on.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by GoHardOrGoHme View Post
    Anyone look at that new Ecdy product from LG? Sub-Sterone i think its called?

    Looks pretty legit. Would have bought some if I had some cash...ill just save up a bit. If I had some cash I would love to run a solid ecdy with some Forskolin. Especiall since i normally have a fairly high protein diet for my size(230-290 for 185)....im thinking an ecdy would be a nice add on.
    I think you would really like this GH; the concentration of the extract is many fold above other products on the market and the delivery system is going to bring more bio-availability then has been seen before as well. I bet it would stack great with a forskolin based product as well... got me thinking!
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    I think you would really like this GH; the concentration of the extract is many fold above other products on the market and the delivery system is going to bring more bio-availability then has been seen before as well. I bet it would stack great with a forskolin based product as well... got me thinking!

    Well think about it...increased protein synthesis PLUS increase cAMP activity would be a very nice for a strong recomp with an emphasis on strength gain and fat loss. I would love to run it as a bridge between Swole stacks. Starting int he middle of one cycle and then ending in the begining of the next. Start on week 5 run the last 4 weeks and then run throughout the 4-6 weeks betweeen the stack and finish after the first week on the following stack. Would allow for consistant gains while giving your body a break for the herbs.

    Can work with the natabolic stack to. Start during your run with natabolic and continue through PCT to continue gains.
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  7. I have been taking a product containing ecdysone for over six year. *Not sure how much is in it (universal nutrition m-stak). *But I have notice on either my week off or month off (depending on my cycle) my sex drive is down big time. *It's to the point that my chick make smart ass comments about my supps.*

    Anyone else experience this prob. Also Don't take any pro homornes tried them once and quit after four day.

    Another question for follow ecdy lovers!! Is there a need for PCT? *I always take a test booster PCT because my sex drive is so low during my off cycle of ecdy (m-stak and iso stak R my sources)*

  8. I'm typing this from my iPhone and I'm lazy sorry about the grammars


    Quote Originally Posted by Bigugly View Post
    I have been taking a product containing ecdysone for over six year. *Not sure how much is in it (universal nutrition m-stak). *But I have notice on either my week off or month off (depending on my cycle) my sex drive is down big time. *It's to the point that my chick make smart ass comments about my supps.*

    Anyone else experience this prob. Also Don't take any pro homornes tried them once and quit after four day.

    Another question for follow ecdy lovers!! Is there a need for PCT? *I always take a test booster PCT because my sex drive is so low during my off cycle of ecdy (m-stak and iso stak R my sources)*

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Bigugly View Post
    I have been taking a product containing ecdysone for over six year. *Not sure how much is in it (universal nutrition m-stak). *But I have notice on either my week off or month off (depending on my cycle) my sex drive is down big time. *It's to the point that my chick make smart ass comments about my supps.*

    Anyone else experience this prob. Also Don't take any pro homornes tried them once and quit after four day.

    Another question for follow ecdy lovers!! Is there a need for PCT? *I always take a test booster PCT because my sex drive is so low during my off cycle of ecdy (m-stak and iso stak R my sources)*
    It is non hormonal so there is no need for a pct. Some people actually use it in pct. My guess is the AI in Mstack lowered your estrogen too much.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by metroba View Post
    It is non hormonal so there is no need for a pct. Some people actually use it in pct. My guess is the AI in Mstack lowered your estrogen too much.

    Al???

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Bigugly View Post
    Al???
    aromatase inhibitor...it is only a guess. It could be anything. Some blood work would help you nail it down though.
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  12. Yea.... I've been meaning to do that. Should I wait till I'm on a break from ecdy & mstak before I get blood work?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Bigugly View Post
    Yea.... I've been meaning to do that. Should I wait till I'm on a break from ecdy & mstak before I get blood work?
    Yes, you should be off everything for at least 3-4 weeks so your body can reach homeostasis then get your blood work done. A hormone panel should give you what you need and identify where your test/estro levels are and the ratio of the two that is just as important.
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).

  14. ax1, that is some very inspirational sh*t right there. I've dabbled w/ ckd/Bodyopus in the past. I didn't know what I was doign and lost tooooo much muscle. Do you ever get lethargic/hypo? Probably not now, but when you first started?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by TonyMaserati View Post
    ax1, that is some very inspirational sh*t right there. I've dabbled w/ ckd/Bodyopus in the past. I didn't know what I was doign and lost tooooo much muscle. Do you ever get lethargic/hypo? Probably not now, but when you first started?

    This wasn't to me was it?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Bigugly View Post
    This wasn't to me was it?
    Ok never mind I was driving and and blogging at the same time.........

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Bigugly View Post
    Ok never mind I was driving and and blogging at the same time.........
    Lol!! Very impressive sir...very impressive. I've managed to send texts when driving, but not post on a bodybuilding forum!

  18. Quote Originally Posted by saggy321 View Post
    Lol!! Very impressive sir...very impressive. I've managed to send texts when driving, but not post on a bodybuilding forum!
    I try lol

  19. Quote Originally Posted by TonyMaserati View Post
    ax1, that is some very inspirational sh*t right there. I've dabbled w/ ckd/Bodyopus in the past. I didn't know what I was doign and lost tooooo much muscle. Do you ever get lethargic/hypo? Probably not now, but when you first started?
    For some reason when I first hit keto, and do it 100% correct I seem to have the best energy about 2 days into it once my body starts burning fat as an energy source.

    Yes there is a right way to do it and a wrong way to do it, some people like carb cycling, personally I like to keep my body at fat burning only.

    Low carb dieting properly can amount to muscle gains if you do everything right.

    Quote Originally Posted by metroba View Post
    It is non hormonal so there is no need for a pct. Some people actually use it in pct. My guess is the AI in Mstack lowered your estrogen too much.
    If one can afford, its probably good to run LG Substerone all the way through a cycle and through pct which should be around 8-9 weeks.
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  20. HUGE ecdysterone fan here.

    I've been using various Ecdy products for over 15 years, going back to the original ZOE Discoveries Zebutol, Ecdysterone and sapogenin analogs such as "Anabolica" which was otherwise known as "Laxogenin" and formulated by Mark Thierman... the chemist who introduced Mesobolin back in the day via his company Amino discounters. I've run lab tests on all 3, and the results were quite interesting.

    I've been so intrigued by the Ecdysterone story/results I've seen, I wrote and Ecdy-centric optimal use protocol called "The Blueprint". ZB126 ran a modified Blueprint protocol with the sub-ecdy beta and this was before he was a rep for LG:

    -=[ZB126 Gets Swole with LG Science's subECDY!]=-

    In fact, here's what Dr. P, Scientific advisor to Thermolife had to say about The Blueprint:

    "With regards to blueprint: It is definitely not just another program. It is very different from everything I have seen from the 'popular programs' crowd because it tuned and tweaked to lead into repeated states of borderline-overtraining and then to cut back on training stress just in the right moment in order to have the optimal growth stimulus. The addition of a strong adaptogen then fortifies and speeds up recuperation and regeneration tremendously, allowing for some insane gains within relatively short periods of time."

    Very interesting compound to say the least. For an overview of its benefits (including those in mammals), please consult this excellent resource:

    http://ecdybase.org/index.php?&action=ecdyeffects

  21. I take ecdystone 4 times a day... Should I be taking it with meals or in between meals on a empty stomach? I now take 3 tabs with meals and once a day on a empty stomach...

  22. just recieved my sub sterone while i was at the gym, came back, and although it said to take 6 pumps prior to workout, i just took 6 immediately after. hope this works!

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    I just completed another 3 month run of this stuff. I love it.

    I know this is not a "sexy" supplement and the effects are not like gear or a PH's but the stuff just recomps me like none other. More importantly, since I am in my 40's, I do not have to worry about sides!! NONE and the fact I am not without messing around with my hormones; this makes the cost needed for higher doses justified.

    -I am able to cheat more an get away with it.
    -Maintain strength while dieting.
    -Leans me out - similar to var ( I crap you not)
    -Get crazy vascular (even at rest).
    -"Feel" better (adaptogenic properties?!?!?!)

    I used to run ~2 grams a day (1x300mg cap from SciFit every 2 hours x 6 caps/day).

    This time around, I ran this again and added:
    1) EBOL (4 caps/day) - Spread out at 1 cap every 3 hours
    2) LeanXtreme (3 caps a day - spread out 1 cap every 3 hours)
    ***LeanXtreme made my fat loss and recomp more pronounced this time!

    RIPPED and I enjoyed my 2 cheat days per week.

    This is NOT a cheap cycle but the results and lack of sides and almost euphoric feeling while "ON" made this one fun cycle.

    Just figured I'd share
    My single favorite OTC compound, period. I have long since sang its praises as an indispensable adjunct to my all-time most successful natural cycle. I Emailed Sci-Fit directly and asked them to enlighten me on their Ecdy content extract yield, and never heard back from them. I would only advise people to seek out 98%, since oral dosing with this compound can be dicey (absorption), and Russian Star even has a famous log detailing his experiences injecting it (my chosen method of administration, should RS ever get back to me with those directions! Ha!)

    Also... testing methods and extract percentages can vary wildly based on the thoroughness of testing, and testing procedure used; so it can be a risky investment, even if the distributor advertises 98%.

    If finances were of no consequence, I would really like to undergo a massive dose protocol, and see if the effects are dose dependent and max out at an optimal dosage, or if they can truly compound and increase higher and higher.

    At any rate, I have several quotes from bulk distributors, and am always toying with the option to run it at something unprecedented, around 10g/day (!), and report back on the overall result - which I would confidently hypothesize would be staggering indeed.

    M-Stak is my all time favorite iteration of an Ecdy product thus far, but that was taken in concert with Animal Test and Hemodraulix, so the exaggerated anabolism and body re-composition can't be credited solely to M-Stak.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    My single favorite OTC compound, period. I have long since sang its praises as an indispensable adjunct to my all-time most successful natural cycle. I Emailed Sci-Fit directly and asked them to enlighten me on their Ecdy content extract yield, and never heard back from them. I would only advise people to seek out 98%, since oral dosing with this compound can be dicey (absorption), and Russian Star even has a famous log detailing his experiences injecting it (my chosen method of administration, should RS ever get back to me with those directions! Ha!)

    Also... testing methods and extract percentages can vary wildly based on the thoroughness of testing, and testing procedure used; so it can be a risky investment, even if the distributor advertises 98%.

    If finances were of no consequence, I would really like to undergo a massive dose protocol, and see if the effects are dose dependent and max out at an optimal dosage, or if they can truly compound and increase higher and higher.

    At any rate, I have several quotes from bulk distributors, and am always toying with the option to run it at something unprecedented, around 10g/day (!), and report back on the overall result - which I would confidently hypothesize would be staggering indeed.
    10g/day would be pretty expensive but id definitely follow if u logged it it wouldnt suprise me if it felt like u were taking dbol lol
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by tnubs View Post
    10g/day would be pretty expensive but id definitely follow if u logged it it wouldnt suprise me if it felt like u were taking dbol lol
    Muscle fullness to spare... but I'll still keep it all to myself!

  26. A tip for those interested in maximizing Ecdy's activation of cyclic GMP (cGMP) and mTOR/PI3k-AKT pathway during the workout. The latter pathway is the most important, at least according to this study recently performed at Rutgers:

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

    If using LG's sub-ecdy, consider dosing about 15 min prior to the workout, + 3g of GABA, then consuming the following intra workout drink:

    GABA
    http://store.anabolicminds.com/produ...500-grams.html

    75 g of Kwik Karb
    http://store.anabolicminds.com/produ...ze-3-3-lb.html

    25g of whey isolate, inclusive of di-tri peptides
    http://store.anabolicminds.com/produ...alth-5lbs.html

    20g of BCAA's
    http://store.anabolicminds.com/produ...-s-1-kilo.html

    Alternatively, 10g of Leucine
    http://store.anabolicminds.com/produ...100-grams.html

    The 3g dose of GABA prior to the workout has been shown to quadruple GH output:

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

    Ecdy is a known amplifier of cyclic GMP (cGMP), which will be of much benefit during the workout. This clue was buried deep in LaFont's excellent paper, Practical uses for ecdysteroids in mammals including humans: an update R. Lafont1,3 and L. Dinan2,4. See page 16 of 30, under sub-heading: "Rapid membrane effects";

    http://www.insectscience.org/3.7/Laf...S_3_7_2003.pdf

    Finally, I use many of those very same ingredients from Nutraplanet in that intra workout drink. The amylopectins found in Kwik Karb rapidly pull the aminos and other goodies through the stomach, into the duodenum/small intestine and ultimately to the blood/muscle to recover you mighty quick.

    BONUS: You'll have none of the bloating/crash seen with dextrose. Start sipping that drink 15 min prior to, between sets and finish up after your workout. Finally, take another post workout dose of LG's Substerone at this time. Doing so will put the product in the best position to amplify your gains.

    We have other tips and tricks we use in The Blueprint, but I hope the above helps you guys...

  27. [QUOTE=Outstanding;2625663]My single favorite OTC compound, period. I have long since sang its praises as an indispensable adjunct to my all-time most successful natural cycle. I Emailed Sci-Fit directly and asked them to enlighten me on their Ecdy content extract yield, and never heard back from them. I would only advise people to seek out 98%, since oral dosing with this compound can be dicey (absorption), and Russian Star even has a famous log detailing his experiences injecting it (my chosen method of administration, should RS ever get back to me with those directions! Ha!)

    Also... testing methods and extract percentages can vary wildly based on the thoroughness of testing, and testing procedure used; so it can be a risky investment, even if the distributor advertises 98%.

    If finances were of no consequence, I would really like to undergo a massive dose protocol, and see if the effects are dose dependent and max out at an optimal dosage, or if they can truly compound and increase higher and higher.

    At any rate, I have several quotes from bulk distributors, and am always toying with the option to run it at something unprecedented, around 10g/day (!), and report back on the overall result - which I would confidently hypothesize would be staggering indeed.
    QUOTE]

    Damn, I'm going to PM you man on that super-concentrated transdermal dosing protocol you're using

    With respect to Ecdy and which product is best. I am unclear as to SciFit's source but the last public divulgence of source material was Cyanotis Vaga. The pricepoint/mg for that product would seem to support that is still the case.

    Finally, the gold standard (IMO) is still full spectrum Rhaponticum Carthamoides Extract. If you look closely at the literature, testing done (in humans) almost always gets back to full spectrum RCE as superior to any isolated Ecdy. Now it's true there is a fusillade of 20H, Turkesterone etc related literature showing they do as much/more in little furry creatures, but full spectrum RCE always showed up in humans as best - likely due to something called the "levseins" complex.

    Briefly, "levseins" is referred to in the former Soviet literature as a grouping of 10-12 (depending upon who's literature you read) of Ecdy's in a very specific ratio. PART of that ratio is 20H, part is Turk etc. There are also other beneficial components in the plant such as various tannins, resins etc that impart great benefit.

    One wrinkle if going to injectible route. Standalone ecdy's such as 20H etc are more water soluble vs. their androgen bretheren. Although they share the classic 4 carbon ring backbone, the multiple OH groups lend themselves to the molecule being more hydrophyllic (water loving) vs. hydrophobic.

    The REVERSE is true however with RCE due to the other components contained therein (tannins, resins etc). RCE is more hydrophobic. This is easily demonstrated by pouring straight 98% RCE into water and then vegetable oil. You'll notice it separates in water despite vigorous mixing. In oil, it will disperse much easier.

    FINAL WORD: I'm not sure why but LEGIT RCE was/is in very short supply. One company here in early August was offered "98% RCE" by a supplier in China and sent a C of A to back that up. Upon being tested, it was between 50-60% RCE with the balance (20H content) being spiked with Cyanotis Vaga.

    Hope that helps. PM on the way...

  28. Love ecdy! Can we get NP to bring back bulk ecdy!?!?


  29. Quote Originally Posted by StakedCop View Post
    Love ecdy! Can we get NP to bring back bulk ecdy!?!?
    I wish!
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  30. Maybe if we over load them with emails...

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