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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post

    currently im using Ebol with super cissus, vpx powershock and Erase. my muscles feel very swolen, i love it.

    ive done ebol with cbol and got great performance enchancement, but 20 days in i decided to stack natadrol in it which made things really interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrYmAsTeR17 View Post
    Do you have a cash tree in your backyard by any chance? It's fall time so the $ are showing their colors! lol
    lol.....bodybuilding is an expensive sport and investment. fortunately, it really doesn't cost much to feed me so it all balances out.
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    Practical uses for ecdysteroids in mammals including humans

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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    lol.....bodybuilding is an expensive sport and investment. fortunately, it really doesn't cost much to feed me so it all balances out.
    what do you eat if u cant eat carbs? chicken and steak get boring if u dont add some carbs with them
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    Quote Originally Posted by tnubs View Post
    what do you eat if u cant eat carbs? chicken and steak get boring if u dont add some carbs with them
    this is what i had today, and will have later today. today is my off day.

    breakfast 40gr protein shake and 20 almonds

    2.5 hours later 1/3 pound hamburger 10% fat with some lettuce, a little tomato sauce and 1 slice tomato, 10-15 almonds

    2.5 hours later 30gr myofusion shake 10 almonds

    2.5 hours later atkins bar

    maybe ill have 10-20 almonds again in between here

    3 hours later 2 whole eggs, 1/2 cup egg whites, 2 splendas, 25 soybeans for omelate, no oil but will use butter spray

    pre-bed 40gr myofusion shake

    i drink coffee with half and half about 4-6 cups a day, but i do brew it light so i dont overdue the caffeine. i get fat from the half and half, its important to know that.

    you shouldnt treat food as something to enjoy, you need to not be a regular human on the street but a machine, and feed it what it needs. i do enjoy what i eat its not that ridiculous, but im at the point id rather die than eat carbs and risk gaining fat again. well im not that crazy, but im being dead serious about eating, its the only way for me to turn into something beyond normal, which i still have more work to do of course.

    i dont count calories or macros....i know what i need and how much i need it. after 18 years of dieting i make it simple and just go by the way my body feels. im never hungry, i dont believe in that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    breakfast 40gr protein shake and 20 almonds
    ,10 almonds
    2.5 hours later 30gr myofusion shake 10 almonds
    maybe ill have 10-20 almonds again in between here
    pre-bed 40gr myofusion shake
    half and half, .
    Each of these has traces of carbs.

    The shakes have carbs if there is sugar in them and if you use milk-that's carbs. Almonds have traces of carbs, even natural ones; One serving has approximately 3 carbs. Half and half has carbs as it's essentially cream and sugar which become carbs.

    I'd say you get about ten to fifteen carbs a day if you use water for protein shakes.

    ^see everybody needs carbs
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    See the conversation starts to confuse me when it comes to ecdy. Sourcing, potency, brands.... So I think at some point ill have to try ebol, 2 bottles for 50 days. Ill probably throw in a methoxy for synergy too.

    If usp labs products worked for me, im willing to give this a try too. Btw, ph's always worked for me, and saw little to no sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrYmAsTeR17 View Post
    Each of these has traces of carbs.
    i have stated that i consume 30-50 grams of carbs daily in a previous post. yes you are correct.

    the only thing is that i dont count fiber, and i do have 20 grams of psyllium husks nightly to aid in digestion, but i dont count that either since fiber doesnt impact blood sugar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    i have stated that i consume 30-50 grams of carbs daily in a previous post. yes you are correct.

    the only thing is that i dont count fiber, and i do have 20 grams of psyllium husks nightly to aid in digestion, but i dont count that either since fiber doesnt impact blood sugar.
    Oh I thought you said you were zero-carb. My Bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrYmAsTeR17 View Post
    Oh I thought you said you were zero-carb. My Bad.
    i did say that, i usually say i dont eat carbs....its just the way i speak but sorry for the confusion. im on a very low year round low carb diet to be specific. i may experiment with cycling some day but im not ready for that yet.

    cutting out carbs 99.5% does have its benefits of more fat loss due to ketosis...but i dont feel like doing that, even i have my weaknesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    i did say that, i usually say i dont eat carbs....its just the way i speak but sorry for the confusion. im on a very low year round low carb diet to be specific. i may experiment with cycling some day but im not ready for that yet.

    cutting out carbs 99.5% does have its benefits of more fat loss due to ketosis...but i dont feel like doing that, even i have my weaknesses.
    Were you overwieight at one time? Is that why you try to cut carbs? Because I can eat 1000 carbs a day and never gain a single pound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrYmAsTeR17 View Post
    Were you overwieight at one time? Is that why you try to cut carbs? Because I can eat 1000 carbs a day and never gain a single pound.
    im prone to obesity....ive rollercoastered all my life....now im experienced and mature enough to hopefully keep it off.

    check out my before and after pics. post 1 has pics from a couple of month ago, and the second post was me in 2/2008. at the end of the thread i have my most recent pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    im prone to obesity....ive rollercoastered all my life....now im experienced and mature enough to hopefully keep it off.

    check out my before and after pics. post 1 has pics from a couple of month ago, and the second post was me in 2/2008. at the end of the thread i have my most recent pics.

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    Wow! what a difference! You went from Jack Black to Brad Pitt in only 2 years. Sh^t

    lol. I bet you're frantic when you gain a pound or two..Is it fat? Is it muscle? Where did it go George? Where'd the weight go? lol Whereas I'm lucky to gain an ounce, and if I do IT'S PARTY TIME



    Nice changes though, that's real dedication.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrYmAsTeR17 View Post
    Wow! what a difference! You went from Jack Black to Brad Pitt in only 2 years. Sh^t

    lol. I bet you're frantic when you gain a pound or two..Is it fat? Is it muscle? Where did it go George? Where'd the weight go? lol Whereas I'm lucky to gain an ounce, and if I do IT'S PARTY TIME



    Nice changes though, that's real dedication.
    thanks for the compliments....

    yes...when i gain a couple of pounds i question myself.....its not the direction i like, lol

    weight is important, i use it as a tool, but the mirror is the best indicator. muscle gain is always welcome, although not my priority at this point since i do have a decent base for my goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrYmAsTeR17 View Post
    Each of these has traces of carbs.

    The shakes have carbs if there is sugar in them and if you use milk-that's carbs. Almonds have traces of carbs, even natural ones; One serving has approximately 3 carbs. Half and half has carbs as it's essentially cream and sugar which become carbs.

    I'd say you get about ten to fifteen carbs a day if you use water for protein shakes.

    ^see everybody needs carbs
    this not matter all of them has carbs but you need REST the fiber then you obtain the NET CARBS with 10-12g carbs a day you maintain on KETO
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    Quote Originally Posted by rchaves View Post
    Nice to see this thread. I had actually been compiling a list of ecdy supps, noting the amount of beta-ecdysterones present in each capsule (adjusted for the standardization %). I didn't include any proprietary blends where the ecdy dosage was not given. Here's the list, if anyone is interested:

    495 mg/cap HOM Beta-Ecdysterone Anabolic Environment Enhancer
    300 mg/cap SciFit EcdySterone 300
    200 mg/cap Syntrax SyntraEC
    150 mg/cap Supreme Sports Enhancements Omnibolic
    100 mg/cap Peak Performance Ecdysone FX
    100 mg/cap Vyotech 17-HD
    98 mg/cap SciFit T-Max Dual Anabolic System
    52 mg/cap ThermoLife E-BOL
    25 mg/cap MRM ECDY-20
    25 mg/cap Universal IsoStak
    25 mg/cap Weider Beta-Ecdysterone
    20 mg/cap Scitec Nutrition MyoMeth
    15 mg/cap ThermoLife Ecdysten
    7.5 mg/cap LA Muscle Norateen Heavyweight II
    7.5 mg/cap LA Muscle Norateen II

    (If you guys see any omissions or errors, let me know and I can edit the list...)

    Personally, I took 300-400 mg of ecdy (Peak Performance product above), split into 3-4 doses each day, for about 4 weeks, with a high protein diet, a couple of years ago. To be honest, I didn't notice anything, good or bad. A bit disappointing.

    I'm thinking of getting the SSE Omnibolic and giving it another try though, this time with a different product and at a higher dose of 150 mg 3x/day (450 mg ED).

    Also, anyone have a study to back up the claim of synergy with methoxy?

    Cheers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    this not matter all of them has carbs but you need REST the fiber then you obtain the NET CARBS with 10-12g carbs a day you maintain on KETO

    The tribal folks get all theirs from vegetables, fruit, and nuts.
    This processed food with all the extras probably have a different chemical structure of carbs, sugars. and fats compared to the natural foods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    im prone to obesity....ive rollercoastered all my life....now im experienced and mature enough to hopefully keep it off.

    check out my before and after pics. post 1 has pics from a couple of month ago, and the second post was me in 2/2008. at the end of the thread i have my most recent pics.

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    Excellent progress.
    Much respect to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rchaves View Post
    E-BOL has 110 mg of rhaponticum carthamoides per serving (2 caps), and the extract is standardized to 95% Ecdysterone , so 52 mg/cap of ecdy. (That's how I calculated all the values in that list, to compare the amount of actives per cap.)

    Thanks for the info about the other "sterones in there. I'm not familiar with them... are they supposed to be better/stronger?

    I've never tried E-BOL (yet?), but people rave about it in all of the ecdy threads on here. Still, including all the sterones (is that what they're called?), that's only 62 mg per cap.... Seems a bit underdosed to me, but I suppose if you take the recommended 6 caps ED, you're getting 372 mg ED. Maybe if the quality is as high as you claim, that's good enough? Or maybe there's good synergy or effects from the other ingredients in E-BOL's profile. Hmm. Sounds like I might have to modify my shopping cart again and go find out.
    I know E-bol is designed well for maximum results.
    If I could get my hands on a formula with just the three ingredients below
    it would be a staple.

    Turkesabol™
    (Ajuga Turkestanica Extract - Imported Directly From The Institute Of The Chemistry Of Plant Substances, Academy Of Sciences, Republic Of Uzbekistan Containing: Turkesterone, Ecdysterone, Cyasterone And Ajugasterone)

    EcdyPure™
    Rhaponticum Carthamoides Extract Standardized For 95% Ecdysterone

    Rostanabol™
    (25 R)-5alpha-Spirostan-2alpha, 3beta, 5alpha-Triol-6-OH
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    just ordered these from Tonvara
    (been doing a little OT lately and since I have been supp free for the past few months its the best time to experiment.)

    Tonvara SuperEcdy Russian Leuzea Carthamoides Ecdysterone
    Tonvara TrueTurk Turkesterone from Ajuga Turkestanica from the ICPS in Uzbekistan

    Going to run them at 3 to 4 caps a day each.
    Started responding to the brands I mentioned earlier in about a week or so.
    And know my body well enough in relation to this to know if its legit.
    Will let you guys know if I get the same effects as I got with only ecdy.
    From the claimed potency of Turk, should be more pronounced.
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    Huge fan!!!! Btw this is from wiki

    Ecdysone is a steroidal prohormone of the major insect molting hormone 20-hydroxyecdysone, which is secreted from the prothoracic glands. Insect molting hormones (ecdysone and its homologues) are generally called ecdysteroids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigugly View Post
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    Ecdysone is a steroidal prohormone of the major insect molting hormone 20-hydroxyecdysone, which is secreted from the prothoracic glands. Insect molting hormones (ecdysone and its homologues) are generally called ecdysteroids.
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    Anyone look at that new Ecdy product from LG? Sub-Sterone i think its called?

    Looks pretty legit. Would have bought some if I had some cash...ill just save up a bit. If I had some cash I would love to run a solid ecdy with some Forskolin. Especiall since i normally have a fairly high protein diet for my size(230-290 for 185)....im thinking an ecdy would be a nice add on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoHardOrGoHme View Post
    Anyone look at that new Ecdy product from LG? Sub-Sterone i think its called?

    Looks pretty legit. Would have bought some if I had some cash...ill just save up a bit. If I had some cash I would love to run a solid ecdy with some Forskolin. Especiall since i normally have a fairly high protein diet for my size(230-290 for 185)....im thinking an ecdy would be a nice add on.
    I think you would really like this GH; the concentration of the extract is many fold above other products on the market and the delivery system is going to bring more bio-availability then has been seen before as well. I bet it would stack great with a forskolin based product as well... got me thinking!
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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    I think you would really like this GH; the concentration of the extract is many fold above other products on the market and the delivery system is going to bring more bio-availability then has been seen before as well. I bet it would stack great with a forskolin based product as well... got me thinking!

    Well think about it...increased protein synthesis PLUS increase cAMP activity would be a very nice for a strong recomp with an emphasis on strength gain and fat loss. I would love to run it as a bridge between Swole stacks. Starting int he middle of one cycle and then ending in the begining of the next. Start on week 5 run the last 4 weeks and then run throughout the 4-6 weeks betweeen the stack and finish after the first week on the following stack. Would allow for consistant gains while giving your body a break for the herbs.

    Can work with the natabolic stack to. Start during your run with natabolic and continue through PCT to continue gains.
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    I have been taking a product containing ecdysone for over six year. *Not sure how much is in it (universal nutrition m-stak). *But I have notice on either my week off or month off (depending on my cycle) my sex drive is down big time. *It's to the point that my chick make smart ass comments about my supps.*

    Anyone else experience this prob. Also Don't take any pro homornes tried them once and quit after four day.

    Another question for follow ecdy lovers!! Is there a need for PCT? *I always take a test booster PCT because my sex drive is so low during my off cycle of ecdy (m-stak and iso stak R my sources)*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigugly View Post
    I have been taking a product containing ecdysone for over six year. *Not sure how much is in it (universal nutrition m-stak). *But I have notice on either my week off or month off (depending on my cycle) my sex drive is down big time. *It's to the point that my chick make smart ass comments about my supps.*

    Anyone else experience this prob. Also Don't take any pro homornes tried them once and quit after four day.

    Another question for follow ecdy lovers!! Is there a need for PCT? *I always take a test booster PCT because my sex drive is so low during my off cycle of ecdy (m-stak and iso stak R my sources)*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigugly View Post
    I have been taking a product containing ecdysone for over six year. *Not sure how much is in it (universal nutrition m-stak). *But I have notice on either my week off or month off (depending on my cycle) my sex drive is down big time. *It's to the point that my chick make smart ass comments about my supps.*

    Anyone else experience this prob. Also Don't take any pro homornes tried them once and quit after four day.

    Another question for follow ecdy lovers!! Is there a need for PCT? *I always take a test booster PCT because my sex drive is so low during my off cycle of ecdy (m-stak and iso stak R my sources)*
    It is non hormonal so there is no need for a pct. Some people actually use it in pct. My guess is the AI in Mstack lowered your estrogen too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metroba View Post
    It is non hormonal so there is no need for a pct. Some people actually use it in pct. My guess is the AI in Mstack lowered your estrogen too much.

    Al???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigugly View Post
    Al???
    aromatase inhibitor...it is only a guess. It could be anything. Some blood work would help you nail it down though.
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    Yea.... I've been meaning to do that. Should I wait till I'm on a break from ecdy & mstak before I get blood work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigugly View Post
    Yea.... I've been meaning to do that. Should I wait till I'm on a break from ecdy & mstak before I get blood work?
    Yes, you should be off everything for at least 3-4 weeks so your body can reach homeostasis then get your blood work done. A hormone panel should give you what you need and identify where your test/estro levels are and the ratio of the two that is just as important.
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).
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    ax1, that is some very inspirational sh*t right there. I've dabbled w/ ckd/Bodyopus in the past. I didn't know what I was doign and lost tooooo much muscle. Do you ever get lethargic/hypo? Probably not now, but when you first started?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyMaserati View Post
    ax1, that is some very inspirational sh*t right there. I've dabbled w/ ckd/Bodyopus in the past. I didn't know what I was doign and lost tooooo much muscle. Do you ever get lethargic/hypo? Probably not now, but when you first started?

    This wasn't to me was it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigugly View Post
    This wasn't to me was it?
    Ok never mind I was driving and and blogging at the same time.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigugly View Post
    Ok never mind I was driving and and blogging at the same time.........
    Lol!! Very impressive sir...very impressive. I've managed to send texts when driving, but not post on a bodybuilding forum!
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    Lol!! Very impressive sir...very impressive. I've managed to send texts when driving, but not post on a bodybuilding forum!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyMaserati View Post
    ax1, that is some very inspirational sh*t right there. I've dabbled w/ ckd/Bodyopus in the past. I didn't know what I was doign and lost tooooo much muscle. Do you ever get lethargic/hypo? Probably not now, but when you first started?
    For some reason when I first hit keto, and do it 100% correct I seem to have the best energy about 2 days into it once my body starts burning fat as an energy source.

    Yes there is a right way to do it and a wrong way to do it, some people like carb cycling, personally I like to keep my body at fat burning only.

    Low carb dieting properly can amount to muscle gains if you do everything right.

    Quote Originally Posted by metroba View Post
    It is non hormonal so there is no need for a pct. Some people actually use it in pct. My guess is the AI in Mstack lowered your estrogen too much.
    If one can afford, its probably good to run LG Substerone all the way through a cycle and through pct which should be around 8-9 weeks.
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    HUGE ecdysterone fan here.

    I've been using various Ecdy products for over 15 years, going back to the original ZOE Discoveries Zebutol, Ecdysterone and sapogenin analogs such as "Anabolica" which was otherwise known as "Laxogenin" and formulated by Mark Thierman... the chemist who introduced Mesobolin back in the day via his company Amino discounters. I've run lab tests on all 3, and the results were quite interesting.

    I've been so intrigued by the Ecdysterone story/results I've seen, I wrote and Ecdy-centric optimal use protocol called "The Blueprint". ZB126 ran a modified Blueprint protocol with the sub-ecdy beta and this was before he was a rep for LG:

    -=[ZB126 Gets Swole with LG Science's subECDY!]=-

    In fact, here's what Dr. P, Scientific advisor to Thermolife had to say about The Blueprint:

    "With regards to blueprint: It is definitely not just another program. It is very different from everything I have seen from the 'popular programs' crowd because it tuned and tweaked to lead into repeated states of borderline-overtraining and then to cut back on training stress just in the right moment in order to have the optimal growth stimulus. The addition of a strong adaptogen then fortifies and speeds up recuperation and regeneration tremendously, allowing for some insane gains within relatively short periods of time."

    Very interesting compound to say the least. For an overview of its benefits (including those in mammals), please consult this excellent resource:

    http://ecdybase.org/index.php?&action=ecdyeffects
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