They probably don't count the hydrolysates as they aren't complete proteins. Doesn't mean they aren't there, just means LG doesn't consider short peptides and free aminos as whole protein, which is as it should be.
There needs to be a specific combination of amino's to form the type of protein chain you're talking about. If you just have for instance, arginine, its a type of protein, as all aminos are considered proteins, however, arginine in of itself will not form the proper amino chain that the body will recognize as the type of muscle growing protein you're inquiring about.
Different amino's have different functions for a large part. Various proteins have a lot of functions in the body apart from muscle building. ASGT probably does not contain the protein chain forming aminos, but has other energy related aminos.
I haven't looked at the label, but I'm presuming this is the case. A lot of preworkouts contain particular proteins, but does not contain actual grams of protein. Arginine and its precursor ornithine are used in a lot of preworkouts that don't contain grams of protein.
Hydrolysates aren't complete proteins. By definition a hydrolysate is a hydrolysed protein, i.e. broken down into smaller peptides.
Whey Protein Hydrolysate discloses where the peptides originated from. There's a big difference structurally, biochemically and physically between a complete protein and a lysed peptide.
Hydrolyzed protein is protein that is been broken down into its basic amino acids by boiling in acids, bases, or enzymes. Which is why the hydrolysate protein content is listed under ASGT's "Amino Acid Complex," and not Protein.
This is my first day on the job. I will offer my opinion on this as I don't have an exact answer and will try to find out what the ideology is behind the way the label is listed. I would tend to agree with the mindset of Resolve, Volc, and Hoop. What they are stating makes sense to me why it might be labeled that way.
Lets be honest here and say that it would be more beneficial for LG Sciences to put the protein content in grams as a bell and whistle. Layman would look at that and go wow I get 4 grams of protein for every scoop. Wouldn't mean much to most of us who are not trying to get protein from our pre-workout.
I would also assume if LG had listed all of the aminos and peptides as proteins someone would have come up with the opposite side of this coin and ask why they counted partial proteins a whole protein sources.
On another note this argument is pretty moot as far as points go. Aminos are are basically ALL HYDROLYZED PROTEIN. The process to separate the aminos from the original protein source is called hydrolyzation. The only difference here is how far down the protein source was broken down. The idea of hydrolyzed protein is quicker absorption than whole proteins however these have been broken down into particulates and are no longer full forms of protein. SO the same logic should apply to them on a label as with any other amino acids. They are just not Free form aminos, they still have some bindings. So either way you have the option of counting them all as aminos since none are complete protein sources, and all are hydrolyzed protein.
The only reason these are here is to prevent catabolism and promote ATP. So don't get hung up on these being high or low.
Everybody has some valid points here but the fact is, it should not be this difficult to buy supplements. Legal Gear makes some good products. I like ASGT and think it is a good preworkout. But I have some problems with this also. Postal, by Legal Gear has hydrolyzed genus isolate and amino acids but they show 3 grams of protein. This throws some cold water on the hydrolyzed proteins/amino acids not true protein argument. So breaking down ASGT, you get the following: 16 gram serving, 7 of which are carbs. That leaves 9 grams. I would assume 3-5 grams of creatine/Beta Alanine. Add another gram or so for the other ingredients/fillers. That would leave no more than 5 grams of protein/amino acids. Split that and you have 2-3 grams of hydrolyzed protein and 2-3 grams of amino acids. Which by itself is total crap. But if you take 2-3 servings, then you start getting what you need. But that would bring down the total servings. All I want is for companies to give me an ACCURATE serving size, ACCURATE ingredients, and then let me decide for myself. So a label that is not misleading would show this.( or thereabouts) 15 servings: 15 grams hydrolyzed protein/amino acid mix :21 grams carbs . Selling for a little over tweny bucks, yes, I would buy it. But I don't like the labeling B.S., therefore I take NO Shotgun.(yes they are maybe over zealous on their protein count, not sure.) Anyway, don't treat me like a child and I will buy a good product from your company.
I have to address this because I am not sure what you are getting at regarding this only being 15 servings. Every scoop of this product is a viable serving. I never go over two and often only have 1-1.5 scoops or 1.5 servings. I am not trying to be a jerk here UncleBuck, but it is obvious this is not an Intra drink. So why would the protein content need to be any higher per scoop? As far as i know most people do not ever go to 3 scoops of this product. If they do and are not over 200 lbs and pretty muscular then they are using it to an excess and probably have some stim sensitivity issues.
Saying that because it has a low dose of protein/aminos it is not a full serving at one scoop is like saying that White Flood, or Jack3d or just about any other pre-workout product out there that doesn't contain protein do not actually have one serving in the entire container due to a lack of any protein in them. Seems ridiculous looking at it that way. You get an added benefit here and instead of enjoying it you complain it wasn't enough of an added bonus. It isn't like AS-GT costs much compared to other PreWorkouts, they didn't increase the price to give you extra goodies in there. They put just enough protein in there to give your muscle a little something to run on to avoid catabolism during a workout. Same with the carbs, they are not there to give you an insulin response, they are there to release prior to and during the workout giving the ATP system something to continuously replenish with during the workout. Large amounts of WMS tend to upset many peoples stomachs too. If you are just trying to have a good IV drip of carbs during your workout then they have got it covered.
They sell BC + EAA for intra workout amino supplementation so if you are are looking for that aspect of it then you would go with a product like that. You would not want to take the bulk of your aminos in with AS-GT an hour before workout. Would be wasting the load instead of taking it in when you need it 15 minute prior, and intra-workout. Nutrition timing is a big part of how they have the supplement line up planned.
As far as Postal goes, it once again is a low dose of carbs, however they are very dense carbs and cause a decent insulin spike on there own at lower doses. It is just enough carbs to do the trick and no more. I take 2 servings myself. I don't need more than that I run my diet relatively low carb and this is one of the few post workout recovery drinks I will take because it doe not go overboard with carbs. I am not sure why the proteins are listed differntly there either. Maybe some one else designed that label for it. Remember this is to drink IMMEDIATELY after your workout. You are still expected to go get your post workout meal / nutrition 30-45 minutes later. If you want extra carbs for a big insulin spike that is when you need to add those in. This is to get those initial building blocks into place as quickly as possible with the least amount of digestion required to get it in there fast.
Another thing we have to remember here is that we are a nation of excess. We have servings all over the place that none of us follow. Especially when it comes to food. So just because a guy sees another guy go up to 3 scoops doesn't mean he needed it but that he wanted to go up. We all tend to push the envelope on things. If something works well at this dose it must work twice as well if I double the dose. That doesn't mean the size of a serving changed because someone choses to have 2 or 3 servings. Some of this is weight dependent, some is different tolerance levels for stims and what not. However I can tell you 1 scoop does the trick for me and 1.5 is really good I have only gone to 2 scoops a few times when I was really dragging azz.
I came on with LG because I believe in their products and they have always been honest with me if I ask something of them. You have a question PM one of us your question and we will find out what is going on. Heck call the customer service line if you want to speak with someone. LG has always been pretty open with me if I contact a rep and ask them to find something out for me.