On cycle: What will help "bring me down" in the evenings. WIRED!

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    On cycle: What will help "bring me down" in the evenings. WIRED!


    Running a very mild cycle of 40 mg of var/day

    Usually go to bed at 10 pm or so; passout and sleep fine!

    Now: I'm staring at the ceiling WIRED until midnite then waking up exhausted.

    Only 14 days in. This began at day 7.

    Some info:
    --All stims taken in the morning as I work out at 7am
    --Var dosed: 20mg at 6 am and 20mg at 3pm
    --USP PowerFULL at night (have been for over a year -works great)
    --I tried: Theanine+Tryptophan - they are not helping. They make me relaxed but dont help me fall sleep
    --Im 40+
    --VERY experienced gear user but have been OFF for years (other than 150/week Cyp-TRT)


    Any advice?

    Is it my adrenals!?!? OR Cortisol!???


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    try moving 2nd dose of var to 1 pm. do a short cardio after dinner i find when im on cycle and take a day off i can not sleep its like i have to burn it off by working out then i sleep fine. you working out in the morning then getting joj all day has you pritty pumped at night.
    somnidren works good for me

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    Will certainly try it. Getting desperate

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    Valerian root calming blend - they taste like **** but put me to sleep quick.
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    Taurine pretty damn cheap too.

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    Are you consuming ANY caffeinated beverages within 5-6 hours of going to sleep? Even one diet coke 3 hrs before bed will make it difficult for me to fall asleep.

    Also, odd as it may sound, I find giving myself a foot massage for 5 minutes makes me relaxed and sleepy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregW View Post
    Are you consuming ANY caffeinated beverages within 5-6 hours of going to sleep? Even one diet coke 3 hrs before bed will make it difficult for me to fall asleep.

    Also, odd as it may sound, I find giving myself a foot massage for 5 minutes makes me relaxed and sleepy.
    Yeah you giving me a foot massage for 5 minutes sounds like a great way to get to bed, lol. Although i'd rather it be rosie or guesjn .
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    i heard ur feet were stinky. ;P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Running a very mild cycle of 40 mg of var/day

    Usually go to bed at 10 pm or so; passout and sleep fine!

    Now: I'm staring at the ceiling WIRED until midnite then waking up exhausted.

    Only 14 days in. This began at day 7.

    Some info:
    --All stims taken in the morning as I work out at 7am
    --Var dosed: 20mg at 6 am and 20mg at 3pm
    --USP PowerFULL at night (have been for over a year -works great)
    --I tried: Theanine+Tryptophan - they are not helping. They make me relaxed but dont help me fall sleep
    --Im 40+
    --VERY experienced gear user but have been OFF for years (other than 150/week Cyp-TRT)


    Any advice?

    Is it my adrenals!?!? OR Cortisol!???
    you have been on powerful for a year straight???

    as far as sleep goes somnidren!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wedlund6 View Post
    try moving 2nd dose of var to 1 pm. do a short cardio after dinner i find when im on cycle and take a day off i can not sleep its like i have to burn it off by working out then i sleep fine. you working out in the morning then getting joj all day has you pritty pumped at night.
    somnidren works good for me
    I don't believe it has to do with the dose timing.

    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyChemist View Post
    Valerian root calming blend - they taste like **** but put me to sleep quick.
    This works great for me as well. Valerian is cheap and effective. Also Melatonin for the duration of the cycle won't kill you 1-2mg 1hour prebed should do the trick. One nice thing about valerian is that you can use it during the day too.

    If the var is legit i doubt it's what is keeping you up.in my opinion I'd try an anti-cortisol product and see if anything changes.

    Being a "very experienced" gear user have you ever had this problem with var before? How long have you been on TRT?

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    Yes sir

    Instead of getting on HGH for life, I decided to go the natty route. Im over 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    you have been on powerful for a year straight???

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    You bring up a dammm good point.

    As much as I assumed my stuff is 100%legit; I've never experienced this before fromn Var. I just attributed it to getting OLD (lol) and not being able to handle/mitigate some of the effects of gear ther same way.

    Quote Originally Posted by monstermash View Post

    Being a "very experienced" gear user have you ever had this problem with var before? How long have you been on TRT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregW View Post
    i heard ur feet were stinky. ;P
    tis true.



    OP - I actually don't smoke much marijuana but when i do i sleep pretty great.
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    Would relora help?

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    1 gram valarian root, or 500mg l-theanine.. both work wonders for me.

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    Melatonin. Helps me when I can't sleep. Figuring out your effective dosage and timing might be crucial though. I take 1.5 mg (half of a 3 mg pill) 2 to 3 times a week sometimes. You aren't supposed to take it every night from what I know.

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    Xanax or Temazepam

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Would relora help?
    It tends to keep me awake but it may have a different effect on you. Imo, bacopa would be a better choice in terms of adaptogens.

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