best nutrient re-partitioner
- 01-12-2010, 08:04 AM
- 01-12-2010, 05:24 PM
There's loads,, , " " (allegedly)
Whether they are better or not ...
had some criticism. AP never heard anything either way - running it now. Yellow Gold is the cheapest. I've got some but not run it.
01-12-2010, 06:02 PM
01-12-2010, 06:21 PM
01-12-2010, 06:57 PM
01-13-2010, 03:51 AM
01-13-2010, 04:21 AM
I have tried nutrient re-partitioner about since the time I started body building. Some people like to take these 45 minutes before I have found out with my body 15 minutes or with them is best.
Vanayl sufate (2002)(spelling) I always got the sh*ts when i upped the dose. their were guys I know doing 150 mgs a day. I tried it and every time I tried it same thing happened. Try it and see if it works for you because I knew many guys who took it and were fine. For some reason at time time my body was intolerant to it.
N-R-Ala (2004)i used to buy this for 25 $ for 200 mg , 90 capsules months supply because it was the r quality source(not the cheap version of ala) and it worked like a charm for myself.. This worked very well for me. In fact I did not expect it to work as good as it did.
Yellow Gold (2007) I used this with at least 60 carbs usually. Some people could get away with dosing it 45 before.My body worked best at about 20 minutes before carb meals. Moving on, a person must learn what works for their body. every body is different and while some people can dose 45 minutes before a meal , I tried it and it made me feel like low insulin levels/fainty feeling. not a fun feeling if I did not get my carbs in
Pslin(2007)- Seemed to make me hungrier and more potent than yellow gold.
Glycobol(2009)-has na-r-ala the superior ala form. and a whole host of other stuff related to insulin mimickers including Trigonella Seed Isolate (standardized to 10% 4-hydroxyisoleucine),Phellodendr on Extract (Standardized to 90% Berberine),Cinnamon Bark 20:1 extract (standardized for 16% flavonoids), BMOV (Bis-Malto-Oxovanadium) I used this on surplus calorie diet and my muscles looked fuller, better pumps, less insulin crash from the surplus calories and better muscle gains and an overall clear headed feeling I get from any n-r-ala.
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01-13-2010, 04:22 AM
01-13-2010, 11:20 AM
i will admit, glycobol made me look/feel fuller. unlike AP or yellow gold... i really dont think yellow gold did anything and AP didnt seem to do much. but pslin did help a little with endurance during workouts
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01-13-2010, 02:35 PM
This a useful thread. How do you think nutrient partitioning works? Do you think its promoting glycogen storaging in muscles at the expense of laying down fat?
Glycobol does look interesting. This thread appears to rate it over Anabolic Pump
01-13-2010, 02:52 PM
if u had to pick just one single ingredient for increasing insulin sensitivity/ nutrient repartitioning. Or is that kinda two different angle?
01-13-2010, 03:18 PM
Anabolic pump worked the best for me so far. 20 minutes before my meals with 30-40 grams of complex carbs (usually oats or sweet potatoes).
I've used others but didn't get the same effect.
Never tried YG.
Haven't touched my 6 boxes of P-Slin yet.
01-13-2010, 03:24 PM
i gained 5 lbs on ap and most was fat-can't explain it, just didn't work for me???
01-13-2010, 03:40 PM
01-13-2010, 03:50 PM
01-13-2010, 05:17 PM
01-13-2010, 05:28 PM
I like anabolic pump, PSlin seems to work better for me tho. I have yet to try glycobol so if anyone has a bottle they would like to trade, I've got 1 unopened bottle of AP and a couple 3/4 full bottles. PM me
01-13-2010, 06:44 PM
Ive always been a fan of Banaba (whats in neovar, pslin). However I also like bitter melon extract, aka Momordica- there is a lot of science behind this fruit to help repartition nutrients favorably. Also primarily used in southeast asia as a naturopathic treatment for diabetes. This is one of my favorites, i think LGs I-GH-1 has it, or you can buy it separately.. I agree with Smeton- narala is also a surprisingly excellent choice. I also would like to chime in regarding BPOV, BMOV, and Vanadyl Sulphate being effective. Vanadyl compounds have shown great promise in nutrient repartitioning as well as anti-diabetics, however a major concern for people was vanadyl toxicity.
01-13-2010, 08:43 PM
By the way on the yellow gold I did two different dosing protocols
I tried one and two capsules. I think it was the two capsules that caused the dainty/dizzy/low insulin feeling if I remember correctly so i lowered it back to one capsule. Id recommend playing with dosing to find your sweet spot. I was 220 at the time and concluded for me one capsule 3 x's daily was enough but if taking in a massive carb meal two capsules can work well.
Im surprised I remember this information as it has been three years since I done yellow gold
I took the yellow gold with at least 3 meals(as I was taking in high carbohydrates at the time)
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01-13-2010, 08:56 PM
Thank you. I'm about to run Yellow Gold in a month or so this is welcome advise.
Nutra gives very little info on YG at all - they really need to improve there web info. They only say "it might not taste good". Huh I am educated.
Also hitting the "sweet spot" is excellent advise and I doubt I've got the most out of AP.
01-13-2010, 08:57 PM
01-14-2010, 10:17 AM
I want to add to my earlier post regarding Vanadyl- although an potent insulin mimetic, it is anti-lipolytic.....so it may not be desirable on a recomp.
Antilipolytic Actions of Vanadate and Insulin in Rat Adipocytes Mediated by Distinctly Different Mechanisms
01-14-2010, 10:52 AM
I liked glycobol because, whilst I did gain fat, it was far less than I would have gained without it. I was eating a lot of carbs, including non-complex, and over a month I gained 7 lbs of and only out on 2 to 3 lbs of fat. If I followed a decent diet I probably wouldn't have put on any fat.
Doesn't apple cider vinger interfere with the break of carbs. I'm sure I've read an article which says it inhibits one of enzymes involved in carbohydrate metabolism. So its not really re-partitioner in that sense.
01-14-2010, 11:03 AM
gynmemma sylvestre interferes with the absorption of sugars in the intestinal tract. The polyphenols in b lack tea and white kidney bean extract act as alpha-amylase inhibitors that prevent the break down of carbs...
01-14-2010, 12:16 PM
01-14-2010, 12:57 PM
01-14-2010, 01:02 PM
AP and Pslin for me, hands down...........
talking about the vanadyl sulfate brought back memories of hi-dosing that stuff back in the early part of this decade. made me feel like crap!
01-14-2010, 01:19 PM
01-14-2010, 02:10 PM
01-14-2010, 02:21 PM
a small sampling:
[sigh]Dr. Alavattam Sreedhara, a professor at Ohio State University, has been studying vanadyl sulfate for many years. He and his partners have found that long-term use or the use of vanadium in large doses kills beta cells, damages DNA, blocks the synthesis of protein and other nutrients, and increases the risk of cardiovascular disease. Even taking trace amounts of the mineral causes stomach upset and a green tongue, both of which are symptoms of a toxic substance in the body. In addition, vanadyl sulfate builds up rapidly in the bones and kidneys, and no studies as to the long-term toxic effect of this have been done.
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