Always enjoyed Sustain Alpha, without exception. I certainly like the idea of oral Sustain Alpha, though. Clearly more convenient for me, in terms of dosing/application, apart from the potential to be more potent than the transdermal version. Looking forward to this.
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It's benzOflavone, and it's cheap. $40 for this is a bad-joke.
Last edited by riskarb; 10-24-2009 at 08:04 PM.
do you need to cycle off of this (other than the 5 on 2 off) for a few weeks or is this something that can be run for long periods at a time
You are right about the tween, HPMC and PEG... we actually utilize variants of those compounds in our Liqua-Vade formula to enhance delivery, and Ive explained the mechanism in this thread here -
The Future of Nutrient Delivery - Liqua-Vade
And more indepth in this interview here
And you can see how the delivery system works based off the visual schematic here - http://www.primordialperformance.com...iqua-vade.html
BTW, the study that examined oral resveratrol absorption in humans (Walle et al, 2004) disolved the oral dose of resveratrol into ethanol, DMSO and glucose water. Its not exactly fair to say that the same absorption would be achieved with a compressed tablet or capsule of resveratrol. (remember, nutrients need to be molecularly dispersed to absorb through epithelial membranes)
Plus, 7,8-benzoflavone (being more lipophilic than resveratrol) is going to have a harder time dissolving and absorbing through the GI. Liqua-Vade probably shows the most benefit with this ingredient compared to a capsule or tablet.
You're competing with quality micronized product at ~$3.30 per gram (micronized resv + carrier). Feel free to charge what the market will bear, but elasticity of demand aside, this product is extremely overpriced. You cannot compete with a micronized product on bioavailability.
Interesting debate but what about the 7,8 benzoflavone? Seems like you're forgetting that to focus on resveratrol.
You cant make Liqua-Vade with just Tween, HPMC and PEG. You might get better absorption than a tablet with a concoction like this, but it will taste like complete ass, and it wont be optimized.
Remember, the buccal cavity can only absorb so much powder. Liqua-Vade is absorbing through the buccal, eso****us and GI walls very efficiently.
Your product is at a disadvantage to micronized (and 3x the cost) in buccal-delivery, and limited MOA to avoid conjugation on the first-pass. You have no data to show that this stuff is better than HPMC, Tween and/or PEG; and you're using a small amount of HPMC in the mix. Why didn't Sirtis use it if it's so fantastic? You're telling me that a $2B pharma doesn't have access to a product utilized by a couple of guys working out of their home office?
300mg of micronized resveratrol + HPMC or miralax and you've got a better product at the same price.
Done here, I've had my say. Hey, if people want to flush $50 on this or a $30 bottle of green tea extract, more power to them. Who doesn't want enhanced blood-flow to the penis for harder erections!
It's a free country.
Last edited by riskarb; 10-26-2009 at 02:18 PM.
Dude, its fine to disagree but you're just a whiny bitch about this. Being made of money doesn't give you status or class.
primordial performance is a highly reputable company i trust this to be a great product. shouldnt knock it before you try it.
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I'll admit that it's probably a decent product and w/o a doubt will be more palatable than my micronized + HPMC + Miralax combo. I think PP should contact revgenetics.com and source some micronized powder. Micronized produces a much greater AUC for buccal-delivery. As an end-user I buy from revgenetics, but I have no affiliation with the company. PP could charge $50 and still clear a >50% margin. It's a substantial value-add to offer a product which is palatable.
I'll stop bitching, and perhaps you can buy some men's clothes.
Last edited by riskarb; 10-26-2009 at 08:34 PM.