Greetings everyone, first time poster here.
I used SX-- albeit not as much as some posters here who consumed a few bottles --and I liked it. The product did everything it advertised, and then some. I also experienced some of the side effects-- the headaches, teeth clenching, and mild insomnia. Having used stimulants before, and experienced similar side effects, I wasn't overly concerned-- I'm sure many of you share the sentiment.
My problem is this, an investigation has linked the so-called 'mystery stimulant' to an analog that is, POTENTIALLY, illegal and CAN lead to heart toxicity. If these allegations are true, I can understand why AX would not disclose it, EXPLICITLY (PROLINE ANALOG?), might as well include the phone number to the DEA and FDA. But, when you are pushing a product with SERIOUS risks and fail to make the consumer aware of such risks, we are entering a serious grey area.
I'm all for supplements working, who isn't? But let ME weigh at what cost I want to achieve my intended results! So, to say that we complain when a product works as a result of being spiked is wrong because the product delivered the effects we wanted is extremely problematic. Even more problematic because the product is, presumably, used to improve one's health-- that is, lose weight --but it is doing just the opposite to a vital organ.
Cigarettes are great hunger suppressants; thus, great weight lose aids-- but we all know they can cause cancer and as a result, we decide whether or not we choose to incorporate them in our diet. We can weigh the effect and results with the risk.
I was losing weight, felt great. Mania is when you feel so high everything seems great. How would someone think that was bad if they were never manic before? There was no way for my wife to recognize I was going manic because I just kept telling people how high I felt all the time and everything seemed great.
It was when I stopped taking it that I had major withdrawal. Amphetamine Psychosis as the doctors called it. So I took it, felt fine but was actually going manic and actual would have needed professional help to needed ween me off this gradually to prevent me from going into psychosis.
You need to understand I got blindsided by this. Let's not be stupid, if I didn't like what something was doing of course I would quit. That's the danger of this supplement - it's when I quit that the real hell started.
When I was in the emergency room they pulled the product up on the internet so they could read the ingredients. Don't you think it's a bit irresponsible that they couldn't really diagnose what was going on because the ingredient was listed as Amino-Slim 4 and not what it really was? That's why they had to keep me under observation for so long. I was in the E.R. for 12 hours.
You know what I am saying man. Weed, speed, etc something that isnt outright insane.
PCP is Fed up stuff, and LSD seems like a pointless drug. There are many uses for strict-9 though, just not for self/personal.
I read your story a while ago. In fact, I remember coming across your exchange with the AX while I dug up some of the bad side effects that I should expect while on SX. What happened to you is unfortunate, I sympathize.
But the angle that your taking against AX for what happened to you is not going to hold up in court. I can guarantee that. The product disclaimer will be the primary exhibit used against you. Granted, I am assuming that the product you bought has the same disclaimer as the product I bought. I am aware of the suggested dosage change that took place but that can be easily attributed to the tolerance clause. The disclaimer asks that you consult your physician-- in your case, your medical history pretty much warranted that visit. Also, if I am not mistaken, you took a other stimulants, something the product (at least the version I have) warns against.
If anything, you and everyone else stands a chance against AX if it can be proven that they KNOWINGLY included a controlled substance that can lead to potential undisclosed risks. Sorry bud, but its the truth. Lawyers are filthy mofos and a multi million dollar corp is not going to call some advertised on TV dude, these guys protect their ass with Big Law Firms with unlimited resources. If they smell an easy case, they will jump on it without considering settling outside of court. These guys get retainers based on their reputation and that comes with winning cases not with settling outside of court when the case can be so easily destroyed.
I have sifted through hundreds of posts and links tried to interpret chemical structures and read countless speculations. I am still extremely confused.
Can someone do me a favor and fill in the blank here...
had _________ in it, and we were not aware when we took it.
Serotonin Syndrome or Neuroleptic Malignant Syndrome (NMS)-like Reactions
The development of a potentially life-threatening serotonin syndrome or neuroleptic malignant syndrome (NMS)-like reactions have been reported with SNRIs and SSRIs alone, including PROZAC treatment, but particularly with concomitant use of serotonergic drugs (including triptans) with drugs which impair metabolism of serotonin (including MAOIs), or with antipsychotics or other dopamine antagonists. Serotonin syndrome symptoms may include mental status changes (e.g., agitation, hallucinations, coma), autonomic instability (e.g., tachycardia, labile blood pressure, hyperthermia), neuromuscular aberrations (e.g., hyperreflexia, incoordination) and/or gastrointestinal symptoms (e.g., nausea, vomiting, diarrhea). Serotonin syndrome, in its most severe form can resemble neuroleptic malignant syndrome, which includes hyperthermia, muscle rigidity, autonomic instability with possible rapid fluctuation of vital signs, and mental status changes. Patients should be monitored for the emergence of serotonin syndrome or NMS-like signs and symptoms.
The concomitant use of PROZAC with MAOIs intended to treat depression is contraindicated [see CONTRAINDICATIONS and DRUG INTERACTIONS].
If concomitant treatment of PROZAC with a 5-hydroxytryptamine receptor agonist (triptan) is clinically warranted, careful observation of the patient is advised, particularly during treatment initiation and dose increases [see DRUG INTERACTIONS].
The concomitant use of PROZAC with serotonin precursors (such as tryptophan) is not recommended [see DRUG INTERACTIONS].
Treatment with PROZAC and any concomitant serotonergic or antidopaminergic agents, including antipsychotics, should be discontinued immediately if the above reactions occur, and supportive symptomatic treatment should be initiated.
Wow, just got my first bottle of this in the mail a week ago. Lucky me. Any chance for a credit from NP?
I'm not a rocket scientist but it seems like that's a particularly bad combo.Then understand that as much good as SX does for your body, it’s equally important – maybe more so – what SX does for your mind. SX makes you feel great. We don’t mean physically – although of course it does that too – we mean emotionally, mentally and psychologically. It’s like a huge dose of "feelgood." You’ll simply be in a great mood all day long.
I wasn't taking other stimulants unless you are going to call decaffeinated green tea a stimulant.
I have to say your assessment on how lawyers work isn't very accurate. I've won a contingency suit settled out of court against a major real estate corporation that had huge big shot lawyers. In fact the lawyers cost so much it can be much cheaper to just settle it up if the amount sought is low rather than take the risk of going to trial. And yes good lawyers settle out of court all the time because in many cases they give their client the choice and sometimes their client just wants to take a smaller amount of money and get it over with. The risk of going to trial goes on both sides no matter who thinks they have the better case.
Again, it's not about the money. It's about labeling this product appropriately and putting accurate warnings on it so that it can't happen to anyone else. It already happened to me, I can't change the past. But maybe I can help someone else's future.
And any good lawyer would tell you to clam up because stating you are doing it to "stick it to them" isn't the wisest of statements...by a long shot. And any good lawyer probably already has taken the screenshots by now. I would suggest you take your legal concerns to your lawyer and not in public.
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If the mystery substance is in fact just some safe amino acids then so be it. I was never planning on doing anything. If it comes back as a harmful substance then there are probably 1000 people that will want to join a class action lawsuit so why would I want to do it myself?