Originally Posted by ottonis

CheathamHill,

i don't think that the racetam in the original formula did anything. assuming that there were 50 mg aniracetam, this amount would perhaps be good enough to make a fruitfly "jacked", but humans would need to take a 10x - 20x fold higher dose in order to get a noticable effect. that's a t least the official recommendation from the pharmaceutical company that makes aniracetam.

Moreover, while you could certainly be spot on with your assumption that the formula steadily changed in order to escape identification of the "wonder-drug", there are two things that speak against it:

1. stimulatory experience may change after repeated use of a stimulant. I guess that people who take cocaine for the first time in their life will have a very different experience than after their 500th dose?

2. The company itself (Anabolic Xtreme) recently incorporated a name of a designer substance ("Phenyl-Pyrrolidinyltoluene") in their newest product label incarnation that appears to be structurally extremely close to (if not the same as) the designer drug that was uncovered at different forums (Diphenylmethylpyrrolidine).

IMO, the "best case" scenario for AX is that "Phenyl-Pyrrolidinyltoluene" is structurally different than the other mentioned designer drugs, that it would not fall under the gov. analog act and that it would also be DSHEA compliant, as their chief marketing officer repeatedly claimed that this substance naturally occurs in carrots and tobacco plants.

I see following possible ways how things may have evolved:

- AX only "believed" (in a delusional meaning of the word) that they had their hands on the holy grail of stimulants that was novel + legal, but in reality they got fooled and tricked by their raw material supplier or their formulator. They realized that they got fooled after GC/MS data got published around the internet showing almost complete match between the mass spectra of the substance in SX and the designer drug.

-AX knew from the beginning what they are doing and deliberately decided to "spike" the product with a designer stimulant that works better than ritalin. now they got caught with their pants down and spontaneously decided to start a sailing tour with madonna, bono and matt dylon, somewhere in the bermudas.

- AX was right all the way, and the mass spectra were faked or wrongly interpreted. There is no designer drug in SX but a natural substance that was distilled from carrots, and AX has a patent pending on this. Personally I WISH that this last optine were true. But it is almost impossible to believe in this option, since AX decided to stop production of SX after the mass spectra got around the interwebz. Stopping production sounds much like "s hit, I got caught, let's stop production, so FDA won't get on us".

They haven't stopped production yet tho, the local supplement store STILL gets shipments. I know this because my friend works for them. Maybe they stopped "making" the products but they are still distributing what they have left?

Originally Posted by Cellardude

They haven't stopped production yet tho, the local supplement store STILL gets shipments. I know this because my friend works for them.

If production has not resumed by the time the stock runs out, they will not be able to get any more.

Originally Posted by Cellardude

They haven't stopped production yet tho, the local supplement store STILL gets shipments. I know this because my friend works for them.

wow, this contradicts very much to what they claim on their website:

there, they say:

Originally Posted by anabolicx.com

"Anabolic Xtreme (Nutrition Distribution) continually seeks new ways to improve our products and better serve our customers. While we are confident in the formulations, safety and efficacy of our products, in order to promptly address recent consumer concerns about our Slim Xtreme product, we have elected to cease manufacturing of the current Slim Xtreme formula while we attempt to determine if there is any validity to the concerns that have been expressed. We will research the concerns being alleged and will concurrently examine ways to improve our formula to create an even more effective product. We appreciate your patience during this transitional period while we get clarity on this matter. Thank you for your continued support and confidence in our brand"

Well production and stock on hand are two different animals... they could have easily stopped production but if they continue to sell off what they have then it makes no sense. If companies are still selling this I wonder if they have been notified.

They are probably running rampant to reformulate it and say that it was never tainted. Pure speculation on my behalf.
Nutra placed several sample packs in my recent order(s); I am not going to use them unless I am planning on killing of some rodents.

Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

Well production and stock on hand are two different animals... they could have easily stopped production but if they continue to sell off what they have then it makes no sense. If companies are still selling this I wonder if they have been notified.

i get the feeling the fda isn't notifying anyone about slimx. retailers included.

Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

Well production and stock on hand are two different animals... they could have easily stopped production but if they continue to sell off what they have then it makes no sense. If companies are still selling this I wonder if they have been notified.

Production for a fact, has stopped. As for how much stock and why or if it's still going out, I can't say for sure. I may have overstepped on that last post.

If they stopped production, they should also stop distribution.

Originally Posted by strategicmove

If they stopped production, they should also stop distribution.

Agreed. Kind of useless to take down the drug czar if his product is still going to flow to the masses.

Just some shotty practices trying to recoup what was invested at possibly the expense of the unknowings health.

Originally Posted by strategicmove

If they stopped production, they should also stop distribution.

were they told to stop production, or did they do it on their own?

Originally Posted by thebigt

were they told to stop production, or did they do it on their own?

Really doesnt matter if the "Speculation" is even being considered.

Originally Posted by thebigt

were they told to stop production, or did they do it on their own?

On their own.

Originally Posted by DAdams91982

Really doesnt matter if the "Speculation" is even being considered.

it matters to me, lol. the point i am making is the fda didn't even tell them to stop making it.

Originally Posted by jim623

On their own.

thanks jim, i kinda figured that.

I just checked with admin. There wasn't much stock to begin with since it was selling so fast, and since production has stopped, distribution has also stopped.

Originally Posted by thebigt

it matters to me, lol. the point i am making is the fda didn't even tell them to stop making it.

Does it give you the warm and fuzzy if they ceased producing designer speed on their own? Or just the fact that they ceased before someone caught them?

Originally Posted by DAdams91982

Does it give you the warm and fuzzy if they ceased producing designer speed on their own? Or just the fact that they ceased before someone caught them?

what really gives me the warm and fuzzy's is that a government agency that is allegedly looking out for me,that my tax dollars pays for, has not come forward. and has left us drifting at sea with nothing more than 'speculation'.

Originally Posted by thebigt

what really gives me the warm and fuzzy's is that a government agency that is allegedly looking out for me,that my tax dollars pays for, has not come forward. and has left us drifting at sea with nothing more than 'speculation'.

Understandable, but do you know how much red tape the FDA has to go through before they attack a private sector entity? Lets take PPlex for example, banned June of 2008, yet, you can still buy it anywhere and everywhere. Believe it or not, the private sector has more power to keep their supps than the FDA does to take them away.

Originally Posted by Cellardude

They haven't stopped production yet tho, the local supplement store STILL gets shipments. I know this because my friend works for them. Maybe they stopped "making" the products but they are still distributing what they have left?

Europa and Co. still would have ****tons I'd assume.

Originally Posted by DAdams91982

Understandable, but do you know how much red tape the FDA has to go through before they attack a private sector entity? Lets take PPlex for example, banned June of 2008, yet, you can still buy it anywhere and everywhere. Believe it or not, the private sector has more power to keep their supps than the FDA does to take them away.

i respect you too much to argue, but i still can't see why red tape would be any excuse for not at least releasing a public warning. WARNING: USE OF THIS PRODUCT MAY CAUSE SERIOUS HEATH RISKS. there, see how simple this is.

Originally Posted by jim623

On their own.

If AX stopped production on their own, "willingly"

Why is it that they are still distributing what they have. A shipment came in this past sunday to the extent of my knowledge. I'm sure another shipment has been sent tho. I can easily ask my buddy.

Originally Posted by thebigt

i respect you too much to argue, but i still can't see why red tape would be any excuse for not at least releasing a public warning. WARNING: USE OF THIS PRODUCT MAY CAUSE SERIOUS HEATH RISKS. there, see how simple this is.

Trust me T.. I understand your frustration, the problem with that is the beaucracy. If the FDA put out a warning like that before all information was founded, and then turned out to be wrong. The FDA just essentially killed a private sector company without the references to back them up. The problem with government, is they are slow moving.. on EVERYTHING.

Originally Posted by Cellardude

If AX stopped production on their own, "willingly"

Why is it that they are still distributing what they have. A shipment came in this past sunday to the extent of my knowledge. I'm sure another shipment has been sent tho. I can easily ask my buddy.

I don't think they're getting it from AX. More than likely, it's coming from another distributer that still had some. It wasn't a recall, just a production halt.

Originally Posted by DAdams91982

Trust me T.. I understand your frustration, the problem with that is the beaucracy. If the FDA put out a warning like that before all information was founded, and then turned out to be wrong. The FDA just essentially killed a private sector company without the references to back them up. The problem with government, is they are slow moving.. on EVERYTHING.

i know, i just can't help with thinking if this were a more mainstream product like something sold at wal mart, that they would be all over it. i may be some clunk-head bodybuilder, but this doesn't stop them from deducting taxes from my paycheck.

Originally Posted by thebigt

i know, i just can't help with thinking if this were a more mainstream product like something sold at wal mart, that they would be all over it. i may be some clunk-head bodybuilder, but this doesn't stop them from deducting taxes from my paycheck.

Naturally I agree with you T. I hate the FDA period... I would like to see a private sector giving the good health stamp of approval instead of the government, but without the power to ban, only warn.

Originally Posted by DAdams91982

Naturally I agree with you T. I hate the FDA period... I would like to see a private sector giving the good health stamp of approval instead of the government, but without the power to ban, only warn.

i thought that is what the fda was, a kind of watchdog, isn't the dea the enforcement arm? see this is where i get confused.

Originally Posted by thebigt

i thought that is what the fda was, a kind of watchdog, isn't the dea the enforcement arm? see this is where i get confused.

FDA governs the supp industry, you are correct. Until something is official banned, it is still in the purview of the FDA. When something becomes banned, then the DEA takes over.

Like I said, a bunch of bureaucracies I do not agree with, but we must all live with. If the FDA was doing their job correctly we would have actually never seen many of the DSHEA incompliant supps we see today. I would like a private entity testing supps, watch dogging labeling, and warning consumers. Nothing more, nothing less. Take what you damn well please, just know the risks.

Originally Posted by DAdams91982

FDA governs the supp industry, you are correct. Until something is official banned, it is still in the purview of the FDA. When something becomes banned, then the DEA takes over.

Like I said, a bunch of bureaucracies I do not agree with, but we must all live with. If the FDA was doing their job correctly we would have actually never seen many of the DSHEA incompliant supps we see today. I would like a private entity testing supps, watch dogging labeling, and warning consumers. Nothing more, nothing less. Take what you damn well please, just know the risks.

hell yeah, and with 2.5 billion dollars spent on sports supps no earthly reason this couldn't be done. i would also like to see an end to proprietary blends, the rest of the supplement world survives just fine without them. the beginning of prop blends spelled the end, imo.

Originally Posted by DAdams91982

I would like a private entity testing supps, watch dogging labeling, and warning consumers. Nothing more, nothing less. Take what you damn well please, just know the risks.

Agree 100%. Unfortunately due to special interests and their (not so) hidden agendas, the FDA will always push to exceed its authority. This is bigger than the FDA throwing its weight around; it's symptomatic of the consistent erosion of liberty in this country....sorry if I got off track; I get fired up about this stuff.

Originally Posted by supersize77

Agree 100%. Unfortunately due to special interests and their (not so) hidden agendas, the FDA will always push to exceed its authority. This is bigger than the FDA throwing its weight around; it's symptomatic of the consistent erosion of liberty in this country....sorry if I got off track; I get fired up about this stuff.

AMEN, brother. you are preaching to the choir. our country and way of life is the best on the planet, we need to find a way to stop these morons from descending us into a third world country.