[GreenSquats]

Originally Posted by Universal Rep

Why one or the other? Why not both? Every oil has unique benefits and set of properties, including those that provide n-3s. So why limit yourself?

Hmmmm.... Some people say to only take fish, some cod, some flax, some both.
I'm starting to think that it doesn't really matter which way I go as all are beneficial....

[Universal Rep]

Originally Posted by dblakester

Hmmmm.... Some people say to only take fish, some cod, some flax, some both.
I'm starting to think that it doesn't really matter which way I go as all are beneficial....

All are beneficial from an EFA point of view, that's true. Taking the EFAs is the real key. That said, each oil has unique properties. The goal, in my opinion, is to layer them to extract max benefits. You take EFAs, D?

[GreenSquats]

From the pak, but currently not things like fish oil or flax. That's why I'm asking this question.

[Universal Rep]

Originally Posted by dblakester

From the pak, but currently not things like fish oil or flax. That's why I'm asking this question.

If you're interested, I'll have Corporate send ya a can of Animal Omega. PM the details.

[abuleh]

Just wanna add this with regards to phytoestrogen in flax oil.

Sorry for just doing copy and paste but I found that on 3 different pages on the internet while I was searchin isoflavone after a prostate inflammation I had.
I thought you might be interested in this:
1.
"Estrogen-boosting or estrogen-blocking? Though theories about what they do are speculative, isoflavones have potentially contradictory effects. They can act both as estrogens and as anti-estrogens. One theory is that in premenopausal women, who have high hormone levels, phytoestrogens may act as anti-estrogens—that is, block some effects of estrogen—and thus protect against breast cancer (now thought to be promoted by high lifetime estrogen exposure). But after menopause, when estrogen levels are lower, phytoestrogens may act like estrogens, thus relieving hot flashes and other symptoms. It's unknown how potent these phytoestrogens are—far less potent than regular estrogen, certainly."

2.
"Although phytoestrogens can also bind to estrogen receptors, their estrogenic activity is much weaker than endogenous estrogens, and they may actually block or antagonize the effects of estrogen in some tissues (8). Scientists are interested in the tissue-selective activities of phytoestrogens because anti-estrogenic effects in reproductive tissue could help reduce the risk of hormone-associated cancers (breast, uterine, ovarian and prostate), while estrogenic effects in bone could help maintain bone density. The mammalian lignans, enterodiol and enterolactone, are known to have weak estrogenic activity."

4.
"The fear of soy protein and phytoestrogens is absurd," says reigning USA champ Tom Prince."You need the proper receptor sites, and a significant amount of them, to produce estrogen in the body through ingestion of phytoestrogens."
Men have fewer estrogen receptors than do women. Additionally, there is a technique for manipulating these sites in men so that genuine estrogen is minimized: Shippen suggests that high levels of phytoestrogens compete with the female hormone for receptor sites, block its actions -- which can include some inhibition of pituitary functions -- and stimulate the P450 system in the liver to more actively process and excrete excess estrogen.
Susan Kleiner, Ph.D, RD, author of Power Eating, notes that phytoestrogens tend to overwhelm estrogen in competing at the receptor site level. "That's why we use phytoestrogens for both men and women who have hormonal-involved cancer," such as prostate or breast cancer. So, the process is absolutely clear: If you want to block estrogen, take moderate amounts of isoflavones.Soy protein is a great source of isoflavones, providing that you can find a soy protein that has the isoflavones in it. "Isoflavones can be found in soy protein, but not always, " advises Kleiner. "High heat or chemical processing can damage and deplete phytoestrogens and isoflavones. Some soy protein powders I had analyzed had no isoflavones whatsoever, even though the label touted their benefits. ."

~abuleh

[Universal Rep]

It's with many things... I've been on various forums for years and I always see people who get fixated on a single bit of info--at the expense of the larger picture. Like glycemic index and people swearing off certain carbs because of this, and not taking into account other factors (like "glycemic load") for example.

[The Graduate]

Originally Posted by Universal Rep

The name of the game isn't just about EPA and DHA... You want well-rounded coverage.

From my point of view its not. I take fish oil for its EPA and DHA content. CLO contains nothing of great interest to me that isnt already available in a healthy diet.

I can see how CLO can be used in ADDITION but i would never use it alone as my source of EFAs.

[Universal Rep]

Originally Posted by The Graduate

From my point of view its not. I take fish oil for its EPA and DHA content. CLO contains nothing of great interest to me that isnt already available in a healthy diet.

I can see how CLO can be used in ADDITION but i would never use it alone as my source of EFAs.

Agreed. By no means was I suggesting CLO is the only source of EFAs. In fact, I was arguing for the opposite--a balanced and a comprehensive approach. That said, CLO is a very rich source of elongated n-3 FAs, including EPA and DHA, along with preformed vit A and also vit D. CLO also addresses many of the issues associated with Syndrome X. But getting back to your point, if all you care about is EPA/DHA, then yeah, fish oils are a good bet. That said, again, there's more to EFAs than just these two.

[naturalguy]

Originally Posted by Universal Rep

Why one or the other? Why not both? Every oil has unique benefits and set of properties, including those that provide n-3s. So why limit yourself?

Agreed. People often take a shotgun approach to efa supplementation picking only one source. Balanced, multi-source, full spectrum efa supplementation is the best way to go in my opinion.

[SokVichet]

Originally Posted by DreamWeaver

I take both but because of Phyto estrogen I take less flax than fish oil.

Same here. Fish oil is a lifetime supplement. Slight tangent: I'm also trying Sesamin 1.25ml x2 per day along with my fish and flaxseed oil. I haven't found any indication I shouldn't take them together, but thought I'd ask while the topic is on fats.

[DreamWeaver]

Originally Posted by SokVichet

Same here. Fish oil is a lifetime supplement. Slight tangent: I'm also trying Sesamin 1.25ml x2 per day along with my fish and flaxseed oil. I haven't found any indication I shouldn't take them together, but thought I'd ask while the topic is on fats.

Yes I am going to reinstate sesamin and maybe some bulk CLA with my next nutraplanet order.

[Big BAMA]

I take both, I use EFA Gold by Beverly International. It is a mix of the two.

[Universal Rep]

Originally Posted by SokVichet

Same here. Fish oil is a lifetime supplement. Slight tangent: I'm also trying Sesamin 1.25ml x2 per day along with my fish and flaxseed oil. I haven't found any indication I shouldn't take them together, but thought I'd ask while the topic is on fats.

Animal Omega includes sesamin, flaxseed and fish oils, CLA, among others. You should be fine.

[Ares]

Stay away from Flax unless you want man boobies; in addition, your body has to convert flax to Omega-3.

Fish oil is the way to go.