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    Volcom's; Southern California experiences White Flooding


    I've decided to give White Flood by controlled labs, a solo run. (Originally inspired by a ridiculously vascular, Texan Viking here at AM.)

    I'm an infamous "stacker" of supplements and cycles, never running a supplement in an exclusive manner. This is normally because I run supplement logs with a set of objectives at the end of the tunnel to which I hope to achieve (more muscle and/or less fat) and my experiments with supplements haven't ever been for the sake of experimentation and scrutiny, but experiencing the journey of stacks of cross cultural breeding (multiple supplements from various companies) with a set purpose of attaining a certain physiological morph when its all done. However, this time, the point of my supplementation is not intentionally for the sake of losing weight or gaining muscle, but merely scrutinizing the supplement from a performance enhancement point of view.

    I have been a skeptic of NO supplements for years. White Flood boasts of their classical Arginine and Ornithine synergy and the Russian myth, Inosine. Those are the only two ingredients I've had personal false experiences with, however, I'm willing to give the White Flood matrix a try. Perhaps their full spectrum of combined ingredients will make me a believer.

    If I get stronger, great, if I lose weight due to it's boasting of excess energy, even better, but my primary focus is White Flood's direct effect to performance enhancement during a workout.

    I'll be sipping on White Flood pre and the bulk of it during my workouts.

    P.S. I'm a strength & conditioning specialist and I'm training my friend and workout partner Zack, who'll be flying out to Colorado for a fight at the end of July, and will be filmed for a new Mtv Realities series. I've put him on a power program, therefore, we may or may not see plyo's and power exercises making their way into my log. In the case that they do, it would be because I'm assisting him in his work out and that would be the only reason. Apart from that little tid bit, I'll be bodybuilding.

    My order should be in by Friday.
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    Subbed. I love the objective and methodical purpose of this log. It will definitely be interesting to see your results. I have high hopes
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    Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeRows View Post
    Subbed. I love the objective and methodical purpose of this log. It will definitely be interesting to see your results. I have high hopes
    - No worries, bro, Volcom has never failed to impress with a very visual and descriptive log ! Your high hopes won't be disappointed !
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    I never looked at Inosine before, maybe worth looking around for some reading material on it
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I never looked at Inosine before, maybe worth looking around for some reading material on it
    Hey Easy,
    Inosine caught my attention a few years back (around 2000-2001). I'm going to offer a very broad, unrefined and a "has room for improved accuracy" summation of Inosine (recalling from memory from many years back). I believe the initial interest arose from either Germans or Russians, when one of them still had scientists trying to produce super soldiers and/or superior athletes. In sum, Inosine, as I vaguely recall, is either a pre-cursor, a derivative, or a pre-cursor component to Adenisone, thus, hypothesized to aid in the production of Adenosine Mono- Di- and/or Triphosphate and we are all aware of the role of these currencies of energies.

    I ran an Inosine and Creatine combination back then, however, I was young enough to have an over-the-top expectations of supplements and if my six pack or 50lbs strength gain didn't come within 8 hours of ingestion, I may have not given it the credit it may have potentially deserved had I been wiser and more realistic (I actually wasn't quite that bad), but years and years of supplement experience has definitely added some wisdom and realistic expectations.

    Therefore, I am excited about this White Flood matrix. I'll be revisiting a lot of these energy ingredients, but never in such a wide spectrum of a cocktail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeRows View Post
    Subbed. I love the objective and methodical purpose of this log. It will definitely be interesting to see your results. I have high hopes
    Great to have you here! Having a controlled labs rep gives me street credibility
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    Always a pleasure to have you guys along. You guys always offer so much positive motivation.
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    Good to see you're here TT. I'm hoping the White Flood comes in today (Friday), so I can get this show on the road!
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    Sad news


    My White Flood did not come in today as anticipated. I hate the feeling of letting "new" logs linger with inactivity. Especially when you guys were kind enough to drop in. I truly feel a weighted obligation when I begin new logs, so these delays feel really ugh for me.

    I may begin logging the two or potentially three workouts I may have before Monday hits for the sake of discipline. Perhaps this may offer a contrast, once I begin to drown myself in a White Flood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    My White Flood did not come in today as anticipated. I hate the feeling of letting "new" logs linger with inactivity. Especially when you guys were kind enough to drop in. I truly feel a weighted obligation when I begin new logs, so these delays feel really ugh for me.

    I may begin logging the two or potentially three workouts I may have before Monday hits for the sake of discipline. Perhaps this may offer a contrast, once I begin to drown myself in a White Flood.
    Good idea, we can compare the cold workouts to the ones with WF.

    And I like the anticipation But it's too bad you didn't get it today! Bummer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeRows View Post
    Good idea, we can compare the cold workouts to the ones with WF.

    And I like the anticipation But it's too bad you didn't get it today! Bummer!
    A gift from the postal service to myself
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    Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311;
    My White Flood did not come in today as anticipated. I hate the feeling of letting "new" logs linger with inactivity. Especially when you guys were kind enough to drop in. I truly feel a weighted obligation when I begin new logs, so these delays feel really ugh for me...
    Yeah! I get your drift, Volcom. Waiting can be a nuisance sometimes. No hassles, though. We have tonnes of patience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    A gift from the postal service to myself
    Got that from fedex last night!!!!
    Apparently tracking number updates are determined by rolling dice
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    Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeRows View Post
    Got that from fedex last night!!!!
    Apparently tracking number updates are determined by rolling dice


    Volcom, I like the idea of logging your workouts before you get your White Flood. A comparison of with/without would be nice. I think this is a great way for anyone to start off a log.
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    Christmas Miracle in the middle of Summer


    Since the dawn of man, FedEx has delivered to this particular location between the hours of 11:00am and 2:00pm. When the time of sudden death (2:00pm) had past, I turned my anticipation for the arrival of my package to the following Monday. However, Santa Claus must have been here at the West Coast getting his tan on, when he hijacked a FedEx truck, in conjunction with the spirit of Los Angeles. Stripped the FedEx guys uniform, as a tribute to East Coast thugs in order to remain bipartisan and showed up with my White Flood at 4:30 p.m., dressed as the FedEx delivery guy and driving the FedEx truck via armed robbery, just one hour before I leave work and head into the gym. Thats my Christmas Story.

    In lieu of my Christmas Miracle, the idea of a compare and contrast workout went from making the best of a situation, to an actual good idea. Therefore, I'll post my last workout where I was naked of any supplements and this will be a good working out cold vs working out with White Flood contrast.

    Death by super-sets.

    All supersets were performed with less then 10 seconds between super-set transitions. All exercises were done with about 2 min rest between sets, and about 2 min rest between exercises.

    Flat Bench/T-Rows
    225lbs x 15 reps/135lbs x 15 reps
    245lbs x 9 reps/160lbs x 12 reps
    245lbs x 8 reps/175lbs x 10 reps

    Flat Db Press/Standing Db Shrugs
    85lbs Db's x 15 reps/85lbs Db's x 15 reps
    90lbs Db's x 12 reps/90lbs Db's x 15 reps
    95lbs Db's x 8 reps/95lbs Db's x 15 reps

    Body Weight, Under Grip Pull Ups/Body Weight Dips
    10 reps/12 reps
    9 reps/10 reps
    8 reps/10 reps

    Pull Over Machine/Push Ups
    150lbs x 10 reps/ 20 push ups
    150lbs x 10 reps/20 push ups
    150lbs x 10 reps/20 push ups

    I only have one super-set day so far, but I may include more.
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    I came to think that scrutinizing a supplement for “performance enhancement” is a very broad and general idea. Therefore, I thought I’d create a template to which I’ll be sharing my experience on. Of course nothing I share is an objective or truly accurate account of the products direct effects. Outside of an actual controlled environment, with literal measurements and a whole lot of information with tons of paper & penciling required when “testing,” its all subjective. How I “feel” its working. I also don’t want to get too technical, given nobody is here to read thickets of questionable information from a subjective experience. Simple, relatable and informative will be my goal.

    Mental and Physical Performance
    #1. Pre Workout Intensity: How I feel before I get into the gym. We all know that it isn’t necessarily imperative that we arrive at the gym shadow boxing in excitement to hit the iron in order to have a great workout, but it does help tremendously when you are that pumped full of intensity beforehand.
    #2. Intensity Within The Set: How energized I remain within the set. Do I have that extra squeeze of energy to pull off reps that are related more so due to muscle endurance, rather then actual muscle failure.
    #3. Intensity Between Sets: How motivated and energized I remain from set one, progressing through the final set.
    #4. Intensity Between Exercises: How motivated and energized I remain from exercise to exercise.
    #5. Post Exercise Energy. Am I walking out the gym like Leonidous of 300 Spartans or dragging myself out in a psychological stretcher.

    The list can go on and on, but I’ll probably include these base assessments in all my workouts, including other mention-able(s) I’m sure I’ll note. As you can see I talk a lot.

    Of course there will be lots of mediating variables. What if I simply don’t feel like workout out that day? This will have nothing to do with White Flood’s effects. I will note that.

    What if I didn’t get enough rest? my diet is lacking the kcals to meet the energy demands I’m over-trained. I’m wary of all these concerns and many more. I know my body very well and I know where to accredit benefit or blame with certain degree of integrity. Life happens and we’ll see how the White Flood floats along with it.
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    Nice Volume & Weights with the DB Presses!!

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    First Impressions


    Big Bad Back. It appears my latest fad are super-sets and drop-sets, or whatever I can do to make my workouts above and beyond. Without further delay...

    One Arm, Hammer Low Rows, Drop-Set from Hell.
    Set One
    (2) Plates x 15 reps each arm, drop
    (1) Plate x 15 reps e.a. (This set was more of a warm up)

    Set Two
    (3) Plates x 10 reps each arm, drop
    (2) Plates x 10 reps e.a., drop
    (1) Plate x 10 reps e.a., drop

    Set Three
    (4) Plates x 10 reps each arm, drop
    (3) Plates x 10 reps e.a., drop
    (2) Plates x 10 reps e.a., drop
    (1) Plate x 10 reps e.a., drop

    Set Four
    (5) Plates x 10 reps each arm, drop
    (4) Plates x 10 reps e.a., drop
    (3) Plates x 10 reps e.a., drop
    (2) Plates x 10 reps e.a., drop
    (1) Plate x 10 reps e.a.

    Can we say 100 reps drop set!!!
    And that's how you open a show.

    Underhand Grip, Hammer Rows, super-set, Neutral Grip Hammer High Rows
    130lbs x 15 reps, super-set, 100lbs x 15 reps
    145lbs x 12 reps, super-set, 120lbs x 12 reps
    160lbs x 10 reps, super-set, 140lbs x 10 reps

    Lat Pull Downs, super-set, Machine Pull Overs

    165lbs x 12 reps, super-set, 140lbs x 12 reps
    180lbs x 10 reps, super-set, 155lbs x 10 reps
    195lbs x 8 reps, super-set, 170lbs x 8 reps


    I know this doesn't look like a lot, but believe me, after that initial drop set from Hell opener, everything following that hurt, and on top of that, I was super-setting everything. This was an intense workout.

    About the White Flood:

    Pre-Gym Intensity: To my surprise, it was not the reaction I expected. I expected a Stim motivation, where you feel like you can't sit still and you have to start running laps before your eye balls get pushed out your head. Traditional Stim motivation has more of a physical and mental, "I can't sit still and I want to release this energy on the weights or the stairmaster" kind of feel. However, my experience today was not a crack headed one. I would have to say it seemed more of a inspirational effect then a physiologically motivational effect. Meaning, rather then feeling like I can't sit still, I felt really creative in ways I can push myself, with the energy confidence and expectations to be able to accomplish it. If that was too much dribble, the best way I can put it is, an inspirational vs motivational pre gym effect.

    Intra-Set Effect: I did have a few occasions, where on reps 5-6 I was convinced I'd be done by reps 8-9 and ended up completing the desired 10-12 reps. I did have that extra, within the set edge.

    Inter-Set Effect:
    I did feel very energized between sets. I have to say my recovery time was almost instantaneous and that is NOT a testament to my conditioning, because I've been huffing and puffing like crazy during my workouts lately (strong reason for my wanting to try White Flood to begin with). My ability to catch my breath following that psychotic opening drop set was VERY, VERY fast. I'm still not quite sure what to make of it, because it seemed abnormal.

    Between Exercises: Again, this heavily plays off of the inter-set effect. My energy never felt too drained to continue and my energy level did meet my inspirational demand of creatively, intense lifting.

    Post-Exercise: I have way too much energy still, which scares me because I don't see how I'm going to sleep tonight. This does not feel like a Stimmed out energy, but a steady level of energy, at a high level, yes, but not over-the-top. To me, its remnant of 5 caps of RPM. It doesn't feel over-the-top, yet it seems endless.

    My first impressions exceeded my expectations in that the experience was different than what I was anticipating. I expected an old fashioned Stim Sprint, but instead, I got a very contemporary steady state energy, but at a good, strong level.

    Please note I have an outlandish tolerance for Stims, so perhaps White Flood may crack some of you out, but for me, it was unexpectedly pleasant.

    Great first day, I'm extremely pleased with the intensity of my workout, throughout and I left the gym looking forward to tomorrows Chest day. Looks like super-sets and drop-sets are my new thing, so I'm sure there will be more pain tomorrow morning.
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    In for the ridiculous hardcore training sessions...lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamBoz19 View Post
    In for the ridiculous hardcore training sessions...lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamBoz19 View Post
    In for the ridiculous hardcore training sessions...lol.

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    Second Impression; Good God


    Pre-Gym Intensity: Again, I experienced less of a restless, physical motivation to workout, but more of a sense of creative inspiration. I kept thinking of ways I could extend my sets and increase the bar of intensity, which I excitingly achieved.

    ARMS (bi's, tri's, forearms)

    Db Hammer Curls, super-set, Laying Double Db Triceps Extensions, super-set, Double Db Reverse Wrist Curls.


    Set One
    50lbs Db's x 15 reps, super-set, 30lbs Db's x 15 reps, super-set, 30lbs Db's x 15 reps

    Set Two
    55lbs x 12 reps, super-set, 35lbs Db's x 12 reps, super-set, 35lbs Db's x 12 reps

    Set Three
    60lbs Db's x 8 reps, super-set, 40lbs Db's x 10 reps, super-set, 40lbs Db's x 12 reps

    Concentrated Db Curls, super-set, Hammer Dips, super-set, Db Wrist Curls

    Set One
    40lbs Db's x 12 reps, super-set, 200lbs x 15 reps, super-set, 40lbs Db's x 12 reps

    Set Two
    45lbs Db's x 10 reps, super-set, 220lbs x 15 reps, super-set, 45lbs Db's x 10 reps

    Set Three
    50lbs Db's x 8 reps, super-set, 240lbs x 10 reps, super-set, 50lbs Db's x 8 reps

    Cable Curls, super-set, Cable Reverse Triceps Extensions

    100lbs x 15 reps, super-set, 120lbs x 15 reps
    110lbs x 12 reps, super-set, 130lbs x 15 reps
    120lbs x 10 reps, super-set, 140lbs x 15 reps

    Close Grip Bench, Drop Sets

    Set One
    185lbs x 15 reps, drop,
    135lbs x 15 reps

    Set Two
    225lbs x 10 reps, drop
    185lbs x 5 reps, drop
    135lbs x 10 reps

    Set Three
    225lbs x 8 reps, drop
    185lbs x 5 reps, drop
    135lbs x 5 reps

    Everything was performed with very minimal rest. Transitions were seconds apart. The sets were minutes apart. I simply logged my previous set in my little notebook, grabbed the weights I needed for the next pyramid and began. Rest between exercises were a matter of walking to the station. My intensity was out of this world today.

    I can say with utmost certainty. I would not have been able to do this last week. My conditioning has been going downhill ever since my injury, and these past two White Flood fueled workouts have had me feeling 100%. I haven't had the energy or desire (this is where this inspirational aspect I described comes in) to be so creatively intense and having the will to do it.

    Intra-Set Intensity: I've been starting my Db hammer curls with 40lbs Db's and moving up to 50lbs. Today I inadvertently grabbed the 50lbs Db's (which is what I normally use during a strength phase, but not hypertrophy phase, which is where I'm at now) and it wasn't until around reps 10 that I realized I had the 50lbs Db's and not the 40's. I knew I had to push to 15 reps, because I'm stressing volume right now and walla, I did and completed my Hammers in a pyramid fashion with the volume I wanted. I believe Beta Alanine requires a load, until saturation phase, much like creatine, but I can't think of anything else that could have boosted my performance on this particular exercise as it did. Maybe the NO matrix??? hmmmm.....

    Inter-Set Intensity: Absolutely there. I never felt winded. I felt numb on many occasions and a burning sensation that makes you silently scream inside for a couple seconds, but I never felt winded. Again, this is not a testament to my conditioning, because last week (last few weeks actually), I have been a pathetic, feet dragging mess, that burned out extraordinarily and uncharacteristically quickly.

    Between Exercises Intensity: I was drenched, but fully motivated and inspired to keep my psychotic pace.

    Post Exercise: I'm good. My energy level is still strong and steady. I can tell I couldn't go back and do that same workout again today, but I have no sense of a crash.

    P.S. To my surprise I didn't have to resort to taking any sedatives last night to sleep.

    I'm loving the White Flood. My only critique, is that I'm ultra sensitive to parasthesis (sp?), parasthesia? The itchy feeling underneath the skin, created by Beta Alanine. I felt it throughout my workout and I had to constantly scratch myself (to no avail), but its bearable. Again, I'm "ULTRA" sensitive to the parasthesis or parasthesia, so it may not even register on some of you who have a high tolerance for it. Apart from this little tid bit, three letters, WOW. I'm loving the experience so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311;
    ...I'm loving the White Flood. My only critique, is that I'm ultra sensitive to parasthesis (sp?), parasthesia? The itchy feeling underneath the skin, created by Beta Alanine. I felt it throughout my workout and I had to constantly scratch myself (to no avail), but its bearable. Again, I'm "ULTRA" sensitive to the parasthesis or parasthesia, so it may not even register on some of you who have a high tolerance for it. Apart from this little tid bit, three letters, WOW. I'm loving the experience so far.
    Your beta-alanine experience is different from a similar sensation you experience after you consume niacin, the so-called "niacin flush".

    There is no beta-alanine "flush" in the sense of the skin turning red (as with niacin). With beta-alanine, there is a tingling (called paraethesia) or itching of the skin. This is not an allergic reaction. It is a normal body reaction to the consumption of beta alanine, once the compound has been absorbed into the blood stream. The precise mechanism here is not fully known. However, there are two theories.
    1) The tingling is initiated by beta alanine binding to nerve receptors. These nerve receptors are excited, making them fire off at random. The situation of many of these nerve cells just below the surface of the skin creates a prickling, pins-and-needles, sensation at certain spots on the skin. 2) As a nitric-oxide potentiator (not generator), beta Alanine magnifies the action of nitric oxide, making its effects stronger and longer-lasting. Consequently, after the consumption of beta alanine, when the body produces nitric oxide, its effects will be amplified, making us feel the extra blood flowing through the capillaries close to the surface of the skin.

    The intensity of the tingling is dose-dependent and ceases after serum beta-alanine levels are saturated.

    Neither the niacin flush nor the beta-alanine tingling sensation should be a cause for worry.

    Great log, so far, bud!
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    Helluva workout, Volcom ! Loving the tri-set routine you're incorporating; anything to up the intensity huh ?!

    Real happy the White Flood is working for ya, and I did tell ya it was above the ordinary ... didn't I ?! lol. The GABA/Beta Alanine gives me the parathesia every time, but that only helps boost my pre-workout focus and energy. I feel a warming sensation every time within 10-12 minutes of Consusmption. Love it !
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    Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    Your beta-alanine experience is different from a similar sensation you experience after you consume niacin, the so-called "niacin flush".

    There is no beta-alanine "flush" in the sense of the skin turning red (as with niacin). With beta-alanine, there is a tingling (called paraethesia) or itching of the skin. This is not an allergic reaction. It is a normal body reaction to the consumption of beta alanine, once the compound has been absorbed into the blood stream. The precise mechanism here is not fully known. However, there are two theories.
    1) The tingling is initiated by beta alanine binding to nerve receptors. These nerve receptors are excited, making them fire off at random. The situation of many of these nerve cells just below the surface of the skin creates a prickling, pins-and-needles, sensation at certain spots on the skin. 2) As a nitric-oxide potentiator (not generator), beta Alanine magnifies the action of nitric oxide, making its effects stronger and longer-lasting. Consequently, after the consumption of beta alanine, when the body produces nitric oxide, its effects will be amplified, making us feel the extra blood flowing through the capillaries close to the surface of the skin.

    The intensity of the tingling is dose-dependent and ceases after serum beta-alanine levels are saturated.

    Neither the niacin flush nor the beta-alanine tingling sensation should be a cause for worry.

    Great log, so far, bud!
    I LOVE the tingles I get them with Incarnate when I dose it without carbs, but as I understand it absorbs better with carbs, so most of the time I don't feel the paraethesia, even though I find it pleasant.

    Volcom, quality log brother, really interested in hearing how this goes for you, after reading Norway's experiences with it I have high hopes.
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    Great log so far. I also get the tingles, but don't mind them as long as I'm hitting the weights. I knew you'd like the WF
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    The white flood is doing me justice for sure. Tonight may be epic if all goes well. Couple more hours until lift off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    The white flood is doing me justice for sure. Tonight may be epic if all goes well. Couple more hours until lift off.
    Hey I'm in bro- love the sick training going on here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    The white flood is doing me justice for sure. Tonight may be epic if all goes well. Couple more hours until lift off.
    Bring it on, bro.

    - You and I alike . . . big things about to happen in the gym tonight !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norwegian View Post
    Bring it on, bro.

    - You and I alike . . . big things about to happen in the gym tonight !
    Tear it up! :dl:
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    Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    I'm loving the White Flood. My only critique, is that I'm ultra sensitive to parasthesis (sp?), parasthesia? The itchy feeling underneath the skin, created by Beta Alanine. I felt it throughout my workout and I had to constantly scratch myself (to no avail), but its bearable. Again, I'm "ULTRA" sensitive to the parasthesis or parasthesia, so it may not even register on some of you who have a high tolerance for it. Apart from this little tid bit, three letters, WOW. I'm loving the experience so far.
    This my not apply to you but White Flood contains sucralose(splenda). Splenda causes rashes and itchy skin to people who are allergic to it.
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    Tear it up! :dl:
    Sure as hell did !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mqsymth View Post
    This my not apply to you but White Flood contains sucralose(splenda). Splenda causes rashes and itchy skin to people who are allergic to it.
    True . . . . but in this case - with both Beta Alanine and GABA - the tingling-effect is known as parathesia. Most first-timers (and many who incorporate B.A. as a staple in their arsenal) will experience it. I personally love it. Literally, you'll be feeling the effects come on. What else could you ask for in a supplement ?!
  

  
 

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