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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Well you could save em for a stack with H-drol for a recomp next spring. thebigT ran prop at 90mg for 6 weeks and H-drol at 50mg for the first 4. I bet you'll drop about 1-2% bodyfat and still put on 5 pounds with that stack.

    Although it's not really a big deal on the timing of your dosage, your attention to detail (especially in the plan pre-cycle) is what is making this such a good experience for you. Your cycle is going awesome bro! Keep up the good work
    i ran hemadrol/propadrol, the reason for posting this is i believe hemadrol is superior to h-drol. i lost a notch in my belt and put on 12 pounds, best ph stack i have done. if i ever feel the need to bulk up this is the stack i will use. good luck.

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    Day 13
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    Weight: 192

    Still making gains. I know they're not all lean but I can live with this. Calorie intake was much better than yesterday. I felt good today...was a little tired but I had a nap and was back to normal. Plenty of energy in the gym.

    Nips...slowly but surely seem to be getting better.

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    Dumbbell lateral 25/10, 30/6, 25/10
    Seated dumbbell rear delts 15/10, 15/10, 15/10
    Upright row 95/5, 105/5, 105/5, 95/10
    Hang clean 135/8, 155/6, 155/6, 135/6
    Dumbbell shrug 90/6, 90/5, 90/8 (w/straps), 90/6 (w/straps)
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    I decided to save the Propadrol for another cycle in the future. Well, at least that's what I'm thinking for now...maybe I'll change my mind tomorrow.
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    Keep up the good work bro. I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one that does research before starting EPI. I see so many of these dudes running it at 20mg per day. Keep eatin and liftin hard....I promise you're gonna love it by the end. I'm running it for the 2nd time in an attempt to cut and I've hardened up quite a bit over the past 3 wks. Best of luck man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by larue38462 View Post
    Keep up the good work bro. I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one that does research before starting EPI. I see so many of these dudes running it at 20mg per day. Keep eatin and liftin hard....I promise you're gonna love it by the end. I'm running it for the 2nd time in an attempt to cut and I've hardened up quite a bit over the past 3 wks. Best of luck man.
    Thanks bro! I'm loving it already.
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    Day 14
    Epistane 40mg
    Weight: 193

    Another good day. I was tired most of the day, probably because I only got 6 hours of sleep the previous night. Once I got to the gym I was fine. My strength and energy were great.
    I've been getting more irritable lately but not enough where I can't control it.
    I'm starting to notice a drop in my libido now as well.

    Gyno...I'm definately seeing and feeling a difference now. The sensitivity has gone way down and so have the lumps.

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    Deadlifts 225/5, 315/4, 365/1, 365/1, 315/6
    Reverse grip BB row 1335/10, 155/8, 155/6
    DB row 90/10, 90/8, 90/8
    Neutral grip pullup 6, 5, 6

    Here are some pics from day 1 and today. I have put on 10lbs, not all lean ...no prob! You can see a reduction in my gyno too.
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    Props for posting pics

    Consider adding formestane for the libido drop. Some love the combination, others ache somethin fierce. If it becomes too dry you might want to consider a trib as a temporary quick fix.

    Just a side note in regards to hemadrol, I'm thinking EST no longer makes prohormones other than propadrol... I could be wrong
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    I added some eform to my epi cycle a few wks ago and my lower back gave me constant problems. I've never experienced back pumps, but I'm thinkin that's what was goin on. Celc is correct though, there are tons of ppl that have had a lot of success w/ the form.
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    Day 15
    Epistane 40mg
    Weight: 193

    Good day.

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    skull crushers 85/8, 105/4, 105/4, 95/8
    Hammer strength dip 270/8, 270/8, 270/6
    Single arm cable reverse 35/6, 30/8, 30/7, 30/4
    Barbell curl 85/7, 85/6, 85/6, 85/6
    Standing DB hammer 40/8, 45/6, 45/6
    Preacher machine 125/8, 125/5, 110/6
    EZ reverse curls 65/8, 65/8, 65/8
    Narrow pushups 20, 20
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    10lbs in 2 weeks and LESS gyno.

    WOW WOW WOW I just gotta say. VERY impressive.


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    Sub'd Great job and an excellent log.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/253231-lets-see-what.html
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    Keep me updated on the hair loss, if any ...
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    Day 16
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    Day off. Feeling good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Consider adding formestane for the libido drop. Some love the combination, others ache somethin fierce. If it becomes too dry you might want to consider a trib as a temporary quick fix.
    Quote Originally Posted by larue38462 View Post
    I added some eform to my epi cycle a few wks ago and my lower back gave me constant problems. I've never experienced back pumps, but I'm thinkin that's what was goin on. Celc is correct though, there are tons of ppl that have had a lot of success w/ the form.
    Thanks for the info guys. I can deal with the libido drop for now...it's keeping me out of trouble. This is good to know for future reference though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2skinny View Post
    Thanks for the info guys. I can deal with the libido drop for now...it's keeping me out of trouble. This is good to know for future reference though.
    Are we talking on cycle here? Lipido drop after 18 days? dang.
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    Quote Originally Posted by larue38462 View Post
    I added some eform to my epi cycle a few wks ago and my lower back gave me constant problems. I've never experienced back pumps, but I'm thinkin that's what was goin on. Celc is correct though, there are tons of ppl that have had a lot of success w/ the form.
    Just to clarify, AI's have the potential to irritate joints. I believe the theory is that when estrogen gets too low, it "dries out" the joints so to speak. I've never seen any theory that an AI could play a role in lower back pumps. Trust me, when you get em, you KNOW EXACTLY what's going on cause it sucks! In other words, I'd guess your back symptoms were pumps from the epi OR vertebral joint issues from the formestane... you'd have to be an old fart with pre-existing arthritis to have the vertebral joint issues be a problem IMO.

    In my experience, 6oxo WRECKS my joints when I get up around 5 or 600mg/day. 6bromo and formestane have no effect on my joints although haven't exactly double dosed them like I did with 6oxo. All 3 were great products.

    If libido is not a concern, no need to add anything. As we've discussed before, if it's no broke, don't fix it because your results seem to be above average for epi already
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc-Antony View Post
    Keep me updated on the hair loss, if any ...
    I haven't noticed any hair loss so far...hopefully it stays like this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc-Antony View Post
    Are we talking on cycle here? Lipido drop after 18 days? dang.
    Well, I'm on my 17th day now and my libido has dropped a little. Nothing major though and looking at the gains I've made so far, it's well worth it to me.
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    Thats awesome so far!! Your nips do look smaller and less shinny Really awesome job!
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    Day 17
    Epistane 40mg
    Weight: 194

    Today my mood seemed a little better than is has for the past week. I wasn't as irritable and my libido was almost back to normal today. I not sure if my body is "adjusting" to the Epi or if today was just unusually good. I'll have to see how I feel the next few days.

    I felt great in the gym today. Strength and energy were excellent. My appetite has been good.

    Gyno is still there but has improved a great deal. I am very happy with this so far.

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    Flat BB - 185/4, 185/2, 225/4, 245/3, 225/6
    Incline DB - 80/8, 90/5, 80/6
    DB fly w/slight incline - 45/8, 45/8, 35/10
    BB curl - 85/8, 85/6, 85/6
    DB curl standing - 40/8, 40/7, 30/8
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    Day 18
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    Weight: 194

    Today I was a little busier than usual so I was not able to eat as much as I wanted to. As a result my energy was down a little in the gym today. Strength was good but endurance was lacking.
    I planned on working legs and shoulders today but my workout got cut short. This was probably a good thing though because tomorrow I'll be fresh and ready for a good shoulder workout.

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    Squats 185/6, 225/6, 275/8, 275/6, 225/10
    Stiff legged deadlift 185/10, 185/10, 185/10
    Leg press 580/8, 580/6, 490/10
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    Day 19
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    Weight: 194

    I haven't been stuffing my face like I should the past few days. I've been feeling pretty good though. My strength is slowly increasing and my clothes are getting tighter.
    I haven't been doing any cardio lately but I think I'm going to start soon. Nothing major, just something light. But I will definately be trying to eat more to make sure I'm not losing pounds.

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    DB press 60/8, 70/6, 75/3, 60/8
    Cable lateral 2/8, 2/8, 2/8
    DB rear delts 15/10, 15/10, 15/10
    Upright row 115/5, 115/5, 115/5, 115/5
    Hang clean 135/6, 155/6, 175/2, 175/2, 175/2
    BB shrug 225/6, 295/4, 225/6, 225/8
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    I'm thinking about increasing my dose to 50mg/day pretty soon. This should be interesting.
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    Are you counting your macros to be sure you're making lean gains?

    Check with some others at your size who have ran epi at 50mg to strategize with length of cycle. If you run 6 weeks like you originally planned at that dosage, post cycle might be more difficult than anticipated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Are you counting your macros to be sure you're making lean gains?

    Check with some others at your size who have ran epi at 50mg to strategize with length of cycle. If you run 6 weeks like you originally planned at that dosage, post cycle might be more difficult than anticipated.
    I'm not counting my macros. I'm currently on a military base and I'm eating from the dining facility. I eat what's being served. I do my best to guesstimate my way to a balanced diet.

    Before I decide to go to 50mg I will do more research. I might even have to shorten my cycle to 5 weeks because of some upcoming work related stuff that could interfere with my PCT.
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    Day 20
    Epistane 40mg
    Weight: 194.5

    Today was a good day. I was dragging a little at the beginning of my workout but once I got going, I was fine. I'm feeling stronger every workout. My weight is not changing much recently. I have lost some definition but I don't feel like it will be hard to get back.

    Gyno is almost gone. Awesome!

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    Deadlift 135/10, 225/6, 315/6, 365/2, 365/4
    Reverse BB row 155/10, 155/10, 155/8
    DB row 100/6, 100/6, 85/10
    Overhead DB press 90/8, 90/8, 90/6
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    Thank you for your service bro.

    Congrats on the gyno. Be sure to plan future supplementation and cycles so as not to instigate a repeat occurence. Once you experience gyno, you become VERY susceptable to aggravation.
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    Day 21
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    Weight: 194

    Day off
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2skinny View Post
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    Weight: 194

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    Has this hurt your appetite at all? I feel its hurt my appetite.
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    i have heard grea things with epistan and appetite i hear it makes you starved
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    Quote Originally Posted by king1033 View Post
    i have heard grea things with epistan and appetite i hear it makes you starved
    Its doing the exact opposite to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by king1033 View Post
    i have heard grea things with epistan and appetite i hear it makes you starved

    Epistane in the range of 60mgs-80mgs makes me so hungry.. Ill eat a good sized meal and i feel as if i havnt touched it once done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    Epistane in the range of 60mgs-80mgs makes me so hungry.. Ill eat a good sized meal and i feel as if i havnt touched it once done.
    hey do you see any sides at those doses??
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    60-80mg?? Damn bro that's huge. I got up to 50 and felt like I couldn't eat enough to fill myself for an hour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vicmack777 View Post
    Has this hurt your appetite at all? I feel its hurt my appetite.
    My appetite actually went down within the first few days of my cycle and I'm not sure why. It did go back up within the first week and it has been about normal since. I was hoping Epi would increase my appetite but it hasn't so far. No complaints though.
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    Day 22
    Epistane 40mg
    Weight: 194

    I've hit a plateau with my weight gains but I am still making strength gains. This could mean that I'm leaning out (gaining muscle while shedding some fat). I'll take pics on day 28 and compare them with day 14 to see if this is so.

    Today I was looking at my hairline and it's looks like I may have lost a little hair on this cycle. I am prone to MPB but I shave my head so I'm not too concerned with this. I will begin to monitor this more closely.

    Gyno does not seem to be changing much lately. It has gone down a lot so far but it is not totally gone yet.

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    Flat BB 185/6, 225/5, 225/5
    Cable fly 35/10, 42.5/8, 35/10
    Decline BB 135/10, 185/OUCH!
    Sharp pain in my right shoulder on decline BB. Kind of scary but I don't think it was too bad. I stopped my workout then and there. I've never had a shoulder injury and I really don't want one. To prevent any problems I will focus more on proper warm up, manageable weight, good form and stretching.
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    Well it looks like this is going to be a 5 week cycle now rather than 6. I'm going to shorten it because I want to make sure I'm finished with my PCT within the second week of Jan. This being said, I think it will be safe to up my dose to 50mg per day. I will try it for this 4th week (starting tomorrow) and for the 5th week I can either stay at 50mg or go back to 40mg.
    I'm hoping that increasing the dose will finish off my gyno and also increase my appetite somewhat. And also, I have ADD and I'm getting bored with 40mg. Ha ha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by king1033 View Post
    hey do you see any sides at those doses??
    Only side i saw at that dosage was minor back pumps here an there ( nothing close to superdrol or M1T tho so i was ok with it) and i looked lean as hell but was a tad bloated. BUT with what i gained and how strong i got ill take the minor back pumps and the little bloat for that. I think i was also that bloated because of how much i was eating. The nutrient repartitioning at that dosage though is insane. Reminds me a lot of tren.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    Only side i saw at that dosage was minor back pumps here an there ( nothing close to superdrol or M1T tho so i was ok with it) and i looked lean as hell but was a tad bloated. BUT with what i gained and how strong i got ill take the minor back pumps and the little bloat for that. I think i was also that bloated because of how much i was eating. The nutrient repartitioning at that dosage though is insane. Reminds me a lot of tren.


    i think if i ever run epi ill run it 40 for the first week and see if i can handle anything more after that
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    Day 23
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    Weight: 195.5

    Today is my first day at 50mg. I was really tired and I did not want to do my legs, but I'm glad I did. I felt really strong once I warmed up and squatted more than I ever have before.

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    Squats 225/6, 275/10, 295/6, 225/10
    Leg press 360/10, 540/10, 540/10
    Stiff legged deadlift 175/10, 195/10, 195/10
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2skinny View Post
    Day 23
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    Weight: 195.5

    Today is my first day at 50mg. I was really tired and I did not want to do my legs, but I'm glad I did. I felt really strong once I warmed up and squatted more than I ever have before.

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    Squats 225/6, 275/10, 295/6, 225/10
    Leg press 360/10, 540/10, 540/10
    Stiff legged deadlift 175/10, 195/10, 195/10
    Calfs
    i think you should go heavier, i weigh 20lbs less and can do those numbers im just as tall you should be able to push alittle harder IMO, you should be pushing those muscles to the limit your on a steroid, but keep it up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by king1033 View Post
    i think you should go heavier, i weigh 20lbs less and can do those numbers im just as tall you should be able to push alittle harder IMO, you should be pushing those muscles to the limit your on a steroid, but keep it up!
    Everyone is different regarding strengths and weaknesses. I squat, deadlift, and shrug close to 450 but my bench rarely goes over 225.

    There are certainly other ways to increase intensity on cycle without lifting heavier weights such as increased frequency, decreased rest periods, intensity techniques (supersets, drops, etc), and increased volume. I do not encourage substantially heavier weights on cycle as this is a recipe for injury.

    Specifically regarding 2skinny, his numbers are really nice for BB row, upright rows, and flat BB bench (assuming strict form of course). In response to King1033, 2skinny increased his heaviest set of squats by 20 pounds since his last leg session. I think that's a pretty substantial increase, don't you?
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