bigt adds formestane to epi.
- 06-09-2007, 08:17 PM
I had a quite lengthy exchange of information on formestane with thesinner and he said it would be ok to pass on what we discussed. Here's a basic collaboration of what we discussed:
-Formastane is a super-potent AI and ph of hydroxy-test (which is a weak steroid)
-Recommendations are 80-120mg TD per dose, 2x/day
-I personally see almost immediate results with as low as 20mg/dose at 2x/day
-thesinner says he has seen people go up to 400mg/day
-4 weeks of use to stack in a cycle should be safe
-Since form is very dry, we agreed that this could potentially be a good idea to stack with a PP, max lmg (T, isn't that similar to propadrol?), wet compounds, or aromatizing steroids that may cause gyno
-If used for post cycle therapy, it should be ramped up and then tapered to avoid rebound. thesinner had less of a libido boost with form in post cycle therapy than he did with other experiences
-4-hydroxy test (4-OHT) is only 65% as anabolic as testosterone. This will cause SOME hpta shutdown, but some believe it to be mild enough for use in post cycle therapy
-sinner says 84% reduction in estrogen from form!!! The highest is letro which is in the 90's
- 06-09-2007, 09:32 PM
google 'formestane'. on page 2, the 18th listing is 'aromatase inhibition in male athletes'. it's always good to get info first hand and this is a good place to start.
- 06-10-2007, 02:15 AM
06-10-2007, 12:32 PM
06-10-2007, 01:00 PM
06-10-2007, 07:02 PM
well i think im going to give 6oxoextreme a go after all, and i cant believe i havent tried reset ad yet. im making an order tom. and those 2 are on the list. thinking i might run biotest alpha male with the extreme, never tried that either. arent many i havent tried. twin lab andro-$12 at walgreens is still my all time favorite.izza:
06-10-2007, 08:00 PM
06-11-2007, 12:50 PM
formestane is not a super-potent AI...unless thesinner is a doctor or lab tech with evidence showing otherwise, we'll have to stick with the existing literature on the substance which shows it being weaker than letro, dex and i think even aromasin. anyone who's used all these AIs will probably concur.
06-11-2007, 04:55 PM
06-11-2007, 05:24 PM
This article by Author L. Rea has a table showing some relative strengths of AI's.
Here's some more info I was able to dig up:
Letrozole has been shown to reduce estrogen levels by 98% or greater. (Clin Cancer Res. 2005 Apr 15;11(8):2809-21)
Aromasin averages an 85% rate of estrogen suppression. (Eur. J. Cancer. 2000, May;36(8):976-82)
Aromidex, both .5mg and 1mg doses of Arimidex were shown to decrease estrogen by roughly 50%. (J Clin Endocrinol Metab 2000 Jul;85(7):2370-7, "Estrogen Suppression in Males" )
That 84% mentioned is a figure for formestane is one that I've seen posted a couple of times on this board (in older posts), but haven't been able to dig it up yet.
06-12-2007, 05:00 PM
06-12-2007, 05:03 PM
Did a MOD edit out that URL I posted? Or did I forget to paste it?
06-12-2007, 05:13 PM
Oh well, here it is again (in case I just forgot to paste it on):
06-12-2007, 06:43 PM
06-12-2007, 10:52 PM
06-12-2007, 10:52 PM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to thesinner again.
The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2
06-13-2007, 02:24 AM
06-13-2007, 06:16 AM
06-13-2007, 01:59 PM
Can someone condense the trans / form / marble /penetrate process for others to follow? Some kind of guide? I would like to give this a cycle.
The document link someone posted mentioned very favourable results with 500mg a week, is this easy to apply / do / cost ratio?
Thanks in advance,
06-13-2007, 02:43 PM
Dosage: I get fantastic results at 20mg 2x/day (280 mg/week). I can barely handle any more than 40 mg 2x/day (560mg/week). I start low and know within a day or 2 if I want to kick up the dosage or just sit on that dosage for about 3 weeks.
Application: I leave beads of water on my body after a shower. Spray into my hands and dab just a bit on my calves, quads, abs, chest, lats, bis... all muscle bellies. THEN I try to spread it evenly over those areas.
I've never heard of anyone doing this, but I put an every day moisturizer on after application because I feel it helps hold the moisture and supplement in the skin. Maybe this has something to do with me responding at such a low dose?
We can all assume that BigT stands in front of a mirror and flexes and he claims this increases absorption
I'll leave the "cooking" directions and cost/benefit to someone else. But whatever it costs, it's worth it!
06-13-2007, 03:55 PM
06-13-2007, 04:40 PM
All needed can be obtained from NP?
What do I need ?
1. Penetrate ( suspension solution? )
2. Formestane ( active )
3. Marble ( for mixing )
4. Glass jar or pyrex measuring container ( for mixing )
I take it people either spray it on a transdermal patch or spray directly on skin?
06-13-2007, 04:49 PM
NP's got the solution and the active.
Technically, the marble and glass container are optional.
Also note: Penetrate comes with a pump (like lotion). Personally, I prefer to use a 1mL dropper.
06-13-2007, 06:20 PM
1. Is that correct though people either spray it straight onto skin or apply it to a tranderm patch?
2. What skin areas do you guys apply it to?
06-13-2007, 06:56 PM
Good places to apply are areas where the skin is the thinnest:
-tops of feet
**Also make sure the area is clean and shaven. Obviously, if you're dirty this will hinder absorption. Hair will also decrease bioavailability of the product.
You may wanna check out the transdermals forum for more info on this kinda stuff.
06-14-2007, 09:32 AM
06-14-2007, 09:33 AM
I am asking this question for the third time with no answer yet, though I could assume.
From what I understand, people are either using a spray or a transdermal patch, is this correct?
06-14-2007, 09:35 AM
06-14-2007, 09:36 AM
~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!
06-14-2007, 09:49 AM
06-14-2007, 09:59 AM
Yep, I personally just pump it onto my chest, abs or shoulders and rub till absorbed. My fav is just buying a baby dropper measure and applie as needed.
~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!
06-14-2007, 10:31 AM
ive used form 4 or 5 times in the past with great results. heres what i do. shower, dry off, spray once to each side of chest. spray 2 times to each upper thigh including behind knee. after you rub it in your hands will have solution on them, wipe the excess on the tops of feet. it didnt seem like i got very good results spraying gut area, so i avoid it. after rubbing it in, stand in front of fan to dry off. you should get kind of a flush feeling in just a few minutes. you can really feel this stuff taking effect within 5 minutes, dont worry about chest or leg hair, it doesnt seem to bother me and im kinda hairy. good luck, and keep it simple-this isnt rocket science.
06-14-2007, 10:46 AM
So I am going to make a faq with the information you guys are supplying.
What kind of doses work for you guys with the
B) Bulk Form with Penetration :P
How much ( g's) do you guys buy for a "cycle" or per month etc.
06-14-2007, 12:57 PM
1 bottle of eform can last me four 3 week runs at about 80mg/day (2 squirts morning, 2 squirts evening). I think that most people would run eform as recommended at 4-6 sprays (80-120mg) 2x/day for 4 weeks (isn't that how you run it BigT?)
I have a similiar opinion to BigT in that hair on my legs does not seem to interfere with absorption.
06-14-2007, 01:08 PM
the key to remember is to keep it simple, dont over complicate things. this stuff is cheap, find what works for you. i can only say that 6 sprays or squirts 2xday is what works best for me. put it on in the morning an then again at least 6-8 hours later. you cant mess it up, its going to work. btw standing in front of fan after applying speeds up absorption, you should be able to feel something within 5 minutes, give it a try. this is great stuff, works much better than supps that sell for much more, and you get results right away.
06-14-2007, 03:16 PM
06-14-2007, 03:45 PM
Ive noticed that about an hour or so after rubbing it in I get a chemical taste in my mouth. Anyone else get this? I know its the form/penetrate because I get it everytime after I apply it and no other time.
06-14-2007, 03:56 PM
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