bigt adds formestane to epi.

[thebigt]

you have to go with what works for you. for me i tend to put on a lot of weight on cycle, it works for me to run form on cycle because i dont gain as many pounds but i stay lean. im right at 255 so not looking to add a lot of bulk. i run cycles to improve strength and improve muscle to fat ratio. for me the form works well for what my goals are. epi is classified as a steriod, so sooner or later your libido will probably be affected, mine hit at week 2 of 4 caps ed. the form delivered as always.

 

[Hyde12]

Ok, I added the Form. Yep, libido is up...You are definitely right.

 

[thebigt]

im not surprised. form seems to work the same for everyone

 

[addijhaq]

i'm on my 3rd week of epi and my first week of prostanozol stacked..

i take low dose letro before bed. but libido is SHOT...

my progesterone is outta whack so for me to use mfx alone isn't looking to smart for me, however what is the word on x-2.. is it strong enough ai now for mfx, i was like triple dosing on the original to keep my nips from itching... and gettin red..

i got caber and it solved that problemo, but not enough to continue it with mfx after pct.

i'm using ralox as well for pct, and from what i've read and what i've heard it's a better option imo than torem... if you are prone to gyno.. like me.


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[BifWebster]

Hey Big T, i ordered a month supply of formestane...
i'm planning a havoc cycle do you think my best bet would be using the form on cycle or pct along with everything else or maybe the last 2 weeks of the cycle and first 2 of pct?

 

[celc5]

T, how the heck did this thread get past my radar? You're sneaky

Transdermal formestane is the CRAZIEST supp that I have ever taken! By far!!! In all honesty, I hit a lot of PR's during the form run while dropping fat like crazy... in only 3 weeks as a stand alone mind you.

I'm not sure what the exact dosage was on e-form. But I know I started out taking 4 sprays, 2 with morning shower, 2 with evening shower (spray it while the skins wet). I got some palpitations and sleepness nights so I eventually lowered it to 1 spray 2x/day and was just fine.

Again to support what T said, I have some man boobies (no gyno though) and it worked locally on my chest without a doubt.

Isn't form supposed to be suppressive? If that's the case, wouldn't it be a bad idea for pct?

 

[thebigt]

form makes me crazy horny. didnt use it as pct primarily, used it on cycle. i always run a serm pct-ralox being my favorite. im big on pct and run a lot of stuff like im doing now, so i ran form 2 weeks on and 2 weeks into pct, along with ralox and jw/restore/massfx. i wish i would have started incarnate on cycle. will never do another cycle without incarnate. oh i started paravol a month before cycle and ran it for close to 3 months-until it became too intense,lol!!!i walked 5 miles at track the other day with 40 lbs of ankle weights on. bench press is at 345 which is as high as its ever been, and im 49 yrs old. endurance is down a bit, but im probably as strong as ive ever been. the cissus in incarnate is a blessing.

 

[thebigt]

hey celc, go to discount anabolics and search hemadrol. on about page 8 you will find a hema/prostanzanol log by determined german. he started it but i finished it. i got a complete log of hema/prop there.:hammer: man i loved that stack.

 

[celc5]

BigT has been helping me set up a Hemadrol cycle and adding in TD formastane... goals are recomp.

Personally I get fantastic results with 20mg TD (1spary of eform) 2x/day.

I'm thinking of using the low dose form weeks 1-2 to "kick start" my cycle while the hemadrol takes it's time to really kick in.

Is there any reason to be hesistant to use eform for the whole ON cycle for 4 weeks? I've heard of shutdown from formastane in the past if you run it too long. But, now I'm having trouble finding similar info while doing more current searches.

 

[daniel35]

I posted on another forum that I thought formestane with 11-oxo or 3ad would be a great lean bulk or cut cycle with very little shutdown, but PA said formestane was weak and worthless, but I've used it in the past as well as a lot of you guys so what is your opionion on a fomestane/11-oxo cycle.

 

[thebigt]

I posted on another forum that I thought formestane with 11-oxo or 3ad would be a great lean bulk or cut cycle with very little shutdown, but PA said formestane was weak and worthless, but I've used it in the past as well as a lot of you guys so what is your opionion on a fomestane/11-oxo cycle.

pa doesnt sell formestane, so to him it is worthless. in my opinion it would be a great cycle, but 3-ad is a better deal.

 

[thebigt]

i personally have never experienced shutdown on formestane, just the opposite. go to bulk nutrition and look for dermabolics under manufacturer. click on e-form and go to reviews. this is the most highly reviewed product on there. i suggest you dont buy from there-from personal experience.

 

[celc5]

i personally have never experienced shutdown on formestane, just the opposite. go to bulk nutrition and look for dermabolics under manufacturer. click on e-form and go to reviews. this is the most highly reviewed product on there. i suggest you dont buy from there-from personal experience.

Ha Ha, I experiene the opposite as well. Last year when I was about 2 weeks into a form trial, a girl told me a I should be a porn star!

The reason I'm concerned, is that I've just never ran it for more than about 3 weeks OR stacked it with an oral before.

You think 4 weeks straight while ON is too long? Any pyramiding up or tapering down necessary?

 

[BifWebster]

speaking of form.. did i just waste 30 bucks or what?.. hear me out

When i first recieved the formestane/penetrate i simply put the form into the bottle of penetrate than put the bottle in a sink full of hot (not boiling) water... shook it up some more but later noticed the powder was sinking to the bottom a day or two later, i put the contents of the bottle in a measuring glass and put that glass in boiling water and stirred the contents of the glass.. i put the liquid back in the penetrate bottle and shook it up... now there seems to be some oil sticking together on the bottom of the bottle and the penetrate liquid on the top... is there anything i can do to ressurect the form/penetrate or is it as good as gone?

 

[thebigt]

go to nutra planet forum-look for a thread 'formestane and penetrate', lots of useful info there. good luck.

 

[marshbomb]

speaking of form.. did i just waste 30 bucks or what?.. hear me out

When i first recieved the formestane/penetrate i simply put the form into the bottle of penetrate than put the bottle in a sink full of hot (not boiling) water... shook it up some more but later noticed the powder was sinking to the bottom a day or two later, i put the contents of the bottle in a measuring glass and put that glass in boiling water and stirred the contents of the glass.. i put the liquid back in the penetrate bottle and shook it up... now there seems to be some oil sticking together on the bottom of the bottle and the penetrate liquid on the top... is there anything i can do to ressurect the form/penetrate or is it as good as gone?

I just got my form and penetrate today. I moved it to a glass vase and put it in slightly boiling water. I then slowly a little at a time put in the form, shook it and then put it back in the water. So far so good I think but I just did it about 8 hours ago so we will see what happens. You may try putting a marble or somethin in there to break it up when you shake it. I didnt have a marble so I put a small socket in my bottle, seems to be working OK.

 

[prld2gr8ns]

go to nutra planet forum-look for a thread 'formestane and penetrate', lots of useful info there. good luck.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/nutraplanet/67313-formestane-penetrate.html:cheers:

 

[thebigt]

prid, you are the man. glad you showed up.:cheers:

 

[prld2gr8ns]

I have my moments.

By the way t, I started my form on Sunday and so far I'm liking it. Going to start stacking it with RPM and some bulk nettle to see how it goes.:cheers:

 

[thebigt]

I have my moments.

By the way t, I started my form on Sunday and so far I'm liking it. Going to start stacking it with RPM and some bulk nettle to see how it goes.:cheers:

well i hate to say it. I TOLD YOU SO. all these people i been telling about form-then they try it and say 'yeah you were right'. that sounds like a righteous stack, good luck.:box:

 

[Nabisco]

I was looking into something good to stack with my Epistane cycle coming up in a few weeks and I have been trying for the past two years to get rid of the fat on my chest (not gyno, had doctor check) and so this thread has me as excited as a teenager watching his first porno. Quick question though...once I combine the formestane and penetrate in a glass container and heat it up and dissolve it. What kind of spray bottle did you guys put it in? Just a normal plastic spray bottle? I'm curious because everyone has said its a little gritty and I don't want the solution jamming up the spray bottle. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

:think:

 

[Rivet]

What kind of spray bottle did you guys put it in? Just a normal plastic spray bottle?
:think:

Just use the same pump bottle the penetrate comes in.

 

[Nabisco]

So Im assuming that means transfer the penetrate into a glass container to dissolve the formestane in, then just replace the solution back into the penetrate spray bottle? If so, it can't get much easier. Thanks.:thumbsup:

 

[Rivet]

So Im assuming that means transfer the penetrate into a glass container to dissolve the formestane in, then just replace the solution back into the penetrate spray bottle? If so, it can't get much easier. Thanks.:thumbsup:

Yep thats it. Stick to 5g of formestane for the 8oz bottle of penetrate. I warmed up my penetrate and slowly added 10g of form and it never took it comes out of solution and sits at the bottom.

 

[Nabisco]

Another quick question. Since I'll be running Epi and Form td at the same time, will I still need an extensive pct like I would with Superdrol or another anabolic? I know with SD I ran nolva, DHEA, PowerFULL, Rebound XT, and Retain.

I just had a thought...anyone ever tried stacking Superdrol and Epistane together? Just a random crazy thought...

Week 1: 10 mg SD ed
Week 2: 20 mg SD ed
Week 3: 10 mg SD ed/ 20 mg Epi ed
Week 4: 30 mg Epi ed/Form 6 sprays 2xday
Week 5: 30 mg Epi ed/Form 6 sprays 2xday
Week 6: 40 mg Epi ed/Form 6 sprays 2xday
Week 7: Form 6 sprays 2xday/ and start normal PCT
Week 8-9: Normal PCT

I think I might just stick to Epi/Form td...that stack above looks like it might hurt.

 

[marshbomb]

Another quick question. Since I'll be running Epi and Form td at the same time, will I still need an extensive post cycle therapy like I would with Superdrol or another anabolic? I know with superdrol I ran nolva, DHEA, PowerFULL, Rebound XT, and Retain.

I just had a thought...anyone ever tried stacking Superdrol and Epistane together? Just a random crazy thought...

Week 1: 10 mg SD ed
Week 2: 20 mg SD ed
Week 3: 10 mg SD ed/ 20 mg Epi ed
Week 4: 30 mg Epi ed/Form 6 sprays 2xday
Week 5: 30 mg Epi ed/Form 6 sprays 2xday
Week 6: 40 mg Epi ed/Form 6 sprays 2xday
Week 7: Form 6 sprays 2xday/ and start normal PCT
Week 8-9: Normal PCT

I think I might just stick to Epi/Form td...that stack above looks like it might hurt.

Im currently stacking epi/SD in a pulse fashion with the form in pentrate only on off days. Loving it so far!:head:

 

[Nabisco]

Can you PM me the cycle your using?

 

[TripDog]

Im currently stacking epi/superdrol in a pulse fashion with the form in pentrate only on off days. Loving it so far!:head:

wow thats one estrogen slaughtering cycle,seriously you are def gonna have joint problems with that cycle imo..

 

[marshbomb]

wow thats one estrogen slaughtering cycle,seriously you are def gonna have joint problems with that cycle imo..

thanks for the input trip. ive been dosing glucosamine, msm, chond and also cissus and havent had trouble so far but then again i just finished 2 weeks so we'll see what happens.

 

[same_old]

wow thats one estrogen slaughtering cycle,seriously you are def gonna have joint problems with that cycle imo..

i disagree. epi isnt much of an anti-e, and neither is formestane, actually.

on a sidenote - i've been saying for years that form is good stuff. i dont know why it works so well, but even orally the stuff makes me break out, get super oily and horny and makes my scalp itch. it may be an SHBG binding thing coupled with AI action and also a conversion to hydroxytest...it all adds up to a potent substance, IMHO.

additionally, PA's advice about anything is generally worthless. his alliances, business involvement and shady ethics make him completely unreliable. that's not an opinion, that's a fact.

 

[celc5]

I had a quite lengthy exchange of information on formestane with thesinner and he said it would be ok to pass on what we discussed. Here's a basic collaboration of what we discussed:

-Formastane is a super-potent AI and ph of hydroxy-test (which is a weak steroid)

-Recommendations are 80-120mg TD per dose, 2x/day

-I personally see almost immediate results with as low as 20mg/dose at 2x/day

-thesinner says he has seen people go up to 400mg/day

-4 weeks of use to stack in a cycle should be safe

-Since form is very dry, we agreed that this could potentially be a good idea to stack with a PP, max lmg (T, isn't that similar to propadrol?), wet compounds, or aromatizing steroids that may cause gyno

-If used for post cycle therapy, it should be ramped up and then tapered to avoid rebound. thesinner had less of a libido boost with form in post cycle therapy than he did with other experiences

-4-hydroxy test (4-OHT) is only 65% as anabolic as testosterone. This will cause SOME hpta shutdown, but some believe it to be mild enough for use in post cycle therapy

-sinner says 84% reduction in estrogen from form!!! The highest is letro which is in the 90's

 

[thebigt]

google 'formestane'. on page 2, the 18th listing is 'aromatase inhibition in male athletes'. it's always good to get info first hand and this is a good place to start.:cheers:

 

[xcendo]

how's your endurance shaping up on this combo, t? are you doing any kind of cardio?

 

[thebigt]

how's your endurance shaping up on this combo, t? are you doing any kind of cardio?

this is an old log, i am done with pct now. i always include cardio. i am on a endurance/stamina stack now. poseidon/incarnate/bulk citulline and ragnarok on w/o days. just started rpm, when bottle is done will go back to leviathan. rpm is a good stim but i like levi better for fat burning. oh yeah finally going to try reset.:thumbsup:

 

[celc5]

this is an old log, i am done with post cycle therapy now. i always include cardio. i am on a endurance/stamina stack now. poseidon/incarnate/bulk citulline and ragnarok on w/o days. just started rpm, when bottle is done will go back to leviathan. rpm is a good stim but i like levi better for fat burning. oh yeah finally going to try reset.:thumbsup:

Is there anything that you HAVEN'T tried? :icon_lol:

 

[thebigt]

well i think im going to give 6oxoextreme a go after all, and i cant believe i havent tried reset ad yet. im making an order tom. and those 2 are on the list. thinking i might run biotest alpha male with the extreme, never tried that either. arent many i havent tried. twin lab andro-$12 at walgreens is still my all time favorite.izza:

 

[thesinner]

curious of feedback on this...could one uncap superdrol,and empy it into eform...this making a transderm superdrol??? or any ph for that matter...I added extra form and 6 oxo powder to my eform and loves it!!

Yes, but you wouldn't want to do that with most of these because they actually have a greater oral bioavailability (especially methyls like superdrol).

 

[same_old]

formestane is not a super-potent AI...unless thesinner is a doctor or lab tech with evidence showing otherwise, we'll have to stick with the existing literature on the substance which shows it being weaker than letro, dex and i think even aromasin. anyone who's used all these AIs will probably concur.

 

[thebigt]

formestane is not a super-potent AI...unless thesinner is a doctor or lab tech with evidence showing otherwise, we'll have to stick with the existing literature on the substance which shows it being weaker than letro, dex and i think even aromasin. anyone who's used all these AIs will probably concur.

it's probably the weakest one listed, but that still makes it pretty darn strong.

 

[thesinner]

formestane is not a super-potent AI...unless thesinner is a doctor or lab tech with evidence showing otherwise, we'll have to stick with the existing literature on the substance which shows it being weaker than letro, dex and i think even aromasin. anyone who's used all these AIs will probably concur.

I guess I may have come off a little bolder than I had intended (and for some reason, I had a feeling you would say something ). The main point that I wanted to display is that it is quite powerful for something that's available OTC. Despite it's weaker than them, it is still quite comparable to letro, dex, and aromasin . I compared it to letro to show how strong it was.

This article by Author L. Rea has a table showing some relative strengths of AI's.


Here's some more info I was able to dig up:

Letrozole has been shown to reduce estrogen levels by 98% or greater. (Clin Cancer Res. 2005 Apr 15;11(8):2809-21)

Aromasin averages an 85% rate of estrogen suppression. (Eur. J. Cancer. 2000, May;36(8):976-82)

Aromidex, both .5mg and 1mg doses of Arimidex were shown to decrease estrogen by roughly 50%. (J Clin Endocrinol Metab 2000 Jul;85(7):2370-7, "Estrogen Suppression in Males" )


That 84% mentioned is a figure for formestane is one that I've seen posted a couple of times on this board (in older posts), but haven't been able to dig it up yet.

 

[thebigt]

google 'formestane'. on page 2, the 18th listing is 'aromatase inhibition in male athletes'. it's always good to get info first hand and this is a good place to start.:cheers:

its now #16. in this article author l. rea lists formestane/4-andostenoldione as 91.9% at aromatase reduction. :hammer:

 

[thesinner]

Did a MOD edit out that URL I posted? Or did I forget to paste it? :think:

 

[thesinner]

Oh well, here it is again (in case I just forgot to paste it on):
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/rea/aromatase-inhibitors.htm

 

[Travis]

Oh well, here it is again (in case I just forgot to paste it on):
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/rea/aromatase-inhibitors.htm

Good link! Interesting though that he never references trans form. The info regarding IGF-1 was also quite interesting.

 

[celc5]

Oh well, here it is again (in case I just forgot to paste it on):
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/rea/aromatase-inhibitors.htm

Great link. By the way, feel free to explain or correct anything that I may have misinterpretted in the earlier post where I referenced you.

 

[TripDog]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to thesinner again.

 

[thebigt]

Did a MOD edit out that URL I posted? Or did I forget to paste it? :think:

nice catch kiddo, damn im still trying to figure out my 8 track player.:clap2:

 

[thesinner]

Great link. By the way, feel free to explain or correct anything that I may have misinterpretted in the earlier post where I referenced you.

It wasn't that you had misinterpretted it, but rather I had put a little bit of spin on that particular statement, which could be interpretted in the way Same_Old did.

 

[neoborn]

Can someone condense the trans / form / marble /penetrate process for others to follow? Some kind of guide? I would like to give this a cycle.

The document link someone posted mentioned very favourable results with 500mg a week, is this easy to apply / do / cost ratio?

Thanks in advance,

Neoborn

 

[celc5]

Can someone condense the trans / form / marble /penetrate process for others to follow? Some kind of guide? I would like to give this a cycle.

The document link someone posted mentioned very favourable results with 500mg a week, is this easy to apply / do / cost ratio?

Thanks in advance,

Neoborn

Neoborn, you are gonna love this stuff. Look around... all the cool kids are doing it :afro:

Dosage: I get fantastic results at 20mg 2x/day (280 mg/week). I can barely handle any more than 40 mg 2x/day (560mg/week). I start low and know within a day or 2 if I want to kick up the dosage or just sit on that dosage for about 3 weeks.

Application: I leave beads of water on my body after a shower. Spray into my hands and dab just a bit on my calves, quads, abs, chest, lats, bis... all muscle bellies. THEN I try to spread it evenly over those areas.

I've never heard of anyone doing this, but I put an every day moisturizer on after application because I feel it helps hold the moisture and supplement in the skin. Maybe this has something to do with me responding at such a low dose?

We can all assume that BigT stands in front of a mirror and flexes and he claims this increases absorption :lol:

I'll leave the "cooking" directions and cost/benefit to someone else. But whatever it costs, it's worth it!