bigt adds formestane to epi.
- 04-08-2007, 08:48 AM
- 04-08-2007, 09:29 AM
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04-08-2007, 11:00 AM
04-08-2007, 11:53 AM
thats cool jsouth glad you are enjpying its results already. most of the supps out right now cost a lot more and take 1 to 2 weeks to start getting effects. i feel form right away. good luck and let us know how its going.
04-08-2007, 02:13 PM
Hey, bigt I have a couple questions:
How long do you plan to stay on each compund?
How much trans formestane are you dosing?
What will be your post cycle therapy protocol?
04-09-2007, 09:20 AM
1 ive been on 4 ed since i started epi, will continue until bottle is done. 90 by 4 = 22.2 so a little over 3 weeks. 2. been doing 6 sprays 2xday. may cut back to once a day, the results have been amazing but i may have reached my threshhold. 3. for pct i have ralox, first choice was toremifene but was oos. ax pct/retain 2. on my 2nd bottle of paravol, started it before cycle and will run it through pct-good stuff. after 3 weeks will add hyperdrolx2 and mass fx. also will be doing poseidon,green mag, purple wrath. after that i will stay on the last 3 and maybe add resetad, incarnate,and leviathan which i really liked.
04-09-2007, 03:56 PM
Can someone please tell me the logic behind adding a steroidal AI(eform) to another steroidal AI(Epistane)? It seems like estrogen would get driven down to the dirt. For anyone who is trying this, how is it working?
04-10-2007, 08:15 AM
epi most resembles a serm not an ai. epi by most accounts is still thought of as a steriod. formestane imo is the best ai to run during a cycle because it 1. keeps gains lean 2. keeps libido up. 3.helps burn additional fat while on cycle. this stuff leans me out better than anything else ive tried, even on cycle while gaining pounds i look and feel leaner, less bloated than before i added it, not to mention my sex drive is as good or better than when i started epi cycle. if you take epi just to gain as much weight as you can dont take form. the form will decrease the pounds you gain while on cycle. but it will keep you lean.
04-10-2007, 04:02 PM
04-11-2007, 08:51 AM
you have to go with what works for you. for me i tend to put on a lot of weight on cycle, it works for me to run form on cycle because i dont gain as many pounds but i stay lean. im right at 255 so not looking to add a lot of bulk. i run cycles to improve strength and improve muscle to fat ratio. for me the form works well for what my goals are. epi is classified as a steriod, so sooner or later your libido will probably be affected, mine hit at week 2 of 4 caps ed. the form delivered as always.
04-11-2007, 11:48 AM
04-11-2007, 04:27 PM
04-12-2007, 02:20 PM
i'm on my 3rd week of epi and my first week of prostanozol stacked..
i take low dose letro before bed. but libido is SHOT...
my progesterone is outta whack so for me to use mfx alone isn't looking to smart for me, however what is the word on x-2.. is it strong enough ai now for mfx, i was like triple dosing on the original to keep my nips from itching... and gettin red..
i got caber and it solved that problemo, but not enough to continue it with mfx after pct.
i'm using ralox as well for pct, and from what i've read and what i've heard it's a better option imo than torem... if you are prone to gyno.. like me.
05-23-2007, 04:28 AM
Hey Big T, i ordered a month supply of formestane...
i'm planning a havoc cycle do you think my best bet would be using the form on cycle or pct along with everything else or maybe the last 2 weeks of the cycle and first 2 of pct?
05-23-2007, 07:51 PM
T, how the heck did this thread get past my radar? You're sneaky
Transdermal formestane is the CRAZIEST supp that I have ever taken! By far!!! In all honesty, I hit a lot of PR's during the form run while dropping fat like crazy... in only 3 weeks as a stand alone mind you.
I'm not sure what the exact dosage was on e-form. But I know I started out taking 4 sprays, 2 with morning shower, 2 with evening shower (spray it while the skins wet). I got some palpitations and sleepness nights so I eventually lowered it to 1 spray 2x/day and was just fine.
Again to support what T said, I have some man boobies (no gyno though) and it worked locally on my chest without a doubt.
Isn't form supposed to be suppressive? If that's the case, wouldn't it be a bad idea for pct?
05-23-2007, 08:22 PM
form makes me crazy horny. didnt use it as pct primarily, used it on cycle. i always run a serm pct-ralox being my favorite. im big on pct and run a lot of stuff like im doing now, so i ran form 2 weeks on and 2 weeks into pct, along with ralox and jw/restore/massfx. i wish i would have started incarnate on cycle. will never do another cycle without incarnate. oh i started paravol a month before cycle and ran it for close to 3 months-until it became too intense,lol!!!i walked 5 miles at track the other day with 40 lbs of ankle weights on. bench press is at 345 which is as high as its ever been, and im 49 yrs old. endurance is down a bit, but im probably as strong as ive ever been. the cissus in incarnate is a blessing.
05-23-2007, 09:03 PM
hey celc, go to discount anabolics and search hemadrol. on about page 8 you will find a hema/prostanzanol log by determined german. he started it but i finished it. i got a complete log of hema/prop there. man i loved that stack.
06-05-2007, 06:28 PM
BigT has been helping me set up a Hemadrol cycle and adding in TD formastane... goals are recomp.
Personally I get fantastic results with 20mg TD (1spary of eform) 2x/day.
I'm thinking of using the low dose form weeks 1-2 to "kick start" my cycle while the hemadrol takes it's time to really kick in.
Is there any reason to be hesistant to use eform for the whole ON cycle for 4 weeks? I've heard of shutdown from formastane in the past if you run it too long. But, now I'm having trouble finding similar info while doing more current searches.
06-05-2007, 06:40 PM
I posted on another forum that I thought formestane with 11-oxo or 3ad would be a great lean bulk or cut cycle with very little shutdown, but PA said formestane was weak and worthless, but I've used it in the past as well as a lot of you guys so what is your opionion on a fomestane/11-oxo cycle.
06-05-2007, 06:50 PM
06-05-2007, 07:01 PM
i personally have never experienced shutdown on formestane, just the opposite. go to bulk nutrition and look for dermabolics under manufacturer. click on e-form and go to reviews. this is the most highly reviewed product on there. i suggest you dont buy from there-from personal experience.
06-05-2007, 07:15 PM
The reason I'm concerned, is that I've just never ran it for more than about 3 weeks OR stacked it with an oral before.
You think 4 weeks straight while ON is too long? Any pyramiding up or tapering down necessary?
06-05-2007, 07:55 PM
speaking of form.. did i just waste 30 bucks or what?.. hear me out
When i first recieved the formestane/penetrate i simply put the form into the bottle of penetrate than put the bottle in a sink full of hot (not boiling) water... shook it up some more but later noticed the powder was sinking to the bottom a day or two later, i put the contents of the bottle in a measuring glass and put that glass in boiling water and stirred the contents of the glass.. i put the liquid back in the penetrate bottle and shook it up... now there seems to be some oil sticking together on the bottom of the bottle and the penetrate liquid on the top... is there anything i can do to ressurect the form/penetrate or is it as good as gone?
06-05-2007, 08:36 PM
go to nutra planet forum-look for a thread 'formestane and penetrate', lots of useful info there. good luck.
06-05-2007, 09:00 PM
I just got my form and penetrate today. I moved it to a glass vase and put it in slightly boiling water. I then slowly a little at a time put in the form, shook it and then put it back in the water. So far so good I think but I just did it about 8 hours ago so we will see what happens. You may try putting a marble or somethin in there to break it up when you shake it. I didnt have a marble so I put a small socket in my bottle, seems to be working OK.
06-05-2007, 10:02 PM
~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!
06-05-2007, 10:09 PM
06-05-2007, 10:12 PM
I have my moments.
By the way t, I started my form on Sunday and so far I'm liking it. Going to start stacking it with RPM and some bulk nettle to see how it goes.
~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!
06-05-2007, 10:30 PM
06-08-2007, 05:06 PM
I was looking into something good to stack with my Epistane cycle coming up in a few weeks and I have been trying for the past two years to get rid of the fat on my chest (not gyno, had doctor check) and so this thread has me as excited as a teenager watching his first porno. Quick question though...once I combine the formestane and penetrate in a glass container and heat it up and dissolve it. What kind of spray bottle did you guys put it in? Just a normal plastic spray bottle? I'm curious because everyone has said its a little gritty and I don't want the solution jamming up the spray bottle. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
06-08-2007, 05:08 PM
06-08-2007, 05:15 PM
So Im assuming that means transfer the penetrate into a glass container to dissolve the formestane in, then just replace the solution back into the penetrate spray bottle? If so, it can't get much easier. Thanks.
06-08-2007, 05:18 PM
06-08-2007, 05:23 PM
Another quick question. Since I'll be running Epi and Form td at the same time, will I still need an extensive pct like I would with Superdrol or another anabolic? I know with SD I ran nolva, DHEA, PowerFULL, Rebound XT, and Retain.
I just had a thought...anyone ever tried stacking Superdrol and Epistane together? Just a random crazy thought...
Week 1: 10 mg SD ed
Week 2: 20 mg SD ed
Week 3: 10 mg SD ed/ 20 mg Epi ed
Week 4: 30 mg Epi ed/Form 6 sprays 2xday
Week 5: 30 mg Epi ed/Form 6 sprays 2xday
Week 6: 40 mg Epi ed/Form 6 sprays 2xday
Week 7: Form 6 sprays 2xday/ and start normal PCT
Week 8-9: Normal PCT
I think I might just stick to Epi/Form td...that stack above looks like it might hurt.
06-08-2007, 05:35 PM
06-08-2007, 08:27 PM
06-08-2007, 08:33 PM
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06-08-2007, 11:40 PM
06-09-2007, 12:26 AM
on a sidenote - i've been saying for years that form is good stuff. i dont know why it works so well, but even orally the stuff makes me break out, get super oily and horny and makes my scalp itch. it may be an SHBG binding thing coupled with AI action and also a conversion to hydroxytest...it all adds up to a potent substance, IMHO.
additionally, PA's advice about anything is generally worthless. his alliances, business involvement and shady ethics make him completely unreliable. that's not an opinion, that's a fact.
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