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    Quote Originally Posted by John33 View Post
    Natty, on workout days, can Enhanced be taken 3.5-4 hours after taking 4.4 grams of Alphamine? Thanks.
    We will advise the following:::

    Alphamine has 125mg caffeine per scoop. So does Enhanced. We recommend no one to consume more than 400mgs caffeine in a day, and nor more than 300mg in a 6-8 hour period before using more

    So if you work out in the AM - 2 scoops enhanced preworkout, 1 Alphamine in the afternoon

    If you workout in the evening: 1 Alphamine in the AM, 2 Enhanced preworkout
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    We will advise the following...
    Got it, thank you Natty.

    One more question: My understanding is that Enhanced contains nitrates of some kind. I have heard that nitrates can cause cancer and other health problems. Is it true?
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    Quote Originally Posted by John33 View Post
    Got it, thank you Natty.

    One more question: My understanding is that Enhanced contains nitrates of some kind. I have heard that nitrates can cause cancer and other health problems. Is it true?
    There's no evidence to suggest that. In fact, we all eat nitrates every day (if you have a whole diet).

    The reason some people think this is because nitrates can form free radicals (along with many other things in your diet), but that is why taking a daily anti-oxidant is always good in general. In Enhanced, you will find two anti-oxidants. Vitamin C and Pomegranate Fruit Extract
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    There's no evidence to suggest that. In fact, we all eat nitrates every day (if you have a whole diet).
    I have even read that some vegetables, such as celery, for example, contains more nitrates than lunch meat, but it is one thing to get nitrates from food and another to get it in a concentrated form as a supplement, or so the argument goes. This is what I have heard: It is like the difference between eating an apple or an orange vs. drinking an orange or apple juice. Both contain sugar, but the juice contains a lot more sugar in a concentrated form without any fiber, which spikes insulin and blood sugar a lot higher than just eating fruit. In addition, to get the same amount of sugar from eating fruit, one would need to eat a lot, which usually does not happen, but it is easy to drink a glass or two of orange juice.

    Is the sugar/fruit example relevant to nitrates? I respect and trust your opinion, so I am just trying to understand, not arguing.

    The reason some people think this is because nitrates can form free radicals (along with many other things in your diet), but that is why taking a daily anti-oxidant is always good in general. In Enhanced, you will find two anti-oxidants. Vitamin C and Pomegranate Fruit.Extract
    I have heard that, too, but my question is: Do I need to take any other anti-oxidants to counteract nitrates in addition to what is already in Enhanced? If yes, what is the dosage?

    Thanks a lot for educating on this subject and I cannot wait to try Enhanced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John33 View Post

    I have heard that, too, but my question is: Do I need to take any other anti-oxidants to counteract nitrates in addition to what is already in Enhanced? If yes, what is the dosage?

    Thanks a lot for educating on this subject and I cannot wait to try Enhanced.
    If your diet is balanced and has veggies and fruits I would say there is no need to add additional anti-oxidants to counteract the nitrate dosage in Enhanced. I am sure Natty formulated it be fine without the addition of anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    There's no evidence to suggest that. In fact, we all eat nitrates every day (if you have a whole diet).

    The reason some people think this is because nitrates can form free radicals (along with many other things in your diet), but that is why taking a daily anti-oxidant is always good in general. In Enhanced, you will find two anti-oxidants. Vitamin C and Pomegranate Fruit Extract
    exercise forms free radicals...

    Cancer is a chronic condition not an acute one....If you take chronicallly use something in large amounts over years and years, you could be a risk,
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    Nitrates from vegetable sources are safe because the veggies have intrinsic antioxidants that elimination gastric nitrosation. Co-ingesting vitamin C with nitrates will have the same protective effect.

    Nitrates in meat come jampacked with a whopping zero antioxidants and other nasty compounds that can actually make the effects of nitrates unfavorable.

    On the whole, nitrates are actually rather healthy when used in a manner that prevents nitrosamine formation (i.e. with vitamin C). This is why I liked C-bol so much (and why I yell at Purus for Condense!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    If your diet is balanced and has veggies and fruits I would say there is no need to add additional anti-oxidants to counteract the nitrate dosage in Enhanced. I am sure Natty formulated it be fine without the addition of anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Co-ingesting vitamin C with nitrates will have the same protective effect.
    Is there a ratio of nitrates to vitamin C that one can use as a guideline? Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John33 View Post
    Is there a ratio of nitrates to vitamin C that one can use as a guideline? Thanks.
    You want 100mg-500mg of vitamin C with a bolus of nitrates. I like ~250mg
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Nice find. I've also made a couple long posts to this effect if someone can dig them up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    We will advise the following:::

    Alphamine has 125mg caffeine per scoop. So does Enhanced. We recommend no one to consume more than 400mgs caffeine in a day, and nor more than 300mg in a 6-8 hour period before using more

    So if you work out in the AM - 2 scoops enhanced preworkout, 1 Alphamine in the afternoon

    If you workout in the evening: 1 Alphamine in the AM, 2 Enhanced preworkout
    Why not? Love VPX Friction (400mg caffeine per scoop) - no probs at all .I'm even adding extra SNS Agmatine.. The amount of caffeine/stims each person consumes pre-workout highly depends on his tolerance level. Mine is high and 125mg caffeine per scoop is waaaay to low- i won't even feel it.I hope Enhanced will deliver because despite the fact im a huge PES fan i don't like the idea of me using 2-2.5 scoops every time.Oh-and pls bring more than 2 flavors this time-green apple or lime will be very nice-kind of tired of fruit punch and raspberry lemonade-we need more options.Tnx
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaltherP99 View Post
    Why not? Love VPX Friction (400mg caffeine per scoop) - no probs at all .I'm even adding extra SNS Agmatine.. The amount of caffeine each person consumes pre-workout highly depends on his tolerance level. Mine is high and 125mg per scoop is waaaay to low- i won't even feel it.I hope Enhanced will deliver because despite the fact im a huge PES fan i don't like the idea of me using 2-2.5 scoops every time.Oh-and pls bring more than 2 flavors this time-green apple or lime will be very nice-kind of tired of fruit punch and raspberry lemonade-we need more options.Tnx
    Caffeine is only one part of the product. There are other ingredients that will provide energy and focus irregardless of the caffeine content. Shouldn't be any need to dose over 2 scoops regardless of caffeine tolerance (even the most stimulant tolerant reviewers so far have found 2 scoops to be more than plenty).

    If all goes well I wouldn't doubt the addition of extra flavor options down the road.
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    I can attest. This is MUCH more than caffeine. I thought the same thing with craze which has about 160 of caffeine at 2 scoops. They are both way more than caffeine
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaltherP99 View Post
    Why not? Love VPX Friction (400mg caffeine per scoop) - no probs at all .I'm even adding extra SNS Agmatine.. The amount of caffeine/stims each person consumes pre-workout highly depends on his tolerance level. Mine is high and 125mg caffeine per scoop is waaaay to low- i won't even feel it.I hope Enhanced will deliver because despite the fact im a huge PES fan i don't like the idea of me using 2-2.5 scoops every time.Oh-and pls bring more than 2 flavors this time-green apple or lime will be very nice-kind of tired of fruit punch and raspberry lemonade-we need more options.Tnx
    400 mg's of caffeine for most people is a hefty amount for most anyone. No knock at Friction but it is marketed as a one scoop preworkout. While Enhanced having a lower amount of caffeine won't steer people away from it. Cause not everyone needs 400 mg's of caffeine, I was always good with one scoop of Alphamine. With Enhanced one scoop had me feeling pretty darn good i imagine 1.5 will be a good spot for me. Plus with Enhanced it works on so many pathways its not just another run of the mill preworkout. Natty put a lot of thought and time into this product, and trust me it will be worth the wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrepNwa23 View Post
    Cause not everyone needs 400 mg's of caffeine
    Truth but 400mg works for me.
    Quote Originally Posted by PrepNwa23 View Post
    I was always good with one scoop of Alphamine.
    Started my first Alphamine run with 1.5 scoops but it was not enough for me.2 scoops - i felt good...but 2.5 scoops was my sweet spot.
    Quote Originally Posted by PrepNwa23 View Post
    Natty put a lot of thought and time into this product, and trust me it will be worth the wait.
    PES never disappointed me before-will see .I hope it won't be too pricey for me to use because of my high stims tolerance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaltherP99 View Post
    Why not? Love VPX Friction (400mg caffeine per scoop) - no probs at all .I'm even adding extra SNS Agmatine.. The amount of caffeine/stims each person consumes pre-workout highly depends on his tolerance level. Mine is high and 125mg caffeine per scoop is waaaay to low- i won't even feel it.I hope Enhanced will deliver because despite the fact im a huge PES fan i don't like the idea of me using 2-2.5 scoops every time.Oh-and pls bring more than 2 flavors this time-green apple or lime will be very nice-kind of tired of fruit punch and raspberry lemonade-we need more options.Tnx
    You are a very rare person who likes 400mgs of caffeine...even people who consider themselves pretty stim tolerant wouldnt enjoy 400mgs at once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    If all goes well I wouldn't doubt the addition of extra flavor options down the road.
    So basically you're saying Enhanced will be available only in fruit punch and raspberry lemonade (again) .... at least from the start? I don't like the idea of my pre-workout product and my thermogenic/hardening agent to taste the same .
    And i won't be the only one using those 2 in a stack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaltherP99 View Post

    So basically you're saying Enhanced will be available only in fruit punch and raspberry lemonade (again) .... at least from the start? I don't like the idea of my pre-workout product and my thermogenic/hardening agent to taste the same .
    And i won't be the only one using those 2 in a stack.
    It will be available in blue raspberry when its released.
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    Quote Originally Posted by breezy11 View Post
    It will be available in blue raspberry when its released.
    Only?
    Tnx-that's a strange decision...I just hope PES will bring more options soon-no one will drink the same drink like 2 or more months in a row 4-5 times a week-no matter how good the taste is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaltherP99 View Post

    Only?
    Tnx-that's a strange decision...I just hope PES will bring more options soon-no one will drink the same drink like 2 or more months in a row 4-5 times a week-no matter how good the taste is.
    I think blue razz and fruit punch will be available, but I'm not 100% on that. Someone from PES could probably give you a definite answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaltherP99 View Post

    Why not? Love VPX Friction (400mg caffeine per scoop) - no probs at all .I'm even adding extra SNS Agmatine.. The amount of caffeine/stims each person consumes pre-workout highly depends on his tolerance level. Mine is high and 125mg caffeine per scoop is waaaay to low- i won't even feel it.I hope Enhanced will deliver because despite the fact im a huge PES fan i don't like the idea of me using 2-2.5 scoops every time.Oh-and pls bring more than 2 flavors this time-green apple or lime will be very nice-kind of tired of fruit punch and raspberry lemonade-we need more options.Tnx
    400mg caffeine? You're in the minority.

    Throw in a caffeine tab if you really need to.
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    Blue Razz and Fruit Punch for initial release
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    Fruit punch and blue raspberry will be the initial flavor releases. Fruit punch is one of the most popular supplement flavors and we only have two glavored products right now and hopefully we can get more flavors in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    Blue Razz and Fruit Punch for initial release
    Blue Razz... Yummy. All I know is RL & FP Alphamine flavors are amazing so I wouldn't expect anything less from Enhanced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaltherP99 View Post
    Truth but 400mg works for me.Started my first Alphamine run with 1.5 scoops but it was not enough for me.2 scoops - i felt good...but 2.5 scoops was my sweet spot.PES never disappointed me before-will see .I hope it won't be too pricey for me to use because of my high stims tolerance.
    If you have a high stimulant tolerance you would be better served adding a small amount of caffeine to a pre workout product than just multiplying the doses. The doses we use of agmatine, leucine nitrate and other ingredients (not disclosed yet) are hefty enough that going over the recommended dose is 1) not necessary 2) expensive when you are only looking at bumping up the caffeine.

    I use huge doses of stimulants (have used 800mg pre workout before) but can attest that two scoops of Enhanced feels strong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post

    400mg caffeine? You're in the minority.

    Throw in a caffeine tab if you really need to.
    I also want to remind you that the 125mg of caffeine is not the only stimulant, when you look at everything combined "higenamine, SA2-A" etc you are looking at a way more powerful product. Some people think it is super strong at one scoop who are used to just caffeine. If you want to go the super crazy route throw in a SS methyl-Synephrine tab. Or do what I would do and do an Adrenal Reset of some kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post

    Blue Razz... Yummy. All I know is RL & FP Alphamine flavors are amazing so I wouldn't expect anything less from Enhanced.
    I am not a fan of FP and the only flavor I dislike more is blue razz, but these actually taste great!! Needless to say I was once again blown away by the flavors. Keep it up!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by d1sc1ple View Post

    I am not a fan of FP and the only flavor I dislike more is blue razz, but these actually taste great!! Needless to say I was once again blown away by the flavors. Keep it up!!
    Ya for sure. Some FP flavors I've tried sucked but Alphamine flavor was top notch. Also Blue Razz is going to be a favorite I do believe.
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    Any leads on premier deal/ package? Alphamine + Anabeta + Enhanced?? Pleassssse
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    Quote Originally Posted by 804 View Post
    Any leads on premier deal/ package? Alphamine + Anabeta + Enhanced?? Pleassssse
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    Quote Originally Posted by 804
    Any leads on premier deal/ package? Alphamine + Anabeta + Enhanced?? Pleassssse
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post

    Ya for sure. Some FP flavors I've tried sucked but Alphamine flavor was top notch. Also Blue Razz is going to be a favorite I do believe.
    The blue razz is very good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrepNwa23 View Post

    The blue razz is very good.
    I bet it is
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post

    I bet it is
    Granted you won't be disappointed with ether flavor id go blue razz for now just to switch it up from the Fruit Punch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrepNwa23 View Post

    Granted you won't be disappointed with ether flavor id go blue razz for now just to switch it up from the Fruit Punch.
    Ya I feel ya. Will for sure be gettin on some blue razz Enhanced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrepNwa23 View Post

    The blue razz is very good.
    Im not typically a blue razz fan but It looks like enhanced changed that for me. Stuff tastes amazing!
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