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    protocol baby!!!


    thanks so much to genomyx for letting me log this amazing product....i have never used a product with creatin-o- phospohate.

    i just came off a lo of purus labs condense which was awsome!!! i ained about 5 lbs and am now about 155.

    i will also be using jacked micro, multivitamin fish oil, and finafle creatona when it arrives. I think addin protocol to this will only keep my gains increasing!!!!

    i am also on trt i know at the age of 22 thats pretty messed up but it is what it is, i hope o be able to come off at some point but that hastn happened in the past. I only take 100mgs a week up test cyp.

    i follow if stlye diet with calories from 3600-4600 on w/o days depending on activity level and 2400-3000 or so on rest days dpeendin on how much cardio and if i do abs or not which i tend to do lol, i dont like taking days off, probably one of my biggest problems.

    my splits is chest/tris, back/bis, shoulders/traps, chest/arms, legs, repeat.......... i also throw in abs and calves on opposing days and rest days.

    i start each worout with a heavy basic movement for low reps then a speed move and then go into hypertrophy rep ranges with drop sets.


    really looking forward to seeing how much i can improve throughout this log!

    i will be taking protocol intraworkout sometimes and before my biggest pwo meal at other tiems but i will mostly use it as an intra workout sinc i will be fasting and the leucine will help also i want to take adantage of teh other incredients that seem to be benficial during the intraworkout window!

    thanks again!

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    ?...condense is over
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post
    ?...condense is over
    Creatrona, jack3d micro, this.
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    yea, they all o togehter with no overlap,, and im gonna log the crap out of each one!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkretz
    yea, they all o togehter with no overlap,, and im gonna log the crap out of each one!
    It just seems selfish and unfair to other members and the companies IMO. Me personally when I log something I haven't used before I only use staples or something I have a lot of experience with.
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    What kind of product is this? BCAA?
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    it has leucine, creatin-o-phosphate, agmatine and LCLT
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkretz
    it has leucine, creatin-o-phosphate, agmatine and LCLT
    So basically 2 preworkouts?
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    So you have never used creatin-o-phosphate, and you are going to log another creatine product at the same time? How could you possibly provide accurate feedback on both. In addition to providing feedback on the Jack3d micro's pumps when you are also taking Agmatine in the protocol. Not trying to hate man but it does seem like running this many logs with products you haven't tried is going to be tough to differentiate what product is doing what, and that isn't that fair to the companies running these generous promos.
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    COP is not creatine. It's a product that helps with building endurance. Similar to beta alanine but with out the tingles.

    This product will aid in recovery, pumps and endurance.

    Thanks for posting link! I'm in to see results
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    Quote Originally Posted by sawa3
    COP is not creatine. It's a product that helps with building endurance. Similar to beta alanine but with out the tingles.

    This product will aid in recovery, pumps and endurance.

    Thanks for posting link! I'm in to see results
    Yep but a product with COP to increase endurance, plus noots to increase focus, and agmatine to increase pumps sounds very similar to everything the jack3d micro is supposed to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sawa3 View Post
    COP is not creatine. It's a product that helps with building endurance. Similar to beta alanine but with out the tingles.

    This product will aid in recovery, pumps and endurance.

    Thanks for posting link! I'm in to see results
    My mistake, there was no information about the product or ingredients in the OP so I wasn't really sure what it was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sawa3 View Post
    COP is not creatine. It's a product that helps with building endurance. Similar to beta alanine but with out the tingles.

    This product will aid in recovery, pumps and endurance.

    Thanks for posting link! I'm in to see results
    exactly why i stopped using beta alanine while taking protocol.......also i will be taking protocol before my pwo meal which will allow me to auge pumps from micro, also there is no creatine in micro according to the label and protocol has no creatine either so once again they do not oer lap at all
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    i am sorry u guys dont agre with this but i am going to lo them and log them well....i dont wanna be the bad guy on here im just tryin to make gains like everyone else and i really feel that i will be able to differentiate and look forward to continued progress and i really hope you guys will stick around and provide feedback throughout the log
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkretz

    exactly why i stopped using beta alanine while taking protocol.......also i will be taking protocol before my pwo meal which will allow me to auge pumps from micro, also there is no creatine in micro according to the label and protocol has no creatine either so once again they do not oer lap at all
    Are you kidding or just stupid? Jack3d micro is a preworkout consisting of stimulants to improve power and endurance and nitric oxide boosters to increase pump, vasodilation, and endurance. Mixed with protocol which has COP to increase endurance (among other things) and agmatine sulfate (which is a major player in micro) and LCLT which increases focus which is one of the main selling points of any stimulant containing pre. Not to mention you also tried to get MASS HGH from Lecheek. I wonder if any of the reps you worked over knew you were logging their products along with 3 other products that you've never used. I know for a fact that Marms didn't.
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    todays workout was chest/tris and had increases on all lifts! i was lucky enough to have a spotter for a change so i took advantage of it with heavy sets with forced reps.

    bench

    145x8
    155x8 +1 rep from last week
    165x8 +3 reps from last week
    165x6+2
    170x4+2

    epxplosive bench
    10 sets of 3 with short rests 105lbs all focused on speed

    1 as many set with constant tension....120 x 15 +3

    incline barbell

    115x12 +3 from last week
    125x8
    125x8
    125x6+2

    DB decline 4 sets 12-15 with 45lbs, very controlled, constant tension

    BW dips 4 sets between 12-15 on all sets

    incline hammer strength

    110x12
    110x10 drop 90 x 4
    110x11 drop 70x4 50x11

    machine flys - 3 sets drop on last set all sets supersetted with push ups

    vbar pushdown

    4 sets drop on last 2 sets, double drop on last set

    rev grip oerhead cable ext 3 sets 10-12 with drop on last set.

    dip machine 3 sets supersetted with cg pushups

    standing rope crunch - really like these, feel like im really able to overload my abs

    lying cable rev crunch - - another great way to overload the abs...lay on the ground and put your feet in handles and do rev. crunches, good stuff!!

    cable chops 4 sets

    ab coaster to the sides 4 sets of 30!

    started to loose my focu thinking about my pwo meal and studying and what not but oerall a very solid workout, i feel like i was really able to oerload my chest with the heavier weights and forced reps so im happy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    Are you kidding or just stupid? Jack3d micro is a preworkout consisting of stimulants to improve power and endurance and nitric oxide boosters to increase pump, vasodilation, and endurance. Mixed with protocol which has COP to increase endurance (among other things) and agmatine sulfate (which is a major player in micro) and LCLT which increases focus which is one of the main selling points of any stimulant containing pre. Not to mention you also tried to get MASS HGH from Lecheek. I wonder if any of the reps you worked over knew you were logging their products along with 3 other products that you've never used. I know for a fact that Marms didn't.
    taking them at different times though
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    im really not here to try and "steal" products or anythig like taht, jsut tryin out new things and i can tell yo uthat i hae continues to buy things that i have loed in the past....
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    little note on protocol, taste is pretty good, tastes lik ea creamsickle however it does not completely dissolve, it is kind of gritty, i dont really mind it but soem people may find that unappealing
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkretz
    todays workout was chest/tris and had increases on all lifts! i was lucky enough to have a spotter for a change so i took advantage of it with heavy sets with forced reps.

    bench

    145x8
    155x8 +1 rep from last week
    165x8 +3 reps from last week
    165x6+2
    170x4+2

    epxplosive bench
    10 sets of 3 with short rests 105lbs all focused on speed

    1 as many set with constant tension....120 x 15 +3

    incline barbell

    115x12 +3 from last week
    125x8
    125x8
    125x6+2

    DB decline 4 sets 12-15 with 45lbs, very controlled, constant tension

    BW dips 4 sets between 12-15 on all sets

    incline hammer strength

    110x12
    110x10 drop 90 x 4
    110x11 drop 70x4 50x11

    machine flys - 3 sets drop on last set all sets supersetted with push ups

    vbar pushdown

    4 sets drop on last 2 sets, double drop on last set

    rev grip oerhead cable ext 3 sets 10-12 with drop on last set.

    dip machine 3 sets supersetted with cg pushups

    standing rope crunch - really like these, feel like im really able to overload my abs

    lying cable rev crunch - - another great way to overload the abs...lay on the ground and put your feet in handles and do rev. crunches, good stuff!!

    cable chops 4 sets

    ab coaster to the sides 4 sets of 30!

    started to loose my focu thinking about my pwo meal and studying and what not but oerall a very solid workout, i feel like i was really able to oerload my chest with the heavier weights and forced reps so im happy!
    Not to be negative but the fact that you do the ab coaster makes me question a lot of things...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkretz

    taking them at different times though
    Why would that change anything besides a stimulant effect? The majority of the ingredients in protocol are best when used over an extended period of time so any increases in endurance or strength over time could come from the protocol and not the jack3d micro and you would never know the difference. On top of the effect that the nitric oxide from agmatine is not only an acute effect and very often increases over time. How would you tell the difference in pump coming from protocol or micro?
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    Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa View Post
    Not to be negative but the fact that you do the ab coaster makes me question a lot of things...
    haha i usually dont but it was open, and i really focused on contractions not just swining with tons of weight like alot of people do
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    Today was a back/bi workout............overall not hte best workout ive had in a whle but i did a couple different things, felt like i ot a good amount accomplished faster that normal as well...pumps seemed less today though, not too sure why.........

    Low rack DL - shouldve just done them from the floor with how close it was anyways lol......quads are still pretty sor from my leg wrokout a few days ago so i didnt want to stress the quads too much....i think thats why my weihts arent that great

    245x8
    265x8
    275x8
    275x5+3
    from floor-315x1, 335x1

    explosive DL from ground - 155x10x3

    bent over row - not perfect form but still try to keep the negatie under control

    145x15
    155x12+3
    165x12
    175x12+3 drop 135x15

    prone row machine

    3 sets 10-12

    tbar "machine" - has handles that tate so i would start with palms facing me and twist to a neutral grip, real good contractions!
    4 sets 10-12 with drop on last set

    low cable row 3 sets 12-15 with double clutch at peack contraction ....reall good contractions

    one arm smith machine row - in place of 1 arm DB row.....liked them alot suprisingly, as lon as you keep a good arch in ur back u get a really good lat contraction!

    str8 arm pulldown ss with neutral grip pulldown - goa good pump from teh pull downs for sure

    biceps


    1 arm db over bench straight up....these are by far my new faavorite exercise............. i get such a good mind muscle connection and burn from these, reat contractions as well..........jsut gotta get my right arm to catch up to my left....i was stronger on these by alot today though!

    cross body hammer curls 3 sets 10-12 with drop on last set

    twist curl 3 sets 10-12 drop on last set

    one arm cable preacher 3 sets 12-15
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    today was an off day, did some foam rolling ( probably not enough) my body is a big ball of knots, esp, my quads, i dont think i have ever not been in horrible pain every tiem i roll my quads....not too sure why....also, i will try to put up pics tonight
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkretz
    today was an off day, did some foam rolling ( probably not enough) my body is a big ball of knots, esp, my quads, i dont think i have ever not been in horrible pain every tiem i roll my quads....not too sure why....also, i will try to put up pics tonight
    You ever roll out the IT band, that sh!t is tight as fuark on me!
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    yea.....my tear drop is always HORRIBLE!!!!, IT band is worse than normal right now as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkretz
    yea.....my tear drop is always HORRIBLE!!!!, IT band is worse than normal right now as well
    I have patella femoral pain syndrome, it blows. Basically they told me that when I run and my hamstrings and quads contract it moves my patella and irritates the tendons/ligaments in the joint. The only thing that has helped (besides pain killers) is foam rolling my legs so that they aren't as tight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    I have patella femoral pain syndrome, it blows. Basically they told me that when I run and my hamstrings and quads contract it moves my patella and irritates the tendons/ligaments in the joint. The only thing that has helped (besides pain killers) is foam rolling my legs so that they aren't as tight.
    that doesnt sound good at all....... seems lik it will wear down your tendons and ligaments over time, that would stink
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkretz

    that doesnt sound good at all....... seems lik it will wear down your tendons and ligaments over time, that would stink
    I'm a paratrooper bro. My job wears down my tendons and ligaments. And.it does but being military they are more for.masking problems than fixing them, they recommended the cortisone injection but that will only mask pain and I will still damage my knees so it iisn't worth it to me.
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    very fast paced chest/arms work out today

    ido2chest workouts a week one with tris with heavierweihts and one with arms with hiher reps and shorter rest periods.

    DB incline fly 3 sets 12-15
    DB press 3 sets 12-15
    DB flat fly 3 sets 12-15
    DBflat press with twist 3 sets 12-15
    DB decline fly 3 sets 12-15
    DB decline press 3 sets 12-15
    3 sets of peck deck focusing on the last portion of the motion for a good squeeze
    3 sets wide press hammer strenth 12-15

    lockout bench 4 sets 6-8 (focusing ontris)
    rope pushdown ss bench dips 12-15 and as many on dips
    rev grip pushdown 3 sets 12-15
    cable kickback 3 sets 12-15

    one arm db over bench (get stroner on these each time) 4 sets to failure 15s used to be real tough now 20s are getting lighter and lighter!
    e-z bar cable curl 4 sets with drop on last set, double drop on last set
    high cable curl fst-7 style
    one arm cable hammer curl 3 sets 12-15 with drop on last set

    hanging leg raises 10x10 really tryin to control the negative
    decline crunch


    pumps were really ood today and carbs were non exsistent yest so that was pleasantly suprising, i think the high reps and short rest periods really helped....felt really good throughout......also ended up doing alot of cardio to study for tons of test i have next week so cals are at 4700!!!! yes u read that right, finishing up the last bit now with some ice cream and a quest bar!!!!,
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick

    Are you kidding or just stupid? Jack3d micro is a preworkout consisting of stimulants to improve power and endurance and nitric oxide boosters to increase pump, vasodilation, and endurance. Mixed with protocol which has COP to increase endurance (among other things) and agmatine sulfate (which is a major player in micro) and LCLT which increases focus which is one of the main selling points of any stimulant containing pre. Not to mention you also tried to get MASS HGH from Lecheek. I wonder if any of the reps you worked over knew you were logging their products along with 3 other products that you've never used. I know for a fact that Marms didn't.
    My guess is stupid
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    just so everyone knows i am waitin till after tehse logs to log creatona cuz that could easily be mistaken with jacked micros effects......
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkretz
    just so everyone knows i am waitin till after tehse logs to log creatona cuz that could easily be mistaken with jacked micros effects......
    But protocol couldn't?
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    didnt think of it and i started using it.......i still feel like i can give a good log
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkretz
    didnt think of it and i started using it.......i still feel like i can give a good log
    Didn't think of it? I brought it up on post 2 bro....
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