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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver

    Yah that's smart during PCT and I want to maintain or gain very slowly over the nex tfew months ... then back into prep ... oops I didn't say that don't tell my wife....
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    Quote Originally Posted by huggy77
    not sure if this is the place but rick, where can i find your full PCT regimen... I am entering week 3 of helladrol/katanadrol and i want to make sure my PCT is lined up correctly... I am going to throw in some ostarine though...
    anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/202262-new-chapter-rickrocks.html

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    Dosed 6 pumps FormaSurge (3 pumpsx2)

    Well, I've pretty much dried out to where I want to be after the good burn day I had yesterday. So, I carbed up big time today eating an entire large and thick pizza for my fast breaker and having another nice dirty meal of a triple bacon cheeseburger and fries for my last meal...lol. Weight will undoubtedly be up a couple lbs tomorrow, but I like to carb up big on Fridays, since I burn for two days in a row on the weekend. I'm going to try and dry and clean up some more this weekend, then it's on to PCT....


    The FormaSurge is doing everything as promised so far. I'm drying up quickly, I have a great feeling in every workout, and my libido is continuing strong even though the compounds in my bloodstream are dwindling down. So far, so good!


    Today's workout was pretty good. Once again progression in everything, with a nice weight jump again for hams and quads. I am starting to get some real good strength in my legs, and they have definitely made the most progress. They are thicker, more defined, and more vascular than they have ever been!


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    Good to hear! Thanks for the opportunity!
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    Dosed FormaSurge at 4 pumps (2 pumpsx2)

    Well, I was surprised to wake up today and look lean as hell, and a scale weight that was about a half pound less than yesterday, despite the HUGE amount of carbs I had yesterday. I do look very full from the carb up, but just very very dry and lean this morning. Probably more dry and lean than I have looked for a very long time! So, this tells me that the water is falling right off of me. This is probably from a couple different things. First, the test in my system is going down by the day, so the water retained from it is getting less and less....and also the FormaSurge I've been running to lower the water and estrogen further, especially considering the higher dose of Formestane I've been running (150mg). So now I am lowering the dose back down to a more normal dose of 4 pumps per day at 100mg Forma.

    Needless to say, at only 6 days on FormaSurge, I'm very pleased with the quick and impressive results from it so far!


    Did some LISS cardio this morning walking the treadmill for 60 minutes (3.5 MPH@10% incline) burning a total of 750 cals. This helped make me look dry and lean even further, and I'm strongly considering taking some pics this weekend, because of how pleased I am with how I look right now. I really need some beginning of PCT pics anyways.

    Speaking of PCT, I decided to start PCT supplements today, instead of 2 days from now so I'm calling this day 1 of 30 for PCT. My last pin was a lower dose than normal, so my thinking is that my levels are probably down enough to the point that starting PCT now makes perfect sense. A couple days really wouldn't make a difference either way, but anyways I started today!
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    Looks like a great start to a PCT. It pleases me when I see PCT done properly. I bet you'll keep gaining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Dosed FormaSurge at 4 pumps (2 pumpsx2)

    Well, I was surprised to wake up today and look lean as hell, and a scale weight that was about a half pound less than yesterday, despite the HUGE amount of carbs I had yesterday. I do look very full from the carb up, but just very very dry and lean this morning. Probably more dry and lean than I have looked for a very long time! So, this tells me that the water is falling right off of me. This is probably from a couple different things. First, the test in my system is going down by the day, so the water retained from it is getting less and less....and also the FormaSurge I've been running to lower the water and estrogen further, especially considering the higher dose of Formestane I've been running (150mg). So now I am lowering the dose back down to a more normal dose of 4 pumps per day at 100mg Forma.

    Needless to say, at only 6 days on FormaSurge, I'm very pleased with the quick and impressive results from it so far!


    Did some LISS cardio this morning walking the treadmill for 60 minutes (3.5 MPH@10% incline) burning a total of 750 cals. This helped make me look dry and lean even further, and I'm strongly considering taking some pics this weekend, because of how pleased I am with how I look right now. I really need some beginning of PCT pics anyways.

    Speaking of PCT, I decided to start PCT supplements today, instead of 2 days from now so I'm calling this day 1 of 30 for PCT. My last pin was a lower dose than normal, so my thinking is that my levels are probably down enough to the point that starting PCT now makes perfect sense. A couple days really wouldn't make a difference either way, but anyways I started today!
    good stuff, rick. didn't realize you were on day 6 of formasurge already!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by metroba View Post
    Looks like a great start to a PCT. It pleases me when I see PCT done properly. I bet you'll keep gaining.
    Exactly. So many people half-ass PCT. (speaking of half-assing, is half-assing something better or worse than full-assing something? I mean we should be striving to no-ass things right?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwa254

    Exactly. So many people half-ass PCT. (speaking of half-assing, is half-assing something better or worse than full-assing something? I mean we should be striving to no-ass things right?)
    What about hauling ass?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    What about hauling ass?
    Got a big cargo of ass coming in I need you to haul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver
    Heading there Doug!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Dosed FormaSurge at 4 pumps (2 pumpsx2)

    Well, I was surprised to wake up today and look lean as hell, and a scale weight that was about a half pound less than yesterday, despite the HUGE amount of carbs I had yesterday. I do look very full from the carb up, but just very very dry and lean this morning. Probably more dry and lean than I have looked for a very long time! So, this tells me that the water is falling right off of me. This is probably from a couple different things. First, the test in my system is going down by the day, so the water retained from it is getting less and less....and also the FormaSurge I've been running to lower the water and estrogen further, especially considering the higher dose of Formestane I've been running (150mg). So now I am lowering the dose back down to a more normal dose of 4 pumps per day at 100mg Forma.

    Needless to say, at only 6 days on FormaSurge, I'm very pleased with the quick and impressive results from it so far!


    Did some LISS cardio this morning walking the treadmill for 60 minutes (3.5 MPH@10% incline) burning a total of 750 cals. This helped make me look dry and lean even further, and I'm strongly considering taking some pics this weekend, because of how pleased I am with how I look right now. I really need some beginning of PCT pics anyways.

    Speaking of PCT, I decided to start PCT supplements today, instead of 2 days from now so I'm calling this day 1 of 30 for PCT. My last pin was a lower dose than normal, so my thinking is that my levels are probably down enough to the point that starting PCT now makes perfect sense. A couple days really wouldn't make a difference either way, but anyways I started today!
    How are your joints feeling on it Rick? I love how I react to Formestane I just can't take a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny

    How are your joints feeling on it Rick? I love how I react to Formestane I just can't take a lot.
    So far, my joints feel great. It will be interesting to see if that continues through the next few weeks, but hopefully I can stay away from having any joint pain or issues
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    So far, my joints feel great. It will be interesting to see if that continues through the next few weeks, but hopefully I can stay away from having any joint pain or issues
    Here's to hoping for no joint pain!
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    PCT Day 4

    Weight: 174 (+9)

    Well, my weight has gone down more over the last couple days. I was 175 yesterday, and 174 this morning. I have mixed emotions about it, but it is expected I guess. I just hope my weight doesn't fall anymore, as I'd like to level off at this weight of 174-175. So, hopefully the water is pretty much gone and there will be no more weight loss. To help things, I'm increasing cals more and not really having any "burn" days right now. I still may do some cardio of just walking on my normal burn days, but the cals will be at maintenance or slightly above for now. Today is a burn day normally but im doing no cardio, and eating quite a bit more.

    I'm probably letting it bother me much more than I should, since my normal weight at the end of cycle was around 177, and I'm only 3 lbs less. With losing water and glycogen, I should expect to be this weight or maybe even a little less, though I hope I don't. At any rate, I'm hoping recovery will be quick and as smooth as can be.

    I'm very curious to see where my test levels are with bloodwork here in a few weeks. I'm getting very close to 40, and I have to accept the possibility that TRT could be a better option for me. I already have all the kids I'm going to, so it wouldn't break my heart to go that route. It would certainly make cycling a thing of the past, and would be more blast and cruise from there. I still want to delay it as long as ppossible if my natty levels can do the job. I want to use what god gave me as long as I'm able!

    Some good news is that my strength is still through the roof, and I've at the least maintained all lifts, and even progressed a rep or so on some. I know this will get a little harder as time goes on, but for now I'm still pushing through the workouts well, and yesterday's workout shows it. It's more evidence that the weight that I have lost is all water and glycogen to this point

    As far as FormaSurge, it has done well to keep libido up, keep me lean and dry, and give me the push in the gym that I need while my natty levels are tanked. Everything that I have expected has been delivered thus far

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    As far as FormaSurge, it has done well to keep libido up, keep me lean and dry, and give me the push in the gym that I need while my natty levels are tanked. Everything that I have expected has been delivered thus far
    Glad you've enjoyed the forma!

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    i hear you rick, i am down 3lbs since starting formasurge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwa254

    Glad you've enjoyed the forma!

    Don't stress too much about that weight loss, it's more than likely just water/glycogen.
    Yeh, I know that is what the weight is...but it still sucks to see the scale go down


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    i hear you rick, i am down 3lbs since starting formasurge.
    Yeh that's right where I am also. On a positive note, I look damn lean right now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Yeh, I know that is what the weight is...but it still sucks to see the scale go down
    I feel you man, I feel you, haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Yeh, I know that is what the weight is...but it still sucks to see the scale go down




    Yeh that's right where I am also. On a positive note, I look damn lean right now!
    I would love to drop down some pounds and be lean, trust me size is all good and well but being leaner makes you look a lot bigger as you know. 225 and over 14% is great, I would be happy with 210 and under 10% . Forma sounds awesome, I can't wait to get my hands on some! A rep and I can't even get any!!!!
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    Yah I imagine you are just drying up Rick no need for concern ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    I would love to drop down some pounds and be lean, trust me size is all good and well but being leaner makes you look a lot bigger as you know. 225 and over 14% is great, I would be happy with 210 and under 10% . Forma sounds awesome, I can't wait to get my hands on some! A rep and I can't even get any!!!!
    Yeh bro, being lean is my gig for sure. It's also the reason that Forma is one of my favorite products. Being lean is one thing, but being dry is another. You can be under 8% and bloated a little and the guy that is a dry 10% will look leaner. Extra water can wash out and blur definition so much. Luckily Forma takes care of that, even with eating extra and having more carbs!

    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Yah I imagine you are just drying up Rick no need for concern ....

    Thats exactly what it was Doug! All my fullness, measurements, and lifts are all the same as on cycle...so the weight I have lost is a good thing!
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    FormaSurge is continuing to impress me each day. I have stuck to the 4 pumps per day dose doing 2 pumps in the AM and another 2 pumps in the evening. It has done incredible for me on keeping me lean and dry, despite increasing my cals quite a but in PCT, and adding carbs as well. I am pretty carb sensitive, and tend to bloat easy if I take in a decent amount of carbs, so it says a lot on how powerful and effective FormaSurge is at keeping the bloat and water weight off of you during this time!

    My libido is still very high, and really hasn't changed from what it was on cycle, so that is another big bonus. I've been dosing the AformaSurge preworkout, which has also seemed to add to my energy and motivation in the gym. That is a very good thing, because sometimes PCT can be hard to find those things when your test levels are down. My strength and performance in the gym, as well as my size and fullness has been excellent. All measurements are still the same as they were on cycle. SO far, SO GOOD!!!

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    Yah I am talking no libido hit whatsoever as a matter of fact I don't feel any kind of side....or shutdown.. I guess it's cuz in a way a tapered at the end when I stopped the EPI 3 weeks before the Epi-V...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    FormaSurge is continuing to impress me each day. I have stuck to the 4 pumps per day dose doing 2 pumps in the AM and another 2 pumps in the evening. It has done incredible for me on keeping me lean and dry, despite increasing my cals quite a but in PCT, and adding carbs as well. I am pretty carb sensitive, and tend to bloat easy if I take in a decent amount of carbs, so it says a lot on how powerful and effective FormaSurge is at keeping the bloat and water weight off of you during this time!

    My libido is still very high, and really hasn't changed from what it was on cycle, so that is another big bonus. I've been dosing the AformaSurge preworkout, which has also seemed to add to my energy and motivation in the gym. That is a very good thing, because sometimes PCT can be hard to find those things when your test levels are down. My strength and performance in the gym, as well as my size and fullness has been excellent. All measurements are still the same as they were on cycle. SO far, SO GOOD!!!

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    to me formasurge seems very potent...really reminds me of e-form, the product that got me crazy about formestane!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    FormaSurge is continuing to impress me each day. I have stuck to the 4 pumps per day dose doing 2 pumps in the AM and another 2 pumps in the evening. It has done incredible for me on keeping me lean and dry, despite increasing my cals quite a but in PCT, and adding carbs as well. I am pretty carb sensitive, and tend to bloat easy if I take in a decent amount of carbs, so it says a lot on how powerful and effective FormaSurge is at keeping the bloat and water weight off of you during this time!

    My libido is still very high, and really hasn't changed from what it was on cycle, so that is another big bonus. I've been dosing the AformaSurge preworkout, which has also seemed to add to my energy and motivation in the gym. That is a very good thing, because sometimes PCT can be hard to find those things when your test levels are down. My strength and performance in the gym, as well as my size and fullness has been excellent. All measurements are still the same as they were on cycle. SO far, SO GOOD!!!

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    Serious workout Rick, I like the setup a lot. I assume you are taking something preworkout besides just formasurge, right? I know PCT does suck, after a few that went ok and the last one where I just was unbearable to be around, I decided to just blast and cruise (low dose compared to many), life is much better now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    FormaSurge is continuing to impress me each day. I have stuck to the 4 pumps per day dose doing 2 pumps in the AM and another 2 pumps in the evening. It has done incredible for me on keeping me lean and dry, despite increasing my cals quite a but in PCT, and adding carbs as well. I am pretty carb sensitive, and tend to bloat easy if I take in a decent amount of carbs, so it says a lot on how powerful and effective FormaSurge is at keeping the bloat and water weight off of you during this time!

    My libido is still very high, and really hasn't changed from what it was on cycle, so that is another big bonus. I've been dosing the AformaSurge preworkout, which has also seemed to add to my energy and motivation in the gym. That is a very good thing, because sometimes PCT can be hard to find those things when your test levels are down. My strength and performance in the gym, as well as my size and fullness has been excellent. All measurements are still the same as they were on cycle. SO far, SO GOOD!!!

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    245x20 (widowmaker)

    Man I love the look of these DC workouts, Definitely going to switch to DC for my bulk in October, pretty sure..
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Yah I am talking no libido hit whatsoever as a matter of fact I don't feel any kind of side....or shutdown.. I guess it's cuz in a way a tapered at the end when I stopped the EPI 3 weeks before the Epi-V...
    Yeh, but at least in my experience, PCT is usually pretty easy until that 2nd and 3rd week. That's when the real battle begins....at least for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    to me formasurge seems very potent...really reminds me of e-form, the product that got me crazy about formestane!!!
    Ive been very pleased with it thus far. It does seem to be dosed well, and very strong stuff!

    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Serious workout Rick, I like the setup a lot. I assume you are taking something preworkout besides just formasurge, right? I know PCT does suck, after a few that went ok and the last one where I just was unbearable to be around, I decided to just blast and cruise (low dose compared to many), life is much better now.
    Man, I really am contemplating doing that myself. I know I would enjoy that so much more with no more PCT and having to deal with the roller coaster. After PCT is done when I get bloodwork, if my test levels are low, I'm going that route without question

    Quote Originally Posted by masonmarin18 View Post
    Man I love the look of these DC workouts, Definitely going to switch to DC for my bulk in October, pretty sure..
    I love it man. DC is the shyt!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwa254 View Post
    I really need to give DC a shot. I keep hearing about its greatness
    Yah I find that it works for some of the younger guys, didn't do a lot for me, my ex-trainer said it was cuz I had a lot of mature muscle and wouldn't respond to the low volume...
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    Yah Rick Second week for sure I think we are still feeling the cycle a week in...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver

    Yah I find that it works for some of the younger guys, didn't do a lot for me, my ex-trainer said it was cuz I had a lot of mature muscle and wouldn't respond to the low volume...
    I know a lot of older and very successful bodybuilders that live by DC, but yeh everyone is different. Its all about what works best for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver
    Yah Rick Second week for sure I think we are still feeling the cycle a week in...
    For sure....I'm still very happy with how things have went so far. Its been almost 3 weeks since my last injection, and i m still progressing. Today's workout is a perfect example. Ostarine may have a hand in there as well, but regardless it was an awesome gym session. I will update with details later
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    Rick, could we get your full PCT plan, i saw your other thread but i was wondering about dosages, scheduling.... Especially the ostarine..
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    For sure....I'm still very happy with how things have went so far. Its been almost 3 weeks since my last injection, and i m still progressing. Today's workout is a perfect example. Ostarine may have a hand in there as well, but regardless it was an awesome gym session. I will update with details later
    I have the better part of 3 bottles of Ostarine Rx in my cupboard saving it for bridge... I wll keep all the Finaflex products going for a while also...going to be a good bridge this time I think....
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    Quote Originally Posted by huggy77 View Post
    Rick, could we get your full PCT plan, i saw your other thread but i was wondering about dosages, scheduling.... Especially the ostarine..
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    ostarine-25mg per day (dosed in morning on empty stomach)

    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    I have the better part of 3 bottles of Ostarine Rx in my cupboard saving it for bridge... I wll keep all the Finaflex products going for a while also...going to be a good bridge this time I think....
    Sounds like a good plan Doug!
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    Here is my workout from yesterday and it was the bet one I've had yet, since being on cycle. I cut ally still felt like I was still on! I'm sure that Formasurge has a big hand in the great feeling and performance I got in my workout. I progressed on every exercise, so I'm actually STRONGER right now than I was on cycle! I don't know if this will continue, but I will do my best to hold this strength at the least, but I plan to try and push to keep getting more gains through this PCT!!!

    since starting PCT I have increased cals quite a bit into more of a lean bulk approach while recovering. Despite doing that, Formasurge has kept me very dry and lean throughout it...even with all those extra carbs. I've stayed bloat free, and ripped while eating a significant amount more...can't argue with that! I'm holding my size very well right now through PCT, and look dry and shredded. I took some pics that I will be posting up soon

    Now it's about time to go give FormaSurge a libido check!

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