COMPOUND 20 SOLO Log - Clemenza

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  1. Day 11:

    I was still a little shot today from my back and chest days. Did arms this morning and although somewhat fatigued, still had a good workout.

    I'm definitely looking leaner and my muscles look much harder. It's hard to explain.

    Usually this time of year while I am going lower carb, I am glycogen depleted so usually somewhat flat. But right now, I am glycogen depleted but I have a density to my muscles that is usually not there. I have a pump, but it is not a carb pump.

    I just got back from dinner and had a much deserved cheat meal. Chicken fajitas and a few margaritas. 20mg Vanadyl Sulfate and 400mg chromium polynicotate and I should be pretty dry tomorrow.

    Shoulders tomorrow morning. Then going to the Yankee game with my girl, sister and her boyfriend. The $9 Bud Light's should keep me sticking with water and peanuts all game.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post
    Only been on AM a few times (I am one of those bb.com bums ). I have some C20 I picked up with the Erase Pro combo to use later this summer, was searching around and saw this log. Once I saw that loser Neddo posting, but more importantly the GDA (used SS for a while and using SLINTropin now with great success) and protein talk, I figured it was time to sign up here and subscribe to a log. So congrats Clemenza, you have popped my AM cherry... Also figured this appears to be where the banned bb.com guys go, so odds are at some point I will be making my way here anyhow lol

    EDIT - fyi, no clue what to expect with C20, I simply got it because I was interested in Erase Pro and the pricepoint on the combo made sense versus buying solo. Only ever used Super Cissus, so no love or hate for USPLabs (yet I guess)!!!

    I know, I know, strong 1st post...
    Watch it, this old guy loves the older ladies (ie, grandmas). Repeat offender.

    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    yea im not seeing anything on VS and system a amino acid transport still... i tried searching Vanadium and mTOR, but came up short of what i was lookging for.

    ill continue to search, but still nothing has detered me from its use. It works incredibly well.
    Again, I appreciate your time to go through the journals on your own time. I'd like to say I'll have time next week, but now my computer is having troubles (send me a sample from your company, dbone ) so that's another bone to pick.
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  3. Good to see you're starting to lean out. Have you had any changes in vascularity?
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by breezy11
    Good to see you're starting to lean out. Have you had any changes in vascularity?
    Yea I was wondering this also. Breezy and I both noticed huge changes in vascularity. All tho we both leaned out quite a bit and it goes hand in hand.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc

    Hey man,

    Glad you are interested. I created this product soley for the using in diabetics, but in doing so i found theres much use for these mechanisms in this industry. Ill certainly take you through my reasonings of why i chose what i chose.

    All the ingrients i use are related to increasing glucose uptake via multiple pathways that interact with glut4 translocation. *AMPk activation, PI3k (insulin pathway), PPARa agonizing*

    These all work together very well the problem with it is it is not very selective. But with the addition of things like berberine, Corosolic acid, ect it decreases Akt somewhat to reduce adipogenesis. This is good because once fat cells multiply you cant really get rid of them, but you can shrink them. That what the PPARy antagonists/partial agonist, Akt inhibition, and ACL inhibition is there to aid in.

    So by adding the others *ppary antagonist, ACL inhibition, Akt inhibition* you can reduce the uptake some what in adipose cells, but not completely. so this is why together it created something pretty nice

    As far as the pumps. I find GDAs to be best used either with an intraworkout shake, like one USP labs described as the mass monster, i believe, or taken pre meal then waiting about 2 hours before hitting the gym. Thats when i find the pumps most pronounce

    Heres the write up

    Check the sources and read through the spots you find interesting.

    Back to compound 20, i hear good things. i like your logs. Very thorough
    What's this mass monster drink?
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  6. Day 12:

    Had a very good shoulder workout this morning. My neck and upper back are starting to nag me to the point where I need to be careful. I actually just ordered two bottles of Super Cissus just to play it safe. No way I'm going to let myself get hurt and out of the gym at this point. Have used Primaforce Cissus years ago but not consistant with it. Heard great things about Super Cissus so thought I'd try it out.

    Strength is up, although rather than going heavier today I just busted out more reps to play it safe.

    Vascularity in my forearms is actually ridiculous right now. Still need to drop more bodyfat to notice it in other places.

    Every day I feel leaner and tighter. My abs are coming in and love handles definitely slimming down. I always notice this during my cut, but it is happening much much quicker. I'm also filling out quickly even though somewhat glycogen depleted.

    I also am noticing an all day pump. Again, not a glycogen pump, but different. I'm actually really enjoying it.

    Went to the Yankee game today and cheated for the second day in a row. I had a couple beers (Michelob Ultra, not bad) but ate like a maniac. Then over to my girl's mom's house to see her for mom's day and ate like a monster again.

    You ever have one of those nights at the bar where you're so ****faced, and the next day you wake up and don't even want to look at your receipt from the bar? That's how I feel today in regards to what I ate. I don't even want to put it all together and estimate the calories.

    I do have a very nice pump right now and I'm looking bigger from all the food. We'll see how I wake up tomorrow.


    Tomorrow's a cardio day, and hopefully low carb. I'm going to my parents' house for a mother's day bbq and I'll be eating on point with my diet so no worries there.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by breezy11 View Post
    Good to see you're starting to lean out. Have you had any changes in vascularity?
    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift View Post
    Yea I was wondering this also. Breezy and I both noticed huge changes in vascularity. All tho we both leaned out quite a bit and it goes hand in hand.

    Yes I am, especially in my forearms. And slightly in my biceps. Bodyfat has to come down some more to notice it in other places.

    I'm definitely looking more chisseled. The love handles are slimming down and I'm looking more muscular. Usually at this point in my cut, since I'm doing low carb, I'd usually be flat. But right now my muscles are tight and hard and I'm losing fat at a faster pace.

    I can actually say right now I do believe the Compound 20 is working. I hope these gains continue and progressively get even better.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post
    Only been on AM a few times (I am one of those bb.com bums ). I have some C20 I picked up with the Erase Pro combo to use later this summer, was searching around and saw this log. Once I saw that loser Neddo posting, but more importantly the GDA (used SS for a while and using SLINTropin now with great success) and protein talk, I figured it was time to sign up here and subscribe to a log. So congrats Clemenza, you have popped my AM cherry... Also figured this appears to be where the banned bb.com guys go, so odds are at some point I will be making my way here anyhow lol

    EDIT - fyi, no clue what to expect with C20, I simply got it because I was interested in Erase Pro and the pricepoint on the combo made sense versus buying solo. Only ever used Super Cissus, so no love or hate for USPLabs (yet I guess)!!!

    I know, I know, strong 1st post...
    Good to have you on board bro. From what I've heard the Erase Pro / Compound 20 is the real deal. I'd like to see how you respond to it.

    Yeah, BB.com is not what it used to be. I made the jump recently as well.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    I dont believe it applies to the vanadyl sulphate or free form vanadium. All things shown are from sodium orthovanadate and pervandate.

    There is nothing regarding vanadium/vanadyl sulphate on system A amino acid transport.

    ill continue to look however nothing i found stated it. There are differences in organic salts with vanadium as there is with different Carnitines.
    Quote Originally Posted by neddo View Post
    I'll defer the first question to EBF VVV. I've just completed science of nutrition and exercise, but I'm returning to complete the dietetics requirements as well. Fwiw, my metabolic 2 professor was a fuarking twat who was a prior genetics professor -- this was the first semester she's taught metabolic 2 (vitamins/minerals). Powerpoints were a joke, and her questions were beyond ambiguous.



    It was sodium orthovanadate I believe. I don't have time to devote to this, so I'm glad you're investigating it further -- I appreciate it.


    Also @ Clem, glad to hear your results thus far.
    I did see a study on rats using VS which increased transport of GLUT4 to muscle, I believe. Are you familiar with this or something similar to it?

  10. The log is coming on nicely. Let's see how things unfold. Thank you, by the way, for running this log.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post

    Went to the Yankee game today and cheated for the second day in a row. I had a couple beers (Michelob Ultra, not bad) but ate like a maniac. Then over to my girl's mom's house to see her for mom's day and ate like a monster again.

    You ever have one of those nights at the bar where you're so ****faced, and the next day you wake up and don't even want to look at your receipt from the bar? That's how I feel today in regards to what I ate. I don't even want to put it all together and estimate the calories.

    I do have a very nice pump right now and I'm looking bigger from all the food. We'll see how I wake up tomorrow.
    Lol'd consistently. You're not a Yanks fan though, I'm hoping... although I don't know if I'd rather you say you're a Mariner fan either haha.

    Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post
    I did see a study on rats using VS which increased transport of GLUT4 to muscle, I believe. Are you familiar with this or something similar to it?
    Yes, it has a pharmacological role when dosed higher than naturally found and I believe GLUT4 translocation is the culprit.

    Glad to hear the C20 is possibly working, to some degree.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post
    I did see a study on rats using VS which increased transport of GLUT4 to muscle, I believe. Are you familiar with this or something similar to it?
    glut4 is a glucose transporter, mainly glucose uptake, but its the PI3k pathway that plays its role in the amino acid uptake and other synthesis like glycogen

    pi3k -> akt-> glut 4

    akt goes to glycogen and protein synthesis as well

  13. Day 13:

    Woke up and did a fasted cardio session. I biked 10 miles and did about 5 of those miles HIIT, with 3 scoops Modern BCAA.

    Calories were way up again today. Went to my parents' house for Mother's day BBQ. Diet got a bit out of hand this weekend. But nothing a little extra cardio and clean eating can't fix this coming week.

    I'm almost two weeks into C20, and seeing some results thus far. Hoping to see the C20 really start kicking into gear this week.

    Back/Legs tomorrow morning at 5AM, then a 14 hour work day. Ain't nothin' but a peanut!

  14. Quote Originally Posted by neddo View Post
    Lol'd consistently. You're not a Yanks fan though, I'm hoping... although I don't know if I'd rather you say you're a Mariner fan either haha.



    Yes, it has a pharmacological role when dosed higher than naturally found and I believe GLUT4 translocation is the culprit.

    Glad to hear the C20 is possibly working, to some degree.
    Yeah man big Yankee fan. It's inherently in my blood. Although I'm not going to lie, I'm not thrilled with a lot of what they've done the passed few years... knocking down the old stadium, resigned ARod to such a gross contract, ****ting all over Posada last year, benching Gardner vs. lefties, Girardi's micromanaging, etc. etc. etc.

    I find myself starting to root for Texas and some of the lower salary teams with good young talent like Tampa Bay.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post
    Yeah man big Yankee fan. It's inherently in my blood. Although I'm not going to lie, I'm not thrilled with a lot of what they've done the passed few years... knocking down the old stadium, resigned ARod to such a gross contract, ****ting all over Posada last year, benching Gardner vs. lefties, Girardi's micromanaging, etc. etc. etc.

    I find myself starting to root for Texas and some of the lower salary teams with good young talent like Tampa Bay.
    I really miss the old one...but have you been to the new one yet? Once your in, although the feeling changed (not the same turn the legends played on), that thing is an absolute paradise.

    Girardi is the closest thing to being gay without being gay (unless he is, lol) If it wasnt for baseball I can picture him as a hair stylist for a fashion designer.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    I really miss the old one...but have you been to the new one yet? Once your in, although the feeling changed (not the same turn the legends played on), that thing is an absolute paradise.

    Girardi is the closest thing to being gay without being gay (unless he is, lol) If it wasnt for baseball I can picture him as a hair stylist for a fashion designer.

    HAHAHA!!

    Yeah man I was at the new one Saturday. Been there a bunch of times. It really is beautiful. But it's just not the same as the old one. The old one was like a museum. Knocking it down was a sin. When the old one packed out and everyone was in their seats and someone would homer in a big spot or in a playoff game, you'd feel the stadium shaking. Sacred ground.

    LOL@ Girardi. Honestly I really like Girardi. I'm rooting for him, I like him as a person and a player. Hard nosed, jacked, doesn't let the players eat garbage in the club house... but I don't like his over managing. Righty-lefty, lefty-righty, changing the line up every day, giving guys half days off. It's fricken annoying, just let the guys play.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post
    HAHAHA!!

    Yeah man I was at the new one Saturday. Been there a bunch of times. It really is beautiful. But it's just not the same as the old one. The old one was like a museum. Knocking it down was a sin. When the old one packed out and everyone was in their seats and someone would homer in a big spot or in a playoff game, you'd feel the stadium shaking. Sacred ground.

    LOL@ Girardi. Honestly I really like Girardi. I'm rooting for him, I like him as a person and a player. Hard nosed, jacked, doesn't let the players eat garbage in the club house... but I don't like his over managing. Righty-lefty, lefty-righty, changing the line up every day, giving guys half days off. It's fricken annoying, just let the guys play.
    Dont get me wrong, I do like Girardi he is a good manager. Sometimes he just acts so girly when he talks, and his micro managing is annoying.

    Look what micro managing did for phil hughes and joba chamberlan? Its hilarious.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Dont get me wrong, I do like Girardi he is a good manager. Sometimes he just acts so girly when he talks, and his micro managing is annoying.

    Look what micro managing did for phil hughes and joba chamberlan? Its hilarious.
    Great point!! They baby these young pitchers with these ridiculous pitch counts.

  19. Day 14:

    Woke up 4:15 am, got to the gym at 5:00.

    Had a solid back workout. Endurance and strength were very good for an early am lift. Vascularity in my firearms has been intense.

    Diet was good today. 250g protein and kept carbs to 140g.

    Was really bloated today from all the crap food I ate this weekend.

    Still feeling hard.

    Chest and Cardio tomorrow afternoon.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by dbone1026
    Only been on AM a few times (I am one of those bb.com bums ). I have some C20 I picked up with the Erase Pro combo to use later this summer, was searching around and saw this log. Once I saw that loser Neddo posting, but more importantly the GDA (used SS for a while and using SLINTropin now with great success) and protein talk, I figured it was time to sign up here and subscribe to a log. So congrats Clemenza, you have popped my AM cherry... Also figured this appears to be where the banned bb.com guys go, so odds are at some point I will be making my way here anyhow lol

    EDIT - fyi, no clue what to expect with C20, I simply got it because I was interested in Erase Pro and the pricepoint on the combo made sense versus buying solo. Only ever used Super Cissus, so no love or hate for USPLabs (yet I guess)!!!

    I know, I know, strong 1st post...
    Nice to have you here man. I lurked on some of ur Bioforge logs at bb.com... I picked some up needless to say lol
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  21. Day 15:

    Today is the half way point of my 30 day Compound 20 cycle.

    I weighed in this morning at 187.5 lbs. So I've dropped about 5 pounds in the past week, and about 7 pounds in the past two weeks.. I will do my BF% at the end of this log, which will really tell me where I'm at. Right now, I do feel as if I've lost fat, while my muscles have felt tighter and more full. Somewhat of a recomping effect.

    I'm still trying to shed some water/bloat from the crap food I ate this weekend, so I'm eating very clean and lower on the carbs the past two days.

    Today's Meals...

    1) Dymatize Elite / 8 oz. OJ / 2 Slices Ezekial Bread (40g P / 60g C) (2 caps Compound 20)
    2) 5 Eggs (35g P / 25g F)
    3) 5 Eggs (35g P / 25g F)
    4) Dymatize Elite / Watermellon (25g P / 30g C) (Pre Workout) (2 caps Compound 20)
    5) Gatorade Powder / 15g BCAA / 10g Glutamine Peptides (20g C) (Intra Workout)
    6) Dymatize Elite / Mixed Granola w/Sugar (50g P / 60g C) (Post Workout)
    7) 6 oz. Turkey Burger / 1/2 cup Brown Rice / 1 cup Green Beans (40g P / 60g C / 8g F)
    8) 6 oz. Turkey Burger / 1/2 cup Brown Rice / 1 cup Green Beans (40g P / 60g C / 8g F)

    Totals: 265g P / 290g C / 66g F = 2814 kcal


    Abs/Chest/Legs:

    Crunches/Planks

    Incline DB Press- 160x15 / 200x12 / 200x10
    BB Flat Bench- 225x10 / 275x6 / 275x4
    Cable Flies - 3xReps

    BB Squat - 225 3x10
    Reverse Leg Curl -110 3x10
    Seated Calf Raise - 70 3xReps

    20 Minutes Stair Master

    Back and neck felt good today. But endurance and strength wasn't really there. Still ended up with a good workout though.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza
    Day 15:

    Today is the half way point of my 30 day Compound 20 cycle.

    I weighed in this morning at 187.5 lbs. So I've dropped about 5 pounds in the past week, and about 7 pounds in the past two weeks.. I will do my BF% at the end of this log, which will really tell me where I'm at. Right now, I do feel as if I've lost fat, while my muscles have felt tighter and more full. Somewhat of a recomping effect.

    I'm still trying to shed some water/bloat from the crap food I ate this weekend, so I'm eating very clean and lower on the carbs the past two days.

    Today's Meals...

    1) Dymatize Elite / 8 oz. OJ / 2 Slices Ezekial Bread (40g P / 60g C) (2 caps Compound 20)
    2) 5 Eggs (35g P / 25g F)
    3) 5 Eggs (35g P / 25g F)
    4) Dymatize Elite / Watermellon (25g P / 30g C) (Pre Workout) (2 caps Compound 20)
    5) Gatorade Powder / 15g BCAA / 10g Glutamine Peptides (20g C) (Intra Workout)
    6) Dymatize Elite / Mixed Granola w/Sugar (50g P / 60g C) (Post Workout)
    7) 6 oz. Turkey Burger / 1/2 cup Brown Rice / 1 cup Green Beans (40g P / 60g C / 8g F)
    8) 6 oz. Turkey Burger / 1/2 cup Brown Rice / 1 cup Green Beans (40g P / 60g C / 8g F)

    Totals: 265g P / 290g C / 66g F = 2814 kcal

    Abs/Chest/Legs:

    Crunches/Planks

    Incline DB Press- 160x15 / 200x12 / 200x10
    BB Flat Bench- 225x10 / 275x6 / 275x4
    Cable Flies - 3xReps

    BB Squat - 225 3x10
    Reverse Leg Curl -110 3x10
    Seated Calf Raise - 70 3xReps

    20 Minutes Stair Master

    Back and neck felt good today. But endurance and strength wasn't really there. Still ended up with a good workout though.
    Glad you're still up and at it brother!!
    Hopefully ill get to log tonight, sh!ts been rough lately

  23. Day 16:

    Cardio only day. Off from the weights.

    Hit 5 miles on my bike for 25 minutes.

    Protein at 200g and Carbs at 120g. Fat was up around 100g.

    Finally losing the bloat from the weekend.

    Weighed in this morning at 189 lbs. Up a pound and a half from yesterday. Which is weird because I'm holding less water. Not going to look too much into it.

    Arms tomorrow. Expecting some very good pumps and strength tomorrow.

    Got my Super Cissus today. Took two caps with dinner tonight. Upper back, neck, knee, elbow, and wrist are all acting up. Unbelievable. I'm 27, I can't imagine how I'm going to feel at 40+.

    Also ordered a bottle of OG E-Pharm AMP and got it with my Cissus today. Absolutely used to LOVE this stuff, brings back memories. Definitely the best DMAA product I've used. Maybe I'll throw down a two caps pre workout tomorrow for a little fun.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by rome32 View Post
    Glad you're still up and at it brother!!
    Hopefully ill get to log tonight, sh!ts been rough lately
    Thanks Rome. Been following your log too. Hope things start looking on the up and up for you my man.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza

    Thanks Rome. Been following your log too. Hope things start looking on the up and up for you my man.
    I think I found myself again man.

    I'm gonna ride the Anger-Train and see where it takes me. Ha
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